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  • Israel killing civilians in Gaza and the West Bank
    the same situationEcharmion

    Define situation.
  • Israel killing civilians in Gaza and the West Bank
    Starving millions of people is not a good reply in any situation.Manuel

    A very good reply if you want to kill people. Leave morality at the door when figuring out Israeli calculus.
  • Israel killing civilians in Gaza and the West Bank
    It would turn into an absolute bloodbath that would probably haunt them for the rest of their existence.Tzeentch

    Seems the most likely outcome when you mobilise this many troops. I don't see a lack of support as a problem. They don't care about a stern talking to from the EU. The US is making bank on Israeli military activity. I'm rather pessimistic this time.
  • Israel killing civilians in Gaza and the West Bank
    I'll refer you to my dog analogy. We all know what happens to the dog that finally bites its abusive masters. Gaza will basically be razed to the ground. People will start starving in about two weeks.
  • Israel killing civilians in Gaza and the West Bank
    Oh yes, this is exactly the excuse the right-wing Zionists need. It's like beating a dog repeatedly and then acting you're aghast when it bites you. "See, I told you it's a mean dog!"
  • Israel killing civilians in Gaza and the West Bank
    I'll remind everyone not to discuss the wider problem with @tim wood who's just an Israeli apologist with zero knowledge of the history and politics of the region. See page 76 of this thread.

    For the rest carry on.
  • Why are We Back-Peddling on Racial Color-Blindness?
    That's not even a logical argument. I get why you get confused if you think that passes for it. Here's the actual argument:

    If you're black then you're 95% likely to be discriminated against at some point in your life based on your skin colour.
    That person is black.
    Therefore, he will most likely be discriminated against.

    My solution: we need to talk about not discriminating against black people.
    Your solution: we need to stop talking about black people.
  • Why are We Back-Peddling on Racial Color-Blindness?
    One cannot determine who has or has not been subject to prejudice by perpetuating pseudoscience or noticing the color of someone’s epidermis, and one certainly cannot solve any of the material conditions by doing so. You’re being both useless and unjust, which is not a great combo.NOS4A2

    A statement weened from historical fact. The lives of blacks and minorities has improved in the past decades in western countries because they held people and institutions to account by talking about it. But I understand how a change in the status quo feels like an injustice to you because you're a racist little git but just don't realise it yet.
  • How do we know that communism if not socialism doesn't work?
    The peril of centralization just there. Economies perhaps have to be de-centralized in order not everybody makes the same mistakes.ssu

    Let's decentralize companies too then!

    That is another point of communist confusion. Because it is materialistic at heart, the loftiest entity that a communist can recognize is the State. And given that tyranny is the default position of the State, it is very reasonable to be suspicious of any state that wants to centralize power in order to bring about some hypothetical utopia. Compare this to the competition, a metaphysical reality of infinite possibility and ethical certitude (God and religion are very compatible with the capitalist republic, which generally delivers a higher standard of living) . . . it makes sense that people can't make a spiritual commitment to communism.Merkwurdichliebe

    Fair warning; I'll be going off into a tangent here.

    A higher standard of living for whom? At least from 1945 until 1970 health data of Soviet Union citizens improved more rapidly than anywhere else in Europe. The US meanwhile is lagging in many metrics compared to other "capitalist" societies. I don't think capitalism is a good indicator - or in fact that this is really a question of economics. A lot of rich people and politicians like to pretend it is, because it keeps them rich but the result is people subservient to the economy and a certain class all the while extolling the virtues of capitalism and individualism. Classes are real (anyone denying this, please study some marketing which still uses the NRS social grade) and consistently cause problems as there are no people "all free and equal" but persons that are “responsible and cooperating members of their respective groups” (Rawls).

