When were the first mechanized timekeepers used in science? — VincePee

I think it was the Babylonian time system the first clockwork or timekeepers ever created. They used to manage the time according to the sun.
Check out: The Babylonian Calendar

The beginning of the month in the Babylonian calendar was determined by the direct observation by priests of the young crescent moon at sunset after the astronomical New Moon. This custom is remembered in Judaism and Islâm with the principle that the new calendar day begins at sunset.

Are their any loopholes in this same pattern of thinking? — FarEastNationThinker65

Yes. Since the moment that Machiavelli theories are only applied on how to rule a state. It is difficult to see the connection of "the ends justify the means" with the "gain of love"

Boris Johnson seems no fool at all, though at times he plays one rather well — tim wood

It is also interesting this technique. Politicians tend to act more stupid or ignorant than they are in real life or in the "shadows". Bush did so on Irak crisis. But I do not understand why they use this technique just to get away from problems usually. When I vote a political party and their leader is due to my confidence on them that the situation would be better because they are capable of managing a whole country.

Are we now in an age where politicians can sacrifice integrity for expediency so obviously and get away with it? — Tim3003

Good question. Sadly, yes, the average politician sacrifice their integrity just to get away from problems or made decisions. It is so obvious that is why we get mad, right?
To be honest, this "technique" or "trick" (whatever we can name it) is so common in modern politics. If you want to be a politician I guess you have to be ready to sacrifice morality and integrity to climb on powerful positions.
Citizens? These will no longer care for the government anymore since the moment they win the elections.

Yes! You are right. We create words to make them international. Inside plane or journeys vocabulary is more common. For example: Check in when you have to register or just notice that you are already on the airport. Here in Spain we just say check in, we do not translate it to Spanish.

I think the barrier could be vocabulary. There are some words that cannot be translated at all because probably in English speaker country the word doesn't not exist at all.
For example, in my language there is a profession called pospós or trapero. This is a person who picks clothes from the street, make some new renewable ones and then sell it cheaper that was back then. Probably this also exists in English speakers countries but I can't find the exactly word of your vocabulary.

Health Ministry announces details about COVID-19 third vaccine

Most of the countries are already taking actions to ensure the third vaccine in the coming months or year.

The groups which can go ahead with the booster shot against COVID-19 have been determined by the Health Ministry and include those living and working in nursing homes, those aged 65 and over, health professionals and those who are immunosuppressed and or are immunodeficient.

Aire.
Agua del cielo.
Pero, ¡Que peces, madre
Qué peces tan lento abajo se van!
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Air.
Water of the sky.
But, what fishes, mother
What fishes so slow down they go!

Note: This is not a haiku.

Another poem from Yong Tae Min. I guess this poem is referring to the drops of the rain. Fish as an animal from the sea, could be related to water. Thus, the little drops converted on fishes that so slow down they go like swimming in a cascade.

Interesting article. I going to check it out later on with more concentration.

Is it wrong to have children?

Yes, absolutely. It is even a selfish act having children in nowadays when everything is surrounded to violence and hate. If it is not worthy to have kids when you are a normal/regular person imagine when you are a theft or a drug dependent. These kind of people shall not be able to have the right of having kids at all.

Classical Indian Philosophy, P. Adamson & J. Ganeri — 180 Proof

So interesting indeed :up: :flower: it is important to look into Asian philosophy sometimes.

It has to be almost instantaneous, or does it ? — Amity

Exactly. It is like a photo or a paint. The sun goind down in the afternoon. The moon raising up in the night. A beautiful butterfly fluttering around, etc...
The ability of freeze these life experiences in a poem is extraordinary. It is not more than 19 syllables but it says everything. I have a tiny book about haiku what is called "peeing in the snow". The main author argue that the nature of these poems is more what you do not say that what you say actually. He warns that we should not explain so much the Haiku after it is written because we can destroy their nature. It is so much interesting.

they just do it automatically? — Amity

I think yes. They can do so automatically. They wrote a lot of haiku back in the day so probably they just followed the pattern as we drink water or see a boat leaving from the port. The basic rules of Haiku were the life emotions to them

There's so much here, it's incredible. Need to keep scrolling, scrolling... — Amity

True! This is so awesome and beautiful. I am so interested on it. Probably it can take even months or years but Haiku is already part of my life.

