as well as release (leak) of Putin's Bitch's embarrassing & damning tax returns – also (I hope) before the midterm elections – along with the J6 Select Committee's Preliminary Report. :clap:

My
Ass
Got
Arrested! — 180 Proof

:rofl: :death: That was a clever rhythm!

We are never totally, absolutely or actually free, are we? Freedom is something relative. — Alkis Piskas

Agreed. Very good thought :up:

"sense of freedom" has indeed a meaning. — Alkis Piskas

Which kind of meaning? Are you referring to politics or democracy?

You cannot predict if after the death of the dictator some other worse dictatorship could arise. — Babbeus

Well, this conjecture didn't even exist in the beginning. If we constantly wonder what would happen with the dictator we would end up in an infinite loop. I guess the debate goes further: is it worthy to kill a "dictator" because our negative thoughts on him would prevent a mass genocide?

Here I have seen that there are different opinions about whether you should consider
actual consequences
predictable consequences
intended consequences
likely consequences — Babbeus

Interesting, indeed. Thanks for sharing. :100:

One suffers doubly whenever one suffers without *purpose.
Thus, "value" manifest by habits (virtues) which reduce net suffering (disvalue). — 180 Proof

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A glass half-empty kind of guy, eh? — noAxioms

No, just a hopelessness guy. I would see the glass completely empty.

It reduces one to being doped up on Heroin without end. — noAxioms

I think not. I always felt this feeling and I never had motivations to get some drugs. I just accept that is better to not make plans or "dreams". I try to survive not to live a life.

Nothingness is pure and poetic. Life tend to be fulfilled with unpleasantness. When an individual is aware of everything around him it has more chances of suffering pain due to conciousness.
But if you say to me that there is nothing after death I would take it as the pure freedom act. No more hate, disgrace, pain, disappointments, illnesses, etc...
For me nothingness after death is the real Nirvana. No more complaining about literally everything which "fulfilled" our lives.

Picture the nothingness is not scary at all. It gives a sense of freedom and rest. We have to face death and understand this natural process. Don't be scared and everything would be fine.
Mass suicide is worthless because suicide itself should be seen from an individualistic point of view. Killing myself could be a respectful and honourable act if I do not want keep living. I am not afraid of having this feeling when I become older.

that there is probably nothing in the afterlife, etc, and not feel bad about it, not lose motivation to live another day. — Skalidris

Why would we feel "bad" after thinking that there is nothing in the afterlife?

What would it mean to say Christianity is true? Is this a philosophical question or a historical/scientific one? Which version of Christianity would you want tested in this way? — Tom Storm

Good questions Tom :up: :100:

this isn't the ONLY time these partying videos have gotten out. I think last year was already was video of Sanna partying with artists (many the same group). — ssu

Wow she is recidivist... what a totally lost of hope towards her.

Some of Sanna's friends using the prime ministers residence information room to get cool photos. She first tried to say the pictures were taken at the toilet. Notice the same "Finland" sign and Sanna himself has acknowledged that they are genuine, which she regrets.) — ssu

Immature people having fun with Immature girl. Superb. If her "friends" get to easily to prime ministers residence... how can we know if a spy or enemy doesn't have the same chances?

But now we are here in the phase where she apologizes with nearly breaking up in tears ...and telling that Ukrainians have it worse. — ssu

Demagogy.

seppuku — Fooloso4

Nobody understands such honourable act. We live in another era. She doesn't fit in the way of Bushido. But it is ok and I respect it. Anyone is not able to maintain such level of loyalty and integrity.

How is she doing in that regard? — Fooloso4

We can be agree here in the fact that she is actually a good politician. But I personally think you are mixing some points. Being an "efficient" politician doesn't allow you to be immature or having private parties.
As I said previously: a public representative should not mixed their responsibility with private whims. I still think we have to expect from them more rectitude. If she doesn't want to be so "booooring" don't be a politician then

Arigato gozaimus — Agent Smith

ありがとうございます!

Philosophy is inherently critical. Any Christian philosopher worth their salt would put their efforts into disproving Christianity. — Banno

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The assumption by many seems to be 'politics is sober and serious, please don't have a life too.' — Tom Storm

I wonder who else is covered under this assumption, doctors, lawyers, Sunday school teachers? — Fooloso4

No, because those professionals tend to work in private institutions. They are paid by ownership fees or they are employed workers.
But a politician is a public representative of a state.. She is not an average lawyer or teacher she is de the damn Prime Minister of a country...

Then I hope you never gain any position of authority Javi.
I am glad Senna is a leader and you are not — universeness

Don't worry. I am confident with myself that modern society doesn't understand me.
I will never get to an authority position. I don't like politics

Are you typing that you would have fought for the Japanese in WWII? — universeness

Completely, yes. If the nation of Bushido ever required me to do so.

Or merely that you advocate for a society which promotes — universeness

This too.