    In any case, the "tyranny of the State" is one of those catchphrases that I always find interesting. What is it? Is it their monopoly on violence? No problem in a democratic society. The tyranny of the majority? No problem when we have human rights and particulary due process. It requires a learned legal profession to produce good lawyers, informed and interested citzenry to make political choices and educated politicians, leaders and visionairs to put into public discourse what we should be talking about. We need a vibrant society but what we have is egoism and decandency dressed up as philosophical liberalism. But there are political obligations related to liberalism that self-styled, winner-takes-all, laissez-faire capitalist individuals ignore (Randroids, tax-is-theft idiots and average US politicians).

    When a number of persons conduct any joint enterprise according to rules and thus restrict their liberty, those who have submitted to those restrictions when required have a right to a similar submission from those who have benefited by their submission. (Hart, 1955: 185)

    This is an argument for fairness but raises the question of what qualitative nature the benefits must have that they require a duty for the individual to perform their part (as the moral intuition is no such obligation exists when the benefits are trivial). Enter natural duty theories.

    Simmons believed in a debt of gratitude but fails to specify the content of the debt.

    And of course there's consent to political obligation which is problematic as usually no such act is performed by citizens.

    So, of these approaches, in my view the "fairness" argument can gain the most traction via natural duty theories such that the political obligation is not based on a moral transaction between people and wider society , but because it either a) promotes an impartial moral good, (utility or justice); or 2) is a moral duty owed by all persons to all others (universal rights).

    Liberalism divorced from political obligation is just selfishness.
  • Why are We Back-Peddling on Racial Color-Blindness?
    Yes, there's no biological basis to distinguish races. Yet people still do it on the basis of skin colour and cultural expression. Recognising the second is not pseudoscience.

    No problem ever went away by ignoring it doesn't exist or changing how we speak about it. And that's really the only thing you bang on about, which doesn't solve the material conditions of people subject to prejudice in any shape, way or form. In other words: you're being useless.
  • Joe Biden (+General Biden/Harris Administration)
    Now, however, McCarthy seems to think it's a boast! As if 'being an adult' is something the brag about. But then, I guess with the company he's keeping, it kind of makes sense, sad though that may be.Wayfarer

    Reminds me of the skit from Chris Rock "I take care of my kids!" as if it's a boast "you're supposed to you dumb fuck!"

  • Joe Biden (+General Biden/Harris Administration)
    Section 1512(c)(2) makes it a crime to “corruptly ... otherwise obstruct[], influence[], or impede[] any official proceeding, or attempt[] to do so.” Federal prosecutors have used § 1512(c)(2) to charge individuals for conduct such as falsifying evidence to influence a federal grand jury investigation and tipping off the target of a grand jury proceeding about an undercover operation. Numerous individuals involved in the unrest at the Capitol on January 6, 2021, have also been charged under the provision in the same jurisdiction where the Indictment has been filed. In one such case, United States v. Fischer, a split D.C. Circuit panel held that Section 1512(c)(2) “encompasses all forms of obstructive conduct,” including “violent efforts to stop Congress from certifying the results of the 2020 presidential election.” — Congressional research service
  • Joe Biden (+General Biden/Harris Administration)
    Who are you talking to since nobody here said that? Although there's tons of obvious things to say about the equivocation you're suggesting. A rather callous and cavalier attitude to the storming of a government building and the deaths that followed by suggesting they are the same.

    Of course, if you're only wanting to make the inane point that crimes should be prosecuted irrespective of who committed them then this is so obvious you'll not find anyone here to disagree.
  • Ukraine Crisis
    Without some kind of explanation of how they worked, it's hard to take the yacht story seriously.Tzeentch

    I agree that the "experts say it's possible" is weak and it would be great if they'd give some more information on it why they say so. But that statement is lifted from the official investigators intermediary reports so probably isn't disclosed because they're not done yet with the investigation.

    The damage on the loading bay was consistent with "heavy equipment/machinery". I think forensic research can probably tell what damaged it if they really wanted to. Traces of explosives and other things could have been found as well.

