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  • Behaviour of Irreducible Particles
    Maybe a plain answer to emergent complexity besides irreducible stuff is quantity. The more of set of a particles space the more relational aspects there are. There is a certain level of material order (differentiation) which is progressing to a new state and this is nothing but fundamental properties sorting themselves out. If you didn't have enough of them their effects would be different at different levels of description (probably).

    There is a new untested theory at the level of physics that might help explain the origins of the evolutionary process, which states that matter can adaptively dissipate heat by changing its orientation (properties) in certain stable context (with an energy source). New orientations bring on new configurations of matter and the process builds on itself until you've got a Darwinian process.
  • Unpacking Anthropomorphism
    Anthropomorphizing one's car, one's computer, or one's force of robots is common, but mistaken.Bitter Crank

    You make it sound as if these folks are actually mistaking their car, computer or robots for actual anthropoid-like beings in the moment. I guess when you are watching a film about human-like light shadows you're also mistaken and that folks usually aren't aware that they are.

    Perhaps we anthropomorphize other humans, which are really just soulless meat robots.
  • Behaviour of Irreducible Particles
    Maybe the conceptual scheme (analogy of parts) is somewhat irrelevant to the physics of these particles. They say particles can also be characterized as waves. Maybe the quantum (particle) part is essential to quantifying the phenomena but doesn't really extend to the conceptual reality by which we apprehend everyday life.

    19th century physics had to come to terms with the idea of waves without medium, which is not intuitive.
  • Behaviour of Irreducible Particles
    Wouldn't the component parts of a subatomic particle be the context of interaction (other things) through which it becomes significant or a knowable thing. The concept of thing doesn't likely approximate the thing itself either, as it reduces it incredibly, or is liable to features of an analogy which are just plain useless.

    Everything is potentially attached to everything else, even if the level of connection is insignificant to what is worth knowing about or being observed.

    But this is probably just armchair malarky on my part.

    Also is the irreduicibility of these particles absolute or just a matter of our own limitation (relative to us and the mathematical/conceptual tools by which we apprehend it).
  • Unpacking Anthropomorphism
    There is a bit on the wikipedia page about the pathetic fallacy which might help.

    In science, the term "pathetic fallacy" is used in a pejorative way in order to discourage the kind of figurative speech in descriptions that might not be strictly accurate and clear, and that might communicate a false impression of a natural phenomenon. An example is the metaphorical phrase "Nature abhors a vacuum", which contains the suggestion that nature is capable of abhorring something. There are more accurate and scientific ways to describe nature and vacuums.

    Another example of a pathetic fallacy is the expression, "Air hates to be crowded, and, when compressed, it will try to escape to an area of lower pressure." It is not accurate to suggest that air "hates" anything or "tries" to do anything. One way to express the ideas that underlie that phrase in a more scientific manner can be found and described in the kinetic theory of gases: effusion or movement towards lower pressure occurs because unobstructed gas molecules will become more evenly distributed between high- and low-pressure zones, by a flow from the former to the latter.[13][14][15]
    — wikipedia: pathetic fallacy: science

    Literal readers might get hung up on the a kind of language which might be considered overtly figurative (full of metaphor and simile) if the particular expressions aren't so widely accepted. These two examples in wikipedia could be cases of anthropomorphism if only humans can "abhor" or "hate" something.
  • Overcoming Anthropomorphism
    Part of the problem is that human language is inherently anthropomorphic and anthropocentric.prothero

    Yes, it would seem the OP is full of contradiction because of this (anthropomorphic, figurative, general and unclear language). As a result I don't really understand what BrianW is rambling about.

    It could just as well be about the supposed pitfalls of unyielding ideology of theoretical certainty or a way of doing things.

    Anthropomorphism is rather harmless if we aren't taking ourselves so seriously and claim it as unassailable truth (like some theists do). Since we are for the most part social creatures we enjoy the presence of other human beings (and all their qualities and features which might give us the illusion of comforting presence).
  • Overcoming Anthropomorphism
    Given that folks here would aspire to scientific modes of querying reality, that the value of rational thinking is assumed out of the gate, isn't the default tendency of the modern age to overcome anthropomorphism, or at least be able to recognize its (ir)relevance to whatever is at issue?

