If his actions "undermined confidence in the system" then there wasn't any worthwhile confidence in the system before to begin with. — baker

"The system" is a whole bunch of people acting in various ways. Some activities are conducive to a healthy political discourse, others aren't. To pretend the system itself has some inherent resistance to undermining actions is folly, because it makes people lazy. We can certainly design systems to make it more difficult to fuck it up but that requires people actively designing it and then to continue to guard the parameters in which the system was designed to operate. Crap behaviour needs to be pointed out and condemned.

Well, I can't say the UK and the Netherlands are improvements currently. Sunak and Wilders, what a joke.

Ever heard of the reasonable person test? Because what Trump claims he believes is irrelevant. It's what a reasonable person is allowed to believe. Otherwise I can go around claiming people can fly, despite people telling me it's not true and then get away with pushing someone from a building. That's not how it works. Trump is guilty and will be convicted soon enough.

Only Trump supporters pretend to not understand inferences. But they're good doggies all the same when the tail wags.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2024/jan/03/israeli-public-figures-accuse-judiciary-of-ignoring-incitement-to-genocide-in-gaza

It's been going on much longer and has been mainstream with Likud since its inception but I guess people waking up to this incitement is a win.

A drone strike in Lebanon possibly pulling in Hezbollah into the conflict. Dumb decision.

Gunman in Colorada supreme court. Funny how the people scared of leftists and the law feel like it's perfectly fine to shoot people. Also funny how they all think like NOS4A2. I wonder when we can read about him in the newspapers.

All that just underlines is that you're still living in 1945. My use is consistent with actual use, srebrenica, Uighur etc. are examples of genocide too. 75 years of occupation with the intent to destroy the viability of an independent state through mass displacement, continued colonialism and war crimes is genocide of the original local population. Your continued inane ramblings about language are irrelevant. You're defending war crimes using fascist and ultranationalist talking points and too stuck in your Jewish circle jerk to be ashamed of it.

Also: I never called it a concentration camp but nice to know you feel obligated to defend that crime by pointing out it isn't as bad as an actual one.

Yes, I understand you live in reverse land where arguing against the continued murder of civilians under false pretenses of defence is wrong because it's Jews doing it. It's ubermensch and untermensch all over again. Open your eyes and realise the shame where you've learned more from the Nazis than the resistance fighters that saved Jews. But of course as a non-Jew it's just something offensive which you can then ignore which fits right in your brand of ultranationalist racism. Here's a reminder where other Jews already pointed that out:
https://www.marxists.org/reference/archive/einstein/1948/12/02.htm

I could share photos of Nazi concentration camps, but I'll do my ancestors the respect not to trot those out. — Hanover

I love this one. Your ancestors are rolling around in their graves for you defending what the Nazis did to them.

thanks for saving me the time and aggravation.

denounce Israel for establishing itself, — BC

False. I've never done that and that's never been my point.

As to genocide, I'm using it exactly as it is defined. It's asshats like you who pretend to know what they talk about and then whine about semantics, not knowing the definitions. So, once again (the third time in this thread), according to the convention to prevent genocide:

Genocide means any of the following acts committed with intent to destroy, in whole or in part, a national, ethnical, racial or religious group, as such: (a) Killing members of the group; (b) Causing serious bodily or mental harm to members of the group; (c) Deliberately inflicting on the group conditions of life calculated to bring about its physical destruction in whole or in part; (d) Imposing measures intended to prevent births within the group; (e) Forcibly transferring children of the group to another group.
— Convention

Another dumb post. Genocide doesn't require you to actually kill people. All Palestinians in the West Bank and Gaza are oppressed, every Israeli village is build on an Arab ruin and there is no viability of a Palestinian state which is wilfully undermined through settler colonialism. That is the genocide. It's no less than what is being done to the Uighurs.


Your solution leaves out the security issue for Palestinians and is a common denial for people's right to self-determination. In other words it's dumb shit only a rabid pro-israeli with no idea of justice or fairness will come up with.

Don't bother replying. I'm pointing it out for others.

People are not skeptical when they are told things that they want to believe are true.

People are not skeptical when they are told things that agree with their opinion. — Agree-to-Disagree

If this is true, this is also true for you, so you have effectively said exactly nothing.

