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i don't entirely disagree with you. I think alot of problems in society can be solved with more general mutual respect as well as for a lack of better phrase "more loving kindness"

absolutely.

My point is to have a completely free market as many Libertarians ask for, society also has to acknowledge there are certain government restrictions that inhibit the poor from being self sufficient. If a poor person is stuck on this earth for another 50 years, she would probably rather live in a shed or perhaps even house like a house in Haiti (card board box) then work 2 or 3 jobs to pay a land lord their high rent. Libertarians need to understand that there are give and takes to having a society that consists of a completely free market. Most of the poor in my area either work hard or work entirely too hard. A family that sees their parents on a daily basis is in general better off. Families are very important to human health and well being.

what exactly are you in disagreement with. The whole point of the OP was current events and helping the poor. I'm not sure what your issue with the OP was? Can you clarify? I understand Liberarians have a whole set of beliefs. My OP was in relation to what they view the problem with what is traditionally called blue laws. That is why i believe sub blue laws are the answer.

Sub Blue laws are based on practicality. Everyone needs a set day off and also a consistent day off every X days. People who work 2 or 3 jobs very often will work 8 days one week and 15 the next before having a day off. Sub Blue Laws are based on some state or federal paper work being filled out after 3 or so months of employment and then some minor coordination is forced on the employers of the employee. Its not completely simple but most laws aren't. I've met people who worked 300 days in a row. We can argue about welfare but the rejection of the sabbath concept has gone too far in America. Even the revolting French Revolutionists accepted a 10 day work week. 3, 7, 14, 21, 28 these are all acceptable numbers. The reason for multiples of 7 or less than 7 is due to government workers work on a 5 days of work and then 2 days off schedule and thus the rest of society would have to follow suit to the 7 day standard. Many of the problems of the poor can be solved through practical low impact legislation without imposing on the tax payer. — christian2017

I'm not entirely against opponents of Libertarians who are sometimes called liberals, i guess the problem with fully embracing the liberal's view of fixing economic problems is, Libertarians are noted to threaten departure from certain conservative values with violence. Now do you see what i'm saying?

Liberals very often see the solution to be what would commonly be called socialism such as the concept of "universal basic income". Universal Basic income is being tried in certain european countries.

All arguments against abortion that I've encountered are exercises in begging the question. If a person doesn't like terminating pregnancies, then they need merely either not get pregnant, and if they do, not have an abortion. Anything else is minding someone else's business. (Which is not in itself wrong - if gone about in the right way for the right reasons.) The problems with the above lie in the words, and thereby in the ideas and thinking they represent. Shortest way: what life is created? And what is - what does it mean to say - "the premature state of an already existing life form."

At this point in the modern debate on abortion, a debate roughly a century in, with all of the pain on all sides, the sheer stupidity of this argument is unforgivable, and can only have been offered by a troll, or someone so green they have no real idea of what they're talking - writing - about. Go do some research and some thinking! — tim wood

Sounds like your the one trolling, Tim Wood. His question is completely legitimate.

Many of the notions in the Bible are never explicitly said. The Bible has alot of implied meanings as well as polymorphism (one statement, multiple meanings based on context and situation). If you ever read the book of Proverbs you should start with chapter 1 first which is the chapter many Baptists ignore despite the fact that they read the KJV. That being said on to your question, as far as i know the Bible (protestant theology's attempted source) does not answer all or even probably most philosophical questions. Assuming there is a God, that question you would have to ask him directly.

To see examples of polymorphism in the Bible check out the free pdf (or purchase a carbon copy). Coincidences in the Bible and in Biblical Hebrew by Haim Shore. I would like to note that Arabic that predates Islam also has similarities in polymorphism the same as Hebrew.

Alot of the problems with the poor can be solved with sub blue laws and drastically reduced zoning laws. Sub blue laws through slightly complex paperwork allow the guy or girl who works 2 or 3 jobs to coordinate that she gets every 14th (or 21st and so on day off). The system isn't entirely simple but most laws aren't simple. I've met people who work 300 days in a row. To say having a 7th day off is too religious is acceptable but the whole point of the sabbath is based on the practical need for a person to have a consistent and set day off every x days off. 14 days is drastically different from 300 days. This would not impose on the tax payer. Drastically reduced zoning laws would be in accordance with a free market which is what the Libertarians (conservatives) want. Many Republicans are just globalists in disguise.

i would argue religion is just a set of beliefs in reference to a super natural concept (typically that super natural notion is the notion of a god or gods).