    I sense some strange irony in the OP, as if instead of overcoming anthropomorphism you're secretly desiring to argue the opposite. Is the topic geared toward theists?

    Edit: Maybe anthropocentrism (human exclusivity) is a better term for your purposes.
  • On Nostalgia
    Nostalgia is interesting in relation to cultural or religious myth, or the way myth (cosmogonies) possibly functioned for peoples prior to our scientific age. The communal attachment to what was once a functional fantasy, facilitating life. It seems that fundamental myths constitute a homeland of some sort, an ideal or cache of beliefs and processes to venerate. Makes me want to read Mircea Eliade.

    "In our day, when historical pressure no longer allows any escape, how can man tolerate the catastrophes and horrors of history—from collective deportations and massacres to atomic bombings—if beyond them he can glimpse no sign, no transhistorical meaning; if they are only the blind play of economic, social, or political forces, or, even worse, only the result of the 'liberties' that a minority takes and exercises directly on the stage of universal history?

    "We know how, in the past, humanity has been able to endure the sufferings we have enumerated: they were regarded as a punishment inflicted by God, the syndrome of the decline of the 'age,' and so on. And it was possible to accept them precisely because they had a metahistorical meaning [...] Every war rehearsed the struggle between good and evil, every fresh social injustice was identified with the sufferings of the Saviour (or, for example, in the pre-Christian world, with the passion of a divine messenger or vegetation god), each new massacre repeated the glorious end of the martyrs. [...] By virtue of this view, tens of millions of men were able, for century after century, to endure great historical pressures without despairing, without committing suicide or falling into that spiritual aridity that always brings with it a relativistic or nihilistic view of history"[24]
    — Mircea Eliade

    I think this is a real problem which resonates with me tremendously. Maybe nostalgia ( and personal fantasy) helps us to exist in this absurd and empty chaos some poor folks today find themselves in.
  • On Nostalgia
    So, after reading and watching a few things, nostalgia arises during times of transition, identity flux or liminality, which maybe associated with heightened stress, anxiety, general uncertainty. It is thought to be adaptive in the way it bolsters mood, provides sort of an anchor or distraction for moving forward toward building identity (making tough decisions).
  • On Nostalgia
    Eh, I was trying thinking of a weird scenario with set and setting and how that might influence subsequent experiences with a drug. How the memory interacts with the drug... I'm just in the weeds here though with its relevance to nostalgia. It's all horribly complex in the end anyway.

    Not sure have any direction to go with nostalgia but it is an interesting subject, especially with regards to human fantasy and fiction, even political ideals and national identities (forces behind the "American Dream" and it's good old days).
  • On Nostalgia


    Nah, you sound disinterested and hurried. I just thought that up for the post.

    Most humans have troubled minds, ceaseless desires, unending thoughts.
  • On Nostalgia
    Generally speaking, addicts miss the features of the drug that influence them. Such as heightened perception or increased productivity. The initial high isn't of import to the discussion.Posty McPostface

    Actually, I think the context of use (set and setting) may be of some relevance to the features of the drug and future expectations of experience. In a way, good memories are initial highs about which nostalgics reminisce. These are natural highs of course. But you are probably right with regard to real addictive substances, like heroine, methamphetamine, et cetera.

    I wonder about dark scenarios though, killing someone's partner or child in front of them and then giving them heroine. Does the initial experience determine whether they develop an addiction, or have an influence on the likelihood of addiction... Maybe the pain relief during such horror would be welcome.
  • On Nostalgia


    Eh, I'm sort of guessing. Might have to go read about nostalgia before I continue talking out my arse. Just read that drug tolerance is reversible but I wonder what addicts experience, from a more subjective take on first time use.

