You seem to be proliferating reading groups without wanting to do much hard work on them. — Baden

I progress at a slow pace. I'm a slug when it comes to reading.

What?

Uh... no. That's clear enough. — creativesoul

So, what is your take on taking an existential quantification property of a counterfactual?

Ok. I take it that the six listed statements above are Kripke's aim. He's using proper nouns in possible world scenarios to place them under suspicion for various reasons. — creativesoul

Please elaborate?

Christmas on the other hand is so loaded with connotations one can't even get close to what it denotes. (denote = factual attachments; connote = affective attachments) — Bitter Crank

What's the difference between connnatations and denotation? How do they exist mutually independent of one abother?

Something to be cherished.

But I don't feel like an equal partner in this conversation. — Valentinus

What am I doing wrong here?

Sorry.

What if you were in a situation where the propositions ran out? — Valentinus

Can you provide an example?

Interesting. So, would you say that our collective consciousness denotes Christmas or is it something else?

Maybe you could answer questions too. — Valentinus

What questions do you have for me?

I think, the type-token distinction or the map-territory distinction is important; but, can be deflated into a less ambiguous proposition. How is this done?

If a map is important, and not just a poster on the wall, you want to travel to another place.

You have to leave one place to go to another.

That doesn't answer the question of how the process works because I can only apply that sort of explanation for things under my control or for things I am pretending I can control. — Valentinus

A map is important because it designates a reality of its own. Dimensionality? How does one jump from a two-dimensional plane that is the map, and the world that exists in many dimensions?

On the contrary.
The need for separation gives birth to the book. — Valentinus

How does that process work?

Christmas — Bitter Crank

What does "Christmas" denote in your mind?

Happy holidays!

The point I am trying to make is not about finding the author. You asked for a distinction. Does it suffice? — Valentinus

The author of a book in inseparable from the works itself, no?

If you survive, you might want to make a new map. — Valentinus

My map is irrelevant. The map of the World is of more utility here.

And if there is a map, there is a territory. — Valentinus

But, General Semantics says, that the map is not the territory. If it is not, then what is it?

If I were to say that this place, that is, the logical space that this forum occupies, is special. Then how do I reference this "place"?

I've been reading into the Loci technique, for instantiating or obtaining of memory retrieval. When, we instantiate a subject into a Cartesian plane, then, some coordinate map is necesaary.

@Janus, can you highlight your sentiments about Naming and Necessity?

:up:

BTW, how do you guys insert the link of “@username”? — javra

Insert name in @ "name" .

3. Therefore, the memory refers to wherever x happens to be. — Mentalusion

What's the "wherever" part denoting?

Kripke talks about properties of objects. What's this about?

Unless you really want to? — Banno

I would like to address the issue of a cluster of descriptions if you don't mind.

The wise man will, above all, strive after freedom from pain and annoyance, quiet and leisure, consequently a tranquil, modest life, with as few encounters as may be; and so, after a little experience of his so-called fellowmen, he will elect to live in retirement, or even, if he is a man of great intellect, in solitude. For the more a man has in himself, the less he will want from other people — the less, indeed, other people can be to him. This is why a high degree of intellect tends to make a man unsocial. True, if quality of intellect could be made up for by quantity, it might be worth while to live even in the great world; but unfortunately, a hundred... — schopenhauer1

Hear hear, wisdom has been spoken.

You must learn to overcome adversity. Sometimes it is just dealing with the stress by existing through it. — schopenhauer1

So, coping is the key here? How does Schopenhauer help you cope with adversity? I'm basically astonished at how one can still carry on living with such a state of mind that Schopenhauer puts you in?

One wants to say: tell me more about this person you can't tell me anything about. — StreetlightX

Plato's beard?

Good dear, the Donnellan criticism in the footnotes on page 85 through 86 would be a topic worthy of its own.

As I asked in the beginning, what is the alternative? — Dfpolis

Dunno, asking you that?

It seems as though you have a scenario in which there is no choice but to cope as well as you can. — Dfpolis

So, it's necessary that I cope with my problems if medication is not addressing the issue properly enough?

Can someone give a snapshot of where we are all on at the present moment? I'm on page 73 of the book.

Counterfactuals are nice because they are based on facts. Those facts, which obtain in the present world could have been otherwise in another stipulated manner of the term.

Facts don't have to obtain in another possible world to be real. They just are.

If we feel inclined to say ontologically where one word has its designated meaning, then we can always refer to definite descriptions to elucidate the matter.

A little courage is required. — unenlightened

Or confidence? Which is it?

@schopenhauer1, I would like to ask for your input on the matter, if I may be so bold as to ask for it.

Not all possible world scenarios are counterfactual. — creativesoul

Can you list any?

Not all possible world scenarios are counterfactual. — creativesoul

This strikes me as a deep insight. Would you be able to expand on it?

I am unsure why or how it would be unjustified. What is the alternative and what do you see as the down side? — Dfpolis

The alternative is remission. I don't know how often it occurs, or if that has indeed occurred in this case here. Seemingly not.

I'm thinking of changing my name to 'Mumenlightened.' — unenlightened

That would be enlightening.

I'm still churning through your response. Give me some time, and I might be able to address the issue.

If this belongs in the Lounge, then I understand.

1. Acting pathetic gets (m)other(s) to run around after me. — unenlightened

Yes,

2. Doing nothing keeps me safe from failure. — unenlightened

Yes,

3. Something else, please specify. — unenlightened

A craving(?), if you will get better? Perhaps, contentment or satisfaction is appropriate here for the issue. When is coping justified>?