The Bible actually doesn't say all religion is bad. In the Bible there is good religion and bad religion. (letter of James or epistle of James)

well the good news for both of us is we won't be stuck in this hell hole forever. Many people who actively serve people on a daily basis experience burnout. Doing the right thing very often isn't rewarding atleast in the relatively short term.

thats fair. Medieval people very often believed things that weren't true but would be proven wrong 100s of years later.

I believe that the ability to empathize with others, will bring suffering on that person. Suffering is a negative emotion. The old and new testament said the Messiah would be a man of suffering.

I actually believe this sort of thing happens all the time without us knowing about it. Our recollection of the past is based on the particles positions and movement within our brains. Why God would remold his "clay vessel", my guess is boredom and the prayer's of those who suffer. What i view of the past might be very different of what God views as the past. The Bible says all have sinned and to some degree must accept how God view's them in light of the fact that we have broken his perfect law. Just my opinion ofcourse.

Anything that cannot be easily measured with absolute precision will be regarded as relative. A ways of measuring things are always to some degree relative. The human mind's ability to reconcile the truth is always marked with some degree of relativity. This does not mean there is not absolute truth, it just means absolute truth is very hard to come by.

I agree with everything that you said except for the first sentence

Quantum physics shows that the Universe is not deterministic, — Eric Jenkins

There is alot of disagreement about what is observed regarding tests/experiments involving Quantum Physics.

Are you saying everything is not predetermined or that we as people will never be able to predict the future to extreme precision due to various limitations? I actually have no concern which is true. I just find the topic interesting. I'm naturally inclined to reject Scientific determinism and/or predestination.

i guess.

Of course. There are often people registering here and posting that ‘free will is an illusion’. When I can be bothered, I ask if if they did so voluntarily. If they claim they didn’t, then I say discussion is pointless as they cannot be persuaded to change their minds. If they say they did, then they don’t have a case. — Wayfarer

Absolutely. Under scientific determinism your views and thoughts and the guy who believes in scientific determinism are entirely predetermined. The fact that he/she trys to persuade you of anything is nothing more than a domino effect that started billions of years ago. I find it both liberating and at the same time it just makes me want to play video games all day. To me i compare it to going to work everyday with a slight buzz. No wrong answer, we all have a part to play as Gandhi would say.

I accidently did leave that part out. Going from memory i think i meant to say that God gives us free will only when he gives us his Holy Spirit which many christians would argue is just God. I don't expect you to believe that because even alot of Christians right wrong or indifferent reject this theological notion. Basically i'm saying when we share God's consceissness we are free from are robotic responses our own particles (that make us up) and also free from the stimuli of the surrounding environment.

I hate predestination for the most part, but at this point in time i believe it to be true. That could change in 10 minutes.

i would be lying if i said i wasn't so concieted that there is a possibility i might travel in time someday. As you well know sometimes the best way to get your philosophical opponent to crack is to be kind. To be honest i don't know what i would do if i went in the past.

thats fair.

Perhaps someone could argue we should attempt to make good decisions to please those we care about. People who are called bad actually very often do good things all the time. People who are good sometimes do bad things.

P.S: You seemed to weigh chemical reactions against laws of physics, in fact the former is covered by the latter. — Dzung

Well i've been told otherwise. I'm not saying your wrong. I would have to do more research on that aspect.

Thats a good question. John Calvin (and the Reformers) would describe it as, our sub-optimal make up makes us make bad decisions. I would quote a Bible verse but alot of people wouldn't like that. In the strictest sense you are absolutely correct.

i wish i could say that didn't apply to me. I come on here so that i drink alcohol less.

thats fair. I would argue as far as Christianity, if you have accepted Jesus Christ sacrifice on the cross then that makes you a Christian. I may or may not be a minority on that. As far as Gnosticism, i don't know alot. My knowledge about Gnosticism is about an essay of 6 to 8 paragraphs.

thats fair. Personally i think for relatively younger people, outdoor churches are the answer in order to save money. Most church messages are trite and repetitive so if we miss a church service due to it being rained out, i don't see any harm in that.