    Feelings of nostalgia must range from benignly pleasant (ex. watching my brother play super nintendo in the early 90s and sleeping under the Christmas tree) to full of heart ache (reminiscing about a deceased relative or partner).

    My notion of nostalgia always has a melancholy heartache element to it, missing the past, missing a non-existent home type of feeling, dead friends, et cetera. This is where the feeling is potent but it is not without a sort of pleasantness despite the ache (a happy sad mixture, sweet memories haunting the future).

    I think fantasy worlds can embody the same feeling tones that memories do, some might even build upon them, since everything is really built on what comes before. So in a way of course we feel nostalgia for the future (the future doesn't really exist except as reconstruction of the past).
  • On Nostalgia
    Nostalgia is possibly relatable to the kind of biographic progression of a human being, from youth to adulthood, from an experience of pristine novelty and carefree enthusiasm to the the toil in our working years, from a weak to stronger self-awareness/consciousness and the new suffering that might introduce. The biblical account of the fall (ousting from Eden) recapitulates this on a mythic level most probably. The once paradise to which one may conditionally return... Though for people with tough upbringings , I very much doubt nostalgia takes hold very strongly.

    CS Lewis sees nostalgia in the German Sehnsucht (yearning for the unobtainable), which the romantic motif of the Blue Rose came to signify.

    Two films which invoked a tremendous feeling of nostalgia/sehnsucht in me were:

    Into the Wild (story about Chris McCandless who is looking for something somewhere out there)
    Black Mirror's San Junipero (certainly a moving from future into the past into the future by desire)

    I think on a more fundamental biological level, nostalgia has a connection to the the loss of a sensitivity to novelty (domapinergic reward system stuff). Most types of recreational drugs for instance set up a first time expectation/reward which the user is always trying to return to but can never arrive to the ideal the first experience sets up.
  • On Nostalgia
    “In speaking of this desire for our own far off country, which we find in ourselves even now, I feel a certain shyness. I am almost committing an indecency. I am trying to rip open the inconsolable secret in each one of you—the secret which hurts so much that you take your revenge on it by calling it names like Nostalgia and Romanticism and Adolescence; the secret also which pierces with such sweetness that when, in very intimate conversation, the mention of it becomes imminent, we grow awkward and affect to laugh at ourselves; the secret we cannot hide and cannot tell, though we desire to do both. We cannot tell it because it is a desire for something that has never actually appeared in our experience. We cannot hide it because our experience is constantly suggesting it, and we betray ourselves like lovers at the mention of a name. Our commonest expedient is to call it beauty and behave as if that had settled the matter. Wordsworth’s expedient was to identify it with certain moments in his own past. But all this is a cheat. If Wordsworth had gone back to those moments in the past, he would not have found the thing itself, but only the reminder of it; what he remembered would turn out to be itself a remembering. The books or the music in which we thought the beauty was located will betray us if we trust to them; it was not in them, it only came through them, and what came through them was longing. These things—the beauty, the memory of our own past—are good images of what we really desire; but if they are mistaken for the thing itself they turn into dumb idols, breaking the hearts of their worshipers. For they are not the thing itself; they are only the scent of a flower we have not found, the echo of a tune we have not heard, news from a country we have never yet visited.”

    ― Excerpt From: The Weight of Glory
    — CS Lewis
  • On Misanthropy
    Damm. What makes you want to commit suicide?Posty McPostface

    Acid reflux, gastroparesis-like symptoms (food not passing out of stomach at normal rate) and insomnia, all going on for months, while having to do my job (light to moderate physical labor). I'm not sure there is much point to living if one can't sleep or eat enough.

    I'll check out Silexan. Usually find that supplements don't do much but I'll try anything.

    Yoga on the other hand is potent calming fix and mood regulator so far.
  • On Misanthropy
    Had suicidal panic at the beginning of this year. Have ongoing insomnia and my digestion is pretty poor, likely due to autoimmune problems. Thought about constructing a Debreather (single chamber carbon dioxide scrubber) as a sort of comfort that I'd have the option of a painless exit.

