January 25th

American History X — Pinprick

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Always been one of the best 1990s films. Edward Norton did a magnificent acting.

Exactly. Apart of not being famous, most of the people make jokes on them. Antonio Leblanc is one of the actors who participated the most in those films. When I was a kid, I asked to my grandparents: who is Antonio Leblanc? And then they answered: "if the youngest don't know about Leblanc it means that the culture of Franco is no longer with us and that's a good symptom"

Bodas de sangre is a play of Lorca. Carlos Saura have put it on cinemas, so it is not original at all. Then, I don't consider it as a "Spanish film" when is all the ideas come from the works of Federico García Lorca.

When I met my wife she introduced me to Soviet movies, most of which I hadn’t heard of but which are massively popular in Russia and the other ex-Soviet countries. — Jamal

I never heard of those either. I guess this is due to the fact that Francisco Franco blocked all products and stuff from Soviet countries. I watched a post-Soviet film called "Burnt by the Sun" and it is a pretty good movie. The plot is based on Soviet times but the film is of 1994 so I guess we cannot consider it as "Soviet"!

On the other hand, it is interesting how your wife showed you "Soviet films". I mean, movies which represents how that era looked like. Here in Spain we had something similar in a cinema called "NO-DO". The films were about family topics about Franco's era and most of them were even so far from reality. If one day you watch one (I wish not) you would see they are so eccentric on the reality about middle-class families. Most of them are even available nowadays in a program called "cine de barrio" (it is special and is only available in Saturday) and only older people see them. I remember watching one with my grandmother and laughed at the actors and plot because everything was so forced.

oh yes, el hoyo is a good film! (It is basque too)

Well, I personally think that the quality is not good enough. You mentioned Almodovar's films but even their films are weird and wacky. The problem is not about the availability outside Spain, because if ours films were acceptable, many translators would pay for them. I guess that some cultures are more interesting than others. For example: I see that some users put a lot of films of Kurosawa and Ōzu in this thread and they are "so Japanese" and despite this fact, their movies are over the world and translated in different languages.
I must accept (and this is true) that Japanese culture is more interesting than Spanish one, it is a fact. I understand that for a foreigner could be boring our dramas about politics and territories.

Handia — Jamal

This film is so awesome. I wanted to recommended too and yes it is basque and it is also set in a rural area of Basque Country in the XIX century. Pretty good movie. It is still in Netflix.

It was available in Amazon Prime Video, but I think it was removed from the platform :confused:

I notice that nobody mentioned a film from Spain. I understand it because our film makers and industry are not good enough compared to America or Asia.
Nonetheless, I'd like to recommend to you my favourite film that are not so known by the people.

Vacas. It is a rural drama between two Basque families. To help you to understand, the plot of the film covers the years 1875 - 1936. There were social conflicts and civil wars but the film shows how the basque allied themselves despite the differences and controversies of families. There are scenes and dialogues related to metaphysics and the concept of time.
Note: cows (vacas) are a very important animal for basque families in rural areas.

Interesting paint, Baden. As you said, is a bit more sombre and that shades of green, purple, gray, etc... makes me feel a bit of anxiety for being lost there.
A representation of a lonely winter day in a hidden forest.

I liked it :up:

In the Mood for Love — Tom Storm

A masterpiece :up: :sparkle:

Mistakes can be re-written, overridden, and forgot about the moment you learned that you knew better....regret. Mistakes are made to remind. Mistakes are made to prepare. — Kizzy

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Depends on the interpretation. How we "measure" the mistakes?

It is inherent in our nature to make mistakes. We are not perfect machines or programs. Instead of asking, why do we make mistakes? I would ask: how many mistakes should I make to learn X?

I love almost everything I’ve seen out of Japan, which admittedly isn’t a lot. Ozu and Kurosawa are at the very top. Miyazaki is up there too. — Mikie

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They are in the top of Japanese films. I have seen all Ozu's films, and they are fantastic. We can learn of a complex culture such as Japanese one thanks to his works.
Another film I recommend of him is Good Morning (お早よう, Ohayō).