Many churches are changing, lest they keep on evaporating as the more strict believers die off. They are saying such as "It's not about religion, but community…", but change is slow and they still mostly have the silliness of the Biblical God who has poor character.

Eventually…

The stodgy elevation of doctrine over ethics
Will no longer carry the day, and there will be less
Emphasis on believing, with more on belonging.
All will become more democratic, with much singing.

The Bible will be seen to be of human construction,
A result of human instinct, frailty, fear, and no wisdom;
So people actively speaking to each other, with laughter,
Will come to replace passive readings from scripture.

(In my church, all denominations are accepted: twenties, fifties, and hundred dollar bills.) — PoeticUniverse

Sounds like your not a Christian. lol Please don't reply with the typical response "and proud of it". Try to make your response not sound like it was copy pasted from some other Atheist on some other philosophy forum. Readers enjoy comedy and originality. :)

I feel like alot of Non Denominational churches should (not all but most) just call themselves United Methodist. I think alot of people find United Methodist to be boring or boring sounding so these Pastors start a non denominational church. Personally i like United Methodist to a strong degree. I do go to non denominational churches simply because i don't feel it necessary to worry about every single thing i disagree with a particular church. The way a church views tithes as well as resources and aptitudes for work is where a church will make me leave or stay.

I think if this life was truly fulfilling and lacked harm we would not be eager for death.

Death is inevitable as well as being a big unknown. I would prefer to die naturally whatever that means and not feel forced to depart life prematurely.

i don't want anyone to feel forced to kill themselves because of the nature of life as it is now. Also I don't want the world after I die to be a terrible place that I leave behind.

There is a kind of paradox here that if the afterlife is something great then why persist in this place? This is question for the religious or simply any believer in a better afterlife.

But what concerns me is that people are ignoring the ramifications of up to a million people a year killing themselves and these people not having a voice in the politics despite the implications of what is a drastic or severe action.

Maybe killing yourself is a courageous and revolutionary act? But when is it appropriate to do it? — Andrew4Handel

i agree with this 100%. I know many people who have been closely effected by this issue.

Those 3 attributes will produce a happier life in the long run but i wish i could say that means that there is free will. I go back and forth on the issue of scientific determinism or predestination. At its core i have the concept but my logic circuits at this present time dictate that it is true.

Google search: scientific determinism

and

Google search: dna and decision making

google search: nurture versus nature or search nurture and nature.

this is definitely a cool post. Thanks. I plan on watching until my attention span wanes out.

thats fair.

thanks for posting this. You have some great incites on suicide. Suicide is a huge problem in the United States. Recently i came to the conclusion that the best option is to go fight some creature from the sea or perhaps fight a Bobcast than to commit suicide. In hindsight Hitler didn't need to commit suicide or kill millions of people, he did have other options.

nevermind they aren't really atheists at all but there is some element of naturalism in their beliefs even if it is slight.

Perhaps the judge has no free will not to be a doosh bag so she thinks she should remain a judge. Perhaps we should try to convince the judge to be less of a doosh bag. Subtlety and Nuance are the name of the game. We can control whether we kill 10 million people but can we control whether we keep the air conditioning budget to a certain level or try not to bully that person we don't like.

Better plan than most.

College is really only good for teaching you how to teach yourself which is why i suggested an associates. The truck driving thing is a great job for people who are capable of doing it. In some cases IT companies will train people with an associates in how to write software. In some cases (assuming you don't have a criminal record) you can get IT certifications and get a decent job. Have you considered becoming an electrician?

Get a associates or go to an online college and then if you are capable of it get a CDL and drive trucks the rest of your life.

The OP sounds like what alot of Scientific Determininists and Calvinists (predestination) believe. I wish i could say it wasn't true.

You are right in a sense. Relative absolute rest (relative rest) is a real thing. Just as when a spoke circles around a axle the spoke is actually accelerating even though it might have a linear velocity that is constant. The reason is anytime you change direction that counts as accelerating. I guess the point i'm trying to make is that as long as the general trend is that the object (statistical analysis plays a huge part in understanding physics) is staying in the same general state, if you hit the object, that object is likely to start accelerating from a relative absolute rest, or to put it more accurately a relative rest.