    Have taken up Yoga and I'm pretty amazed at how effective it is when I'm stressed out. Great way to focus attention on what you are doing rather than constructing narratives in head from an underlying mood. Heat shock effects are suppose to be great for mood to, so thinking hot yoga is next. Wish I had a sauna.
  • How do you feel about religion?
    God is a creature that promotes great and rigorous distinctions. What is good belongs to God and must be sorted from the bad in order to secure witnesses, courtiers and courtesans, mercenaries, representatives, lucre, prestige and all that other good stuff.
  • A Fantasy Dream World.
    Since the OP's theme is related to escaping suffering a Buddhist view on fantasy might be appropriate here.

    The three poisons of maya (ie. the phenomenal dreamlike realm of experience) are attachment, aversion and ignorance. Most of our perceptions and resulting actions are conditioned by these three things. We can supposedly work on ourselves to habituate a non-reactive and dispassionate attitude toward these sources responsible for our faulty, fantastic and unnecessary perceptions. This somehow frees us up a bit in the causal playground of life and alleviates our suffering.
  • A Fantasy Dream World.
    When you're stuck in a zoo enclosure the best thing you can do is imagine yourself elsewhere.

    Even if you want to escape the best you can do is to try to get a spot in the San Diego zoo.

    But this thought isn't but fantasy. We don't live in a zoo. We live in a .... pineapple under the sea?
  • Differences between real miracles and fantasy
    Still trying to read Autobiography of a Yogi and the miracles make me angry. Just another example where the lay person is excluded from the powers conveyed by union with a higher state. Sounds like Yogananda is traversing the multiverse.

    The miracles are to the book like advertising are to services and products in our economy. They're there to either seduce you or repel you but the goal of Advaita Vedanta and Buddhism is to get beyond that. Miracles belong to the realm of phenomena which Yogis are not supposed to be interested in. Yogananda even talks about it in the book, between all the bullshit miracles.

    The problem with you, Agustinino, is that you don't have the proper attitude to get to the astral plane, where you then can witness miracles (like all that good advertising which will help you to get more cash in this bullshit world of miracles and advertising).

    Everything is a miracle, but a miracle of absolute bullshit and absurdity.

    The secret connection between Steve Jobs and Yogananda is miraculous style written over the bullshit mundanity of life: Advertising.
  • In defense of Monism
    "A religion of one is a religion of none." This is a great and awful meme.

    A religion of Oneness is a religion of Noneness (Sunyata).

    Sunyata is a Buddhist's emptiness realization which might also be consoling (thus an emptiness consolation).
  • In defense of Monism
    Sounds so traditional.

    Just listened to a podcast about the notion of hyper-real religions, where satirical response to religious tropes become serious religious tropes in a playful way. For example, Pastafarianism or Jedai faith. If everything is an aspect of God (a phenomenal manifestation of the absolute monad) then the Flying Spaghetti Monster works just as well as what it replaces. It also makes you laugh (or scowl). The point is to overcome semantic reification, to untrope the tropes for the sake of understanding whatever the valuable message is.

    The Creed

    I am a Jedi, an instrument of peace;

    Where there is hatred I shall bring love;
    Where there is injury, pardon;
    Where there is doubt, faith;
    Where there is despair, hope;
    Where there is darkness, light;
    And where there is sadness, joy.

    I am a Jedi.

    I shall never seek so much to be consoled as to console;
    To be understood as to understand;
    To be loved as to love;
    For it is in giving that we receive;
    It is in pardoning that we are pardoned;
    And it is in dying that we are born to eternal life.

    The Force is with me always, for I am a Jedi.
    — https://www.templeofthejediorder.org/doctrine-of-the-order
  • Defining Mysticism
    Robert Wright just had a discussion with Sam Harris. As academics they give a sober view of enlightenment.