I don't have any hope any more, I'm just trying to make sure my kids will be spared the worst of what is to come.

interesting quote a bit further in; Bibi: “Regarding voluntary immigration … This is the direction we are going in.”

Good to know that the diaspora, fleeing the Germans etc. we're all done "voluntarily" by Jews in the past since to be murdered or not is the voluntary choice of the victims.

The man is insane.

I'm just patiently waiting for the US to implode due to its corrupt and vacuous politics.

Straw man. As if some internet rando knows how to do science better than actual climate scientists.

https://archive.ipcc.ch/publications_and_data/ar4/wg1/en/faq-2-1.html

Possible and deniable, so yes, probably just like that.

Trump obviously gets off on posting vague statements that people can interpret in myriad of ways but giving him room for plausible deniability.

a blurb of how others speak about him?

Can't you take a screenshot? I don't want to give him the traffic and indirect advertisement income.

https://climate.nasa.gov/explore/ask-nasa-climate/2949/why-milankovitch-orbital-cycles-cant-explain-earths-current-warming/

I always find it interesting when people pretend to be intelligent but cannot find obvious answers to single issue questions. Performative stupidity is boring and doesn't serve any rhetorical point other than another reason to ignore you.

this is the part where only an unappealable court decision establishes illegality, except of course something is illegal even without it having been established in the courts. The courts merely confirm the illegality.

Bibidiot just signalled he wants to "deradicalise" Palestinians. When not talking to a murderous thug that would involve ensuring the material conditions of the average Palestinian improves to the point they are comfortable and secure enough they have no interest in continued violence. In the case of Bibidiot we are probably talking about the Israeli equivalent of an Uighur reeducation camp. If we're lucky.

It's only natural that what remains of the GOP increasingly has higher approval ratings for Trump but this is accompanied by a decline in overall GOP voters.

@ssu Almost Christmas. That's usually the time Israel does something horrible which is then not picked up in western media because they're too busy gorging themselves on a ridiculous amount of food.

So the Jews experienced a Holocaust in Europe with many displaced persons, many times the Jews going back were faced with continued hostilities from populations, etc. But don't worry, if they try to make a state of it in Israel, the same Europeans will call foul and say, "You better not do that either, or we will root for the Palestinians to push you into the sea there as well!". — schopenhauer1

Straw man. Nobody has argued for this.

Wonder why :rofl: you make that sound like it was not relevant to be concerned about security. Take a deal and build on it. As Maher said, how’s the other way working? — schopenhauer1

It's dumb shit like this that's tiresome. It's not Israelis that regularly get massacred en masse. Palestinian security is just as relevant but has never been on the table in any proposal. To then subsequently accuse me of bias would be funny if idiots like you didn't make the world such a tragic place.

They were given large tracts of land but not 100%. It’s called compromise. — schopenhauer1

Why should an oppressed people give up land that Israel has no right to? There's a UN partition plan. There are even the borders of 1967 where Israel has stolen land, a crime of aggression that was punished with hanging at Nuremberg, that the Palestinians are willing to accept. Which is already a huge concession.

It is Israel, especially under Likud, that refuses to compromise and has been slowly strangling the Palestinians. Once they are done with Gaza - and they will be done when they fully occupy it and it basically doesn't exist anymore because all infrastructure is gone then they will turn to the West Bank and eat and eat away. But you know, keep writing dumb shit. It's entertaining at least.

As pointed out time and again, Israel as client state of the US, can do whatever it wants and has been doing exactly that and will continue to do that until people realise the Palestinians actually have rights. That some of those rights are actually inalienable and not subject to compromise, that having a fucking moral backbone requires you to not tell victims to give in to the demands of their aggressors. But sure, it's all the fault of the Palestinians that Israel is ruled by genocidal thugs. Jesus fucking christ, talk about blaming the victim. You're a pathetic excuse for a human being. It's no wonder you have such a low opinion of humanity that you think anti-natalism makes sense because looking in the mirror must suck for you.

It would make sense if it was symmetrical but the point he was making isn't symmetrical. His point was that for most of those 75 years one side (the Israeli side) made overtures for peace and the other side never took any deals, even when they lost over and over in armed conflict and were in a position where if they took it, they would have gotten much of what they wanted — schopenhauer1

This is simply a lie. I don't want to go into the full history how things actually went but basically every "peace" deal involved the Palestinians having no to little self-determination and was only concerned with Israeli security. It also meant making demands before negotiations even started, which isn't a negotiation but blackmail. And finally, Israel always wanted to carve up the land in such a way and control Palestinian movement that it would not result in a viable state for the Palestinians.