    But even if that all bears out, it still doesn't answer whether this was a false-flag operation or not.
  • Joe Biden (+General Biden/Harris Administration)
    He claimed the doors were usually open. If that's true then looking to open fire/emergency exit doors on purpose is possible.
  • Climate change denial
    Oh, plenty of vision but solely aimed at making profit. The fundamental problem is that "the economy" or "the market" has become the goal and measurement of all human endeavour and there's a small group of people and countries this benefits. Until we can turn this around, hexing economies work for the benefit of humanity we will not solve global warming.

    I sincerely believe we will have to retreat into regional communities again and trade in the iPhone upgrade for actual connection with neighbours and nature.
  • Ukraine Crisis
    That's all based on a hunch though and other than Hersh's unidentified sources there's no evidence for it at this point in time. The estimates was hundreds of pounds of TNT btw, so not at impossible as you might think, and I don't know what your list of equipment is based on.

    In any case, I'm not in favour of any specific scenario since the information simply isn't there but I do assign a decent probability to this group of people being involved. How much deeper it goes is another question.
  • Ukraine Crisis
    @Tzeentch you might want to watch the Nieuwsuur episode from last Tuesday if you haven't seen it yet. https://www.npostart.nl/WO_NTR_20079363

    It reconfirms the Ukraine hypothesis but they stop at making a link to the government. I wonder how private players can get their hands on TNT without consent ow knowledge from the local authorities. There has to be an evidence trail of multiple witnesses somewhere.

    My personal most likely scenario is that either this was ordered by or done with the knowledge of the Ukrainian government. In the latter case they chose not to intervene.

    The second most likely is that it doesn't stop there and other EU(?) countries were involved.

    The third is a US or Russian submarine and all this is a big distraction. And here I find US involvement more likely due to the interests involved.
  • Climate change denial
    How do you go from global numbers to US numbers?

    And it could be far less if people would be prepared to consume less. The problem is that people just assume sustainability is doing the same but greener. We really need a system change more than investments.
  • Donald Trump (All General Trump Conversations Here)
    Enemies are subjects of a foreign government that is in open hostility with the United States.
  • Let’s play ‘Spot the Fallacy’! (share examples of bad logic in action)
    You can read the thread I replied to yes? It's a simple straw man fallacy by representing the mathematical argument as a paradox of actual motion.
  • Let’s play ‘Spot the Fallacy’! (share examples of bad logic in action)
    I already answered your question 5 years ago: https://thephilosophyforum.com/discussion/comment/181078

    A lot of you are missing the point when they start applying Zeno's paradox to real world circumstances. It was an allegory for a mathematical argument he was having with other Greek philosophers. It isn't intended as a theory of motion but as argument against the then prevailing idea that a mathematical line is build up of points (atoms) and a finite number could not be divided infinitely (again, atoms!). It's an argument against there existing an indivisible mathematical quanta that they thought existed at the time.

    As a mathematical argument it's quite good and easily imagined but the allegory is just an aid for understanding the mathematical argument not intended as to say anything sensible about the real world. So once you realise it isn't about physical reality, the paradox disappears.
    — Benkei

    Lazy with the search function, eh? :wink:
  • Donald Trump (All General Trump Conversations Here)
    He needs Trump to have literally said "I want to overturn the election". He'll be the guy when a mobster sends a chopped off horse's head that says: "It's not a threat. He's taking care of that poor family by sending them fresh meat!"
  • Donald Trump (All General Trump Conversations Here)
    This land is your land, this federal government is your federal government. It’s not just the sole province of people in the metro D.C. area. — corrected Paul Dans quote

    The argument for more participatory democracy in a nutshell but instead they prefer to vest all power in the President and defund all countervailing powers. The performative contradiction alone makes me giggle.
  • Coronavirus
    Anybody who saw what happened in Italy could've known. And I remember images from NY where people were stacked in the corridors needing ventilators but there obviously were not enough around.