Perfect Blue and Paprika are anime films. Satoshi Kon is the director and he was a pure genius (sadly, he died of cancer in 2010...) his films are mixed with a sense of abstract, surrealism and a technique of different uses of colours. Whenever you watch anime, it is easy to recognise Satoshi Kon's works because his films are so original.

For example: You can see in the following video that his anime is based on surrealism but full of colours and weird characters.



In the other hand, Tokyo Monogatari is a 1953 film of Yosujiru Ozu. It is old but according to Japanese film historians, is one of the most important films of Japan. If you are not so interested in Japanese culture it could be boring because the plot is basically the ordinary life of a family in Tokyo and how the modernity is surpassing the traditional conventions of Japan after WWII. An iconic pic of the film is this one:

I live in Honduras and the situation is almost the same here as in England although for different reasons maybe.
The doctors and nurses go on strike and everyone bitches about how thoughtless the are. Transportation goes on strike and everyone bitches about how thoughtless they are. — Sir2u

Well, I think the huge difference between having strikes in Honduras and England is the fact that, in the latter the society still works and everything goes "correctly". It is not perfect the situation in England but at least there are not deficiencies towards the basic functionality of a state or community. Honduras (as the other countries of central America) has big problems... and they go further than just strikes.

I wish you the best of living there. Probably, it is just my own negative prejudices but it seems that the situation in Honduras, El Salvador, Nicaragua, etc... is pretty f*cked up (sorry for using bad words)

1. Perfect Blue
2. Pulp fiction
3. The Godfather (all the parts)
4. Tokyo Monogatari
5. A clockwork orange
6. Ikiru
7. Yojimbo
8. Ran
9. Akira
10. Paprika.

It never rains as everyome likes, right? — Alkis Piskas

Exactly :up:

But there's a simple explanation for this: The surface of the toast that is spread with stuff is heavier! — Alkis Piskas

Ha! I didn't realise that point. Now, it is clearer to me. I understand how is about, this goes more interesting every post.

It's a more certain than "probably": it will eventually happen at some point. — Alkis Piskas

So, there are 100 % of chances to actually happen X situation in Y moment. Then, we could assume there is not margin of error applying Murphy's law.

I am agree with your argument :up:

There is a saying in Spanish who says: nunca llueve a gusto de todos. This means that the interpretation of situations and circumstances are relative and subjective to each individual.
I felt like a stupid for forgetting the umbrella, but it is true that a farmer would be happy with the rains because it helps to his crops.

That's why, the only correct interpretation of Murphy's law is the probabilistic one, which is universal and objective. — Alkis Piskas

Is this why they use the example of the toast right?
If you're eating toast, and you accidentally bump it to the floor, it seems more likely to land buttered side down. This is one of the most common formulations of Murphy's Law--the tongue-in-cheek axiom that states "If something can go wrong, it probably will." If you [we] examine the toast problem rationally, surely you'd expect a fifty-fifty outcome, much like flipping a coin.

Interesting and original post.

To be honest, it is difficult to imagine a developed country such as Canada is the extreme situation of "everyone quitting their jobs" and "looting begins for both survival and criminal intent."
There are other options to fix up the problems and situations. If you are Canadian, you are lucky to live in one of the best and most developed countries of the world.

The Hispanic world is different and is not so far of what you proposed in your OP.
Venezuela, Argentina, Perú, etc... you can see all of them are acting in similar ways of your arguments. Nonetheless, the situation is not changing at all, and even the context turned out worse than before. This happens because they are societies without a clear structure or democracy. Violence doesn't help to fixing anything.