Then the PLO gave away self determination indefinitely - the closest we got to "peace" according to every dunce with a microphone - which a majority of Palestinians rejected at the time and why Hamas became popular. Peace where you subjugate yourself to your oppressor simply isn't peace.

But then, you actually should read the proposals ("insults" is a better term) instead of pursuing statements that fit your pre-conceived notions of what's going on.

The point Maher tried to make fails because the analogies he's using don't work. But as usual you're too dumb to unpackage the argument. Kind of like an anti-natalist thread: you never get anywhere because basic logic is beyond you.

Being left apparently nowadays means having principles.

A million Greeks were shoved out of Turkey in 1923,
2:05
a million Ghanaians out of Nigeria in 1983,
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almost a million French out of Algeria in 1962,
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nearly a million Syrian refugees moved to Germany
2:15
eight years ago. Was that a perfect fit? — schopenhauer1

As usual, telling you agree with idiots and claim "impartiality" and "objectivity" so you can ignore anything that doesn't comport with your view because they are by definition subjective in your tiny reptilian brain. Really, the red flag is when you agree with what tim wood says, because we already know for 3 years he has no idea what he's talking about when it comes to this conflict.

The reason why all these comparisons fail is because unlike Nigeria, Algeria and Turkey, Israel has no rightful claim to all the land from the river Jordan to the sea. It never had so it is in fact invading land that isn't theirs and occupying it. That is the crime of aggression for which Germans were hanged at Nuremberg. A crime so egregious that the law criminalising it was written after it was committed just so they could sentence them.

And Syrian refugees chose to flee, there's no obligation for them to do so and they would have every right to stay where they are and demand safety and security.

:rofl: Yes, I'm sure that is. Not only can't you read but satire is lost on you as well.

The inability to read, the deluge of Trump worship. One minute we're defending Trump comparing illegal immigrants to poison, the next we're raising a strawman about nobody who said anything about the holocaust. Why am I such a Trump shill, and not even for the first time?

Hamas fires its weapons from schools and hospitals; Ukraine does not use such tactics. — BitconnectCarlos

Yes, they do: https://www.amnesty.org/en/latest/news/2022/08/ukraine-ukrainian-fighting-tactics-endanger-civilians/

So much for NOS4A2's idea that the Democrats are an antidemocratic force.

I find the whole western values are superior skit also interesting. Of course in the paradigm of western values, you value western values and as beneficiaries of the benefits of that system it is regarded as positive. Until you are outside of it, then you are colonised, bombed and "educated" about your barbarity. And what these values are, is not even explicated. So indoctrinated are these people that it's all just assumptions.

Western values: how to exploit people and nature. How to reduce everything to monetary value. How to externalise costs. How to burn the world while munching on your packaged double-salted caramel popcorn you don't know how to make, doomscrolling through tiktok while hating on Johnny foreigner.

The dominant "Westen values" are shit. It's just tribalism.

quotes *liberal leftist newspaper filled with lies*. And the fools have a reason not to listen.

Well, as you made the argument about genocide earlier, I remember answering that the bodycount (or the ethnic cleansing) has to be a higher number. That was months ago.

Well, now the death toll is going in your way quite obviously. That people are starting to starve tells a lot also. — ssu

The genocide has been going on for decades. Where are all the Palestinian sea side villages and cities? Their life and culture are being strangled by the occupation with this very goal: to make an independent Palestinian state impossible.

Unfortunately, people underestimate Likud voters and members. They are quite frankly insane murderous idiots on par with Saddam and the like. They stand exactly for what Hamas stood for until 2017 but then for Jews and with the unfortunate circumstance they actually have political power and weapons. Even their tactics are the same. Terror.

Meanwhile some of the posters here keep insisting the Palestinians are like the Nazis and this is some kind of existential struggle. It is, of course, but not for Israel. It's been informative who here has kept defending this insanity. God save their souls.

Not anymore no. But there was a 6 year window where everybody did fuck all. But then even when 5,000+ kids are killed... So who am I kidding.