    Governments had let slide pandemic reserves, tossed their playbooks when it did happen (if they had one) and most of them didn't define exit strategies. They (western European countries) screwed over healthcare personnel to boot (we'll applaud you but fuck your raise after we've cut your budget in the past 2 decades), who understandably left in droves, leaving healthcare in shambles in many countries. Waiting lists are the longest ever in the Netherlands.
  • Coronavirus
    I suppose the covid policy that we were all forced to comply with did him no good.Merkwurdichliebe

    Presumably countless others like him were saved.
  • Coronavirus
    Nonsense. You yourself equated the damage to heavy exercise. There are plenty of people from whom heavy exercise would be potentially dangerous, so you're just contradicting yourself at this point.Tzeentch

    You're equating it. I said heavy exercise causes myocardial injury. These are different things but as usual you're being an idiot.
  • Coronavirus
    come to think of it. You can also get a shot of stress of hold your breath really long and you'll get the same level of troponin too. Ooihhh, adverse effects! Fuck of man and get real.
  • Coronavirus
    Yes, it is listed as being very rare, whereas myocardial injury is apparently very common. To list one and omit to other I find misleading. Period.Tzeentch

    No it isn't. Campbell is the one misleading here and you're too stupid to realise it even after I spoonfeed you why. Headaches, nausea etc. aren't harmless as they could indicate much worse conditions and are actually effects people notice. The worse condition that myocardial injury could indicate is myocarditis or pecocarditis, which are included. Transient myocardial injury in itself (eg. an elevated level of substance) is harmless and therefore not an adverse effect.
  • Coronavirus
    Myocarditis is included. Transient myocardial injury is automatically included under myocarditis. Transient myocardial injury isn't an adverse effect. Otherwise the consequences of exercising would be too. Myocardial injury can be an adverse effect If it isn't transient.
  • Coronavirus
    By the way, you realise that heavy exercise will show the same levels of myocardial injury? Because that's what you're arguing about at the moment. John Campbell is an idiot or a lying sack of shit. The sooner you realise this, the better.

    The question really is now why you're married to his false statements that you've been arguing in favour of it this entire day.
  • Coronavirus
    I don't find that very compelling.Tzeentch

    No, you rather not figure things out for yourself and prefer to listen to some dipshit on youtube because it fits your preconceived notion of bad government.
  • Coronavirus
    Myocarditis and myocardial injury aren't the same.

    Myocarditis is an inflammatory disease of the myocardium diagnosed by established histological, immunological, immunohistochemical, and molecular criteria; endomyocardial biopsy (EMB) is necessary to achieve a diagnosis of certainty and identify its cause.

    Myocardial injury is defined by only one criterion: the elevation of cardiac troponin, with at least one value above the 99th percentile upper reference limit.

    Only one of these is actually dangerous, the latter is a measure of myocardial damage but obviously if it's transient, there's no actual damage.

    You seem to be extremely agitated at the idea that a medical professoinal asks critical questions when such a discrepancy is brought to light. Why is that?Tzeentch

    Because he's not a professional, just a former nurse whose bullshit I can even unravel as a total layman with the ability to read. He's a sack of shit.
  • Coronavirus
    it's in Dutch so maybe you understand this "bijsluiter". This is for Cominarty. Maybe next time do some research before believing that asshole shill. https://www.ema.europa.eu/en/documents/product-information/comirnaty-epar-product-information_nl.pdf
  • Coronavirus
    I'm not sure who you think you're fooling if you are seriously arguing this was all common knowledge when people were being vaccinated en masse. Yourself, perhaps?Tzeentch

    The clinical trial reports were publicly available and there was no actual risk. Why report on something that wasn't a risk? Or are you actually thinking myocardial injury equates with a heart attack?
  • Coronavirus
    Oh, that must be why the clinical trials of Novavax already showed "an increased risk of myocarditis".

    Classy opening, by the way. Yea, I'm sure Campbell is the idiot here. :roll:Tzeentch

    I'll correct my statement. He's an immoral asshole who goes on youtube telling lies. I hope he dies sooner rather than later.