Thanks BC! Appreciate how you make clear the distinction between the two laws. It is an interesting topic, but I must admit that I am not confident enough to speak about. Anyway, it is always worthy to debate here about such philosophical topics even if some of us are not so acknowledged in them!
Always grateful when someone helps me here to understand whatever. :up:

I personally use it sometimes just for joking, e.g. when something goes wrong although the chances of this happening are small. — Alkis Piskas

I tend to use it as jokes too. I don’t see it pessimistic either. It is Interesting that, myself, use this theory to explain random situations or scenarios that I don’t understand. For example: the sky is cloudy but I say to myself: nah, zero chances of raining and I leave home without an umbrella. Then, starts raining. I laugh and start thinking about Murphy’s law.

Wynton Marsalis Septet at Jazz in Marciac 2015.

From what I could see, including in the Wikipedia article you linked, there are differences in opinion about how many died resulting from the inquisitions actions. I think there would be agreement that the numbers were much less than those killed in the conquest of the new world, which was taking place at about the same time. — T Clark

Thanks for having and investigate another perspective on the "dark" side of the history of my country, Clarky. Appreciated it.

Smith, I think it is the opposite: reality makes more pain and suffering than illusions.

I see, but I am only have one objection on your argument: who will be the responsable of the costs and losses? Everyone?
Because you are only speaking about profitable entities with limited liability, but what about those who are in bankruptcy?

Ok, let me know if I follow your arguments correctly. You want to avoid the presence of for-profit corporations towards the construction or development of public works such as roads or hospitals because according to your arguments, there is not a "quid pro quo" at all and those entities are just a gift of the government to a few businessmen who make profit thanks to public goods, right?

Well, if I am correct, who should invest in those public goods? Just the state with public tenders?

We had an industrial revolution based on partnerships. — Benkei

It is based on partnerships because most of the states, thus "public administrations" are not effective enough or they hold so much debts that it is impossible to maintain an order in the markets. The state's presence is not necessary for everything. Despite the fact our governments can approve laws to intervene them, the results didn't end up well, for example: Venezuela with a high rate of inflation and zero control in currencies or Argentina, 96 % of inflation and a structure where middle class doesn't even exists.

We can be agree with the fact that we should not concentrate all the resources in private companies, but this is something about competency not state intervention.
As @ssu expressed: an important part of the profits from companies go to salaries of the workers who feed their families. The owner or stakeholder doesn't hold "everything". In the other hand, if the state public funds go into bankruptcy, there will be a lot of workers without being paid, like ot happens in Sri Lanka or Pakistan. The public servants of these countries cannot be paid because their countries have been accumulated so much international debt.

1. Parasitic: in a relationship, one gains and the other loses
2. Symbiotic: in a relationship, both register a gain

Morality is, by the looks of it, all about symbiosis and reducing parasitism. — Agent Smith

Well said, Smith! :up: :100:

If the same crime was committed by anyone on this thread, they'd be in a cell right now. — Merkwurdichliebe

Well, that what happens when you are a normal/ordinary citizen. We don't have the same amount of power of politicians to have control over the courts and judges. It occurs there in America and here in Europe. It is not about Trump vs Biden. Do not be that blind of fighting due to politicians. It is obvious that the politicians will use their power to be "unstoppable" while we are here discussing for whatever, while they do not care.

wealthiest to continue having total freedom and never face punishment — Bug Biro

Sooner or later they face punishment. Most of the politicians who were corrupt or made illegal activity, ended up condemned by judges. The scandals of the richest were uncovered and they suffered a big punishment by both society and courts. Some examples:

1. Impeachment of Bill Clinton: Bill Clinton, was impeached by the United States House of Representatives of the 105th United States Congress on December 19, 1998, for "high crimes and misdemeanors". Charges: Perjury, obstruction of justice, abuse of power. Despite Clinton remained in power, his personal image was depleted in the next elections.

2. Jeffrey Epstein's child prostitution: Epstein was arrested again on July 6, 2019, on federal charges for the sex trafficking of minors in Florida and New York. Epstein's lawyers have disputed the ruling, and there has been significant public skepticism about the true cause of his death, resulting in numerous conspiracy theories.