    Is Buddhism True?: A Conversation with Robert Wright
  • Defining Mysticism
    Yogis seem to be metaphysical idealists of a sort. The common folk are limited to the material transmutations by instrumental science and the works of reason. Yogis claim to traverse space and time (the Veil of Illusions) as if the universe was a manifestation of the mind of Atman, the primordial being at the core of all things. Ideas manifest as matter. But what limits their miracles to such silly displays I don't know, unless how they appear to us is dependent on whether or not we are able to receive them on their terms.

    All phenomena is secondary to Atman, which includes the instrumentality of thinking. Atman precedes or exists outside or is the source of Maya in some way.

    My favorite mystic meme:

    "God is an intelligible sphere whose center is everywhere and whose circumference is nowhere."
  • Late night thoughts, well, in my timezone
    Put your demons to work. Make them curtsy to you as you curtsy to your boss.
  • Psychedelics, Hypnosis, NDE and the really real


    Self Censored :-x (This is not a joke thread or this thread IS NOT a joke).
  • Philosophy Joke of the Day
    Bands like this are one of several reasons that the midwest remains "flyover land". — Bitter Crank

    To be continued, the Noumenous Bird Theme (The Musical):




    Why did the thinker ignore the bird?

    Because he was

    (a) a statue
    (b) an idea
    (c) an image
    (d) a word
    (e) a bird
  • Philosophy Joke of the Day


    It isn't an empirical bird.
  • Late night thoughts, well, in my timezone
    We can't all be smart, funny, coherent and planning toward progress like T Clark. But you can laugh if you try.



    Uncontrollable laughter is far worse than depression though, if you ask me.
  • Philosophy Joke of the Day
    God's parrot laughs and says "I heard that Bohr. If I believe that I don't know what hasn't been rolled yet, I will deign to play with myself. "
  • On Melancholy
    J.L. Borges epigram to his short fiction, The Library of Babel, is from Burton's Anatomy of Melancholy.

    “By this art you may contemplate the variation of the twenty-three letters…”

    The search for this sentence in Burton's book at least shows that this actually appears in Burton's Anatomy of Melancholy and is not made up by Borges like so many folks have said.

    Best to avoid both works and go take a walk in the woods with your girlfriend or boyfriend, like I would if I had one.

    What those walks in the woods might bring to the understanding of the variations of love letters and melancholy, one can only imagine.
  • Philosophy Joke of the Day
    Existential Comics

    Why did Kim Jong Un execute the man in the Chinese Room experiment?

    (a) Because he suspected the man was bilingual.
    (b) Because the man couldn't translate Chinese into Korean fast enough.
    (c) Because the man's sister tried to cross the border.
    (d) Because the man was exposed to politically dangerous semantic content.
    (e) Because Kim Jong Un's blood sugar was too low.
    (f) Because the Chinese Room experiment was a state sponsored exercise in torture always preceding death.
  • Philosophy Joke of the Day


    Ellen is Frank's first child. Sophia is the youngest. How much do you really know about Frank?
  • Philosophy Joke of the Day
    Far Side Style

    After reading Schopenhauer's seminal work "The World as Will and Idea" Frank decided he would show Schopenhauer his seminal work.

    "Hi Art. This is my daughter, Sophia."
  • Philosophy Joke of the Day
    Kant, who happens to be in the bar for some anomalous non-reason, sees DesCartes raising a stein to his lips, runs over and grabs the stein out of DesCartes hands.

    After taking a sip Kant adjusts his waist coat and clears his throat, then announces loud enough that everyone else in the bar can hear him:

    "Act only in accordance with that maxim through which you can at the same time will that it become a universal law. I am the dying man."

    DesCartes' face turns redly redder, grabs the stein back, and says loud enough so that everyone else in the bar can hear him: "I drink to forget that I am. "

    Frank, who is not and will never be a philosopher, watches from a barstool, easily amused.
  • Philosophy Joke of the Day
    Enough with this Quine monkey business.

    How many lightbulbs does it take to light a bulb?

    Depends on whose bulb is being lit.

    How much friction does it take to ignite a wet piece of wood?

    Find out.