Never forget how to dance Javi, — universeness

I hate dance and everything related to parties and music.

In the lead-up to World War II, and throughout the war, the Japanese government pushed an ideology called "imperial bushido" on the citizens of Japan. It emphasized Japanese military spirit, honor, self-sacrifice, and unwavering, unquestioning loyalty to the nation and to the emperor. — universeness

Completely beautiful. This is how a nation should move and progress. That text explains perfectly what I expect from a regular politician or public representative.

Do you wish to impose upon politician that which is imposed by such horrors as Sharia law, which also restricts woman in such ridiculous ways based on theistic nonsense. — universeness

Hmm... I guess I never quoted Sharia law or other "horrors" in this discussion. I only hope to have more decent and mature politicians. Simple.

I respect that, Javi, and I have read how important this is for you. Bushido - new word for me — Tom Storm

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:up: thanks Tom

I don't expect leaders to be perfect or to role play sober righteousness — Tom Storm

This is why I feel I was born in the wrong era. I see I am wrong but I literally expect from them righteousness, purity, honour, etc... more or less as samurai leaders were back then in Japan for example. The Bushido principle.

to be honest. — universeness

Completely. You are approaching to my point then

I prefer my politicians to act human and not some fake archetype of virtuosity. — universeness

According to your thoughts, how is to "act human"?

"Christian philosophy" too, it seems, had died on that cross with the first and last Christian. — 180 Proof

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What we should expect from our representatives is to manage political problems, manage a country, solve socio-economic issues and possibly have a vision about where we should go to — Benkei

Fully agreed. But not any person can manage such complex responsibility. How can we expect from the PM to solve inflation or unemployment if she is not responsible with herself? This is what I wanted to mean with my points.
Probably I am wrong but I cannot imagine a politician taking care of big problems if she/he is involved in private parties. It is not related to drugs or dance it is about rectitude and maturity.

If you don't understand drug use and addiction, you can't regulate it in a manner that makes sense. — Benkei

You can take part in this issue through many ways. I guess it is not necessary to go to a party in Ibiza to understand that drug abuse is painful to your health...

It would mean she has no idea about life, — Benkei

Here is we disagree and it is fine. We have totally different concepts of life. What I wanted to say in your thread is the fact that we should expect more righteousness from a public representative. If she loves to be a young lady (despite she is already 36 years old) is ok but please do not be a politician then.

I'm a bit disappointed the drug test turned out negative to be honest. — Benkei

I personally think is not funny at all. There are a lot of young people who die because of overdose every year...

I can’t prove that you’re joking, but I’ll assume you are. No one can really believe such idiocy. — Xtrix

I am not joking. Why am I call a mad man when I only pretend to establish purity?

You mistake the illusion of a staid public image for statecraft. Appearance over substance. — Fooloso4

That's what politicians are. Appearance...

Imagine being offended by a woman dancing at a private party. How truly pathetic. — Xtrix

We are not speaking about a random woman. She is the public representative of Finland.

My own take on the "dark forest" analogy is much less anthropic (or anthropocentric) than Liu Cixin's. Here are links to old posts on two old threads: — 180 Proof

:up: :100: Thanks for sharing!

Is having sex "unprofessional" or beneath the dignity of the office? — Xtrix

Yes. As I said previously. If you cannot avoid "private" affairs, you are not ready for public responsibility.

Thanks for understanding me friend. That's the word I was looking for: maturity. Excellent. She is a damn 36 years old PM of Finland not an university student...

Then why not discuss what she has done professionally rather than clutching your pearls because she was videoed dancing at a private party? — Fooloso4

But Benkei started this OP to debate about this specific behaviour not her professional agenda...

It is unprofessional because of her behaviour. It is not all about to "dance" in a "private" party. We are not debating about a normal person as you and me but the PM of Finland.
We should expect more straightness from a PM. We even criticised Boris Johson for the same reason when he was partying at downing street

A politician should not be involved in "private" affairs because she is a public representative. If you cannot avoid private practices, do not be a politician and stay as an average person in society.
Some of the characteristics of a good politician are transparency and straightness

No. It is not about double standard. She is the PM and public representative of a nation. She has the aim to act in the most honorable and rectitude way possible. We are living in a difficult social context and we expect from a statesman to be, at least, professional. Right?
It is quite contradictory, isn't it? Probably she has the average discourse of how to be an exemplary citizen and look at her dancing and acting like an immature teenager.

:up: :fire: Agreed.



I wish technology is not able to solve the nature of passing away. Death is one of the purest conditions of humankind. If we develop worthy plans and projects is precisely for this reason because our time on the earth is limited. When a person passes away, it flourishes a different concept about him: the one you had when this person was alive and the one you have now when is dead.

Any response to whatever stimuli totally depends on whoever is at the receiving end, the (collective) size of the receiving end and the interpretation of gesture, motivation and movement at both ends. — Seeker

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