. Probably many people would choose to be moral instead accepting bottomless funds and unprecedented freedom to do anything freely, good or bad. — Bug Biro

Fortunately, most of the people is in the first group. Otherwise, the world would never had progressed in centuries.

First of all, this is impossible to reach out:

The initiative of no cash and no cost is considered the most helpful remedy gifted to humans by humans and sparks rapid progress in the accomplishment of a near-perfect existence for all of us. — Bug Biro

In the other hand, I am somehow agree with you arguments on conspiracy but I object that it looks like all societies work as you described and that's a fallacy.
We don't have perfect countries, communities, organisations, etc... it is true, but we have to consider some examples which work with efficiency: I guess Nordic countries such Denmark, Norway, Finland or Sweden can fit on what you are looking for. Their population is relatively small, public administrations work good, politicians are not so corrupted, there are a lot of civic people, etc... so, in my view, I doubt that conspiracy has a clue in Nordic countries at all.
The richest - as you targeted - only operate with evil practices in the countries they are allowed to do so. It is not the same being a monopoly in Mexico where the justice doesn't even existence, that in European Union where is the markets are controlled.

Note: I am not pretending to say that European Union is perfect compared to Mexico (for example). My point is the fact that conspiracies have more deep impacts in some countries than others.

You have a good sensei and he is trying to teach you something important: how to understand and respect time.

It is not about having better or worse skills. I even think that your sensei is already aware of your talent. He wants to teach you not "travelling" or "going" that fast in your life. Respect the days, months, weeks, years, etc... every second is important. I would not call it "bad patience" but good practice.

Let’s say I’ve got a goal of earning a black belt before I turn 20 and my twentieth birthday is approaching. Im skilled enough for a black belt but my sensei wants me to wait longer because he wants me to be patient but by waiting longer it will take me past my twentieth birthday so I will not achieve my goal — HardWorker

Why do you consider as a "goal" to get the black belt before turning 20? What will you do when you will be 30? If everything happens that fast... it will disappear fast too.
Your sensei is teaching you a path of life not just physical skills. He is trying to explain that Karate can be part of you the rest of your life if you learn how to manage time.

The only explanation of my existence is death. Our lives are ephemeral, and we try to avoid the perpetual thought of death approach doing different activities. I don't want to sound critical with death, I even want a limited life. That's the cause and explanation of my existence: The fact that I will die one day. While I am touring this path of existence, I want to make the less pain possible and I realised that the only way to do so is thanks to loneliness. This is the main reason why I don't want to get married or have kids. I don't deserve it and my time either.

What are your ethical, epistemological or personal views related to existence? — Benj96

We live in an age in which there is no heroic death.

- Mishima.

Like they don't understand that the job of every politician is to deceive the public. — Tzeentch

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It appears that a lack of regulation inevitably leads to disaster in markets of this type. — frank

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if it is necessary, yes.

Clearly the collectivist believes otherwise - they believe they are entitled to the individual's cooperation, which is why they demand their departure when the individual refuses.

This entitlement stems from a belief that they are right, and therefore the individual has no right to refuse, and no right to exist if he does. — Tzeentch

Maybe I am the only one who see it in that way, but isn't it how a country should works?

Surely for someone to commit suicide they must be deeply unhappy, or am I missing something? — Tzeentch

Yes, you are missing the fact that Japanese citizens conceive death differently as we do and probably unhappiness is not the main causes. There were hundreds of samurai who died killing themselves doing "seppuku" just to save their dignity and integrity. This cultural identity and heritage has passed through to all japanese citizens in the modern era. I don't want to go off from the main topic but there are a lot of interesting book related to this topic like "Runaway horses" by Yukio Mishima. Please, read it, you will like it.

You, apparently. Weren't you just now wondering about that? — Tzeentch

No, it was you the debater who talked about happiness. I was referring to efficiency not caring at all if such group is happy or unhappy.