Interesting point of view, Amity. It opens and interesting debate if we should consider Taneda Santoka's works as haiku when sometimes he changed the pattern of the poem. I think in overall we can say Santoka was a good haiku master but sometimes he used to not care about the classical pattern.
But it is true that if we are sharing haiku poems, at least, they have to respect the pattern. We can also find some works of Santoka that are so related to.

あるがまま雑草として芽をふく
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Así, tal cual,
como hierbas que son,
los brotes se abren
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As is well,
As leafs they are,
Buds open.

Note: sorry if it doesnt fit the pattern. I translated it to English by myself... :fear:

It does not fit the classical pattern because Taneda Santoka changed it. He wanted to revolution the classical pattern of 5/7/5. Sometimes is usual to see in their poems some variations from the original haiku.
But here is a classical good one:

even a horse.
arrests my eyes—on this.
snowy morrow
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uma wo sae
nagamuru yuki no
ashita kana

By
Matsuo Bashō

Oh! I thought it was a haiku. Well, I want to share with you a real haiku then.

It is debating the decadence of a summer
At the cafeteria.
Butterflies flutter.
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Kafe ni Dekadan o ronzu natsu no chō toberi.

By Taneda Santoka.

Which one?

You know a lot about poetry. Great to have you on the TPF team. I — TheMadFool

Thank you so much for this comment! It cheered me up! When I was a kid I used to write poetry in my notebook. Sometimes I think if I make a good effort I could write good poems and participate in some competitions.

Leaves fall
And pile up;
Rain beats on rain. — Gyōdai

Beautiful Haiku :flower: I will check Gyodai more deeply beacuse I never heard about him until today.

So, metaphysically speaking, poems, whether rhythm/rhyme, are clocks, linguistic clocks. What say you? — TheMadFool

Yes, it is true. There are a lot of different types or manners to compound a poem. Haiku is the one I love the most because it is so philosophical. It doesn't even rhyme at all but this is why I guess it sounds so good.
One of the objectives of poetry, as Taneda Santoka explained back in the day, is freezing a particular moment in our life: the sunset, night, moon, nostalgia, parents, etc... Probably this is what we can consider as rhythm.

Has something been lost in translation? — TheMadFool

Probably. This is why translation is key in these poems. I don't know if it is accurate at all. My book version is in Spanish and the author who translated it explains to me that he did his best to translate Kanji in our vocabulary.
For example:
Gogori to
Kusa ni
Fundoshi kawaita.
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Un revolcon en la hierba
Los calzoncillos ya
Están secos.
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A scramble in the grass
My pants are
Already drought.
- Taneda Santoko.

The translator explained that was difficult to interpret Kusa ni which literally is when you fall in to the grass o field. In Spanish means "revolcón". I searched and English means "Scramble"

For all intensive purposes, I think that it is not only a good source, but a rather valuable one, particularly for anyone researching Marxist theory. As it concerns publishing rights, to me, this is a clear cut case of works that belong in the public domain. — thewonder

Never heard about this until today. Thanks for sharing it with us. I going to check it out more deeply because it sounds interesting. Also, I am agree that is looks like an accurate research source.

does our cultural hegemony effect what we consider as veritable? — thewonder

Good question. I think it is about institutions and developing a good image inside Academia. When you see a paper from an author which has published on Oxford or Cambridge you quickly give to him or her so much credibility. This happens because both British universities have reached a very good standard and position in Academia during years. When you publish a paper in their files you can earn a lot of prestige and then many other universities want to collaborate with you as well. Also, we have to admit that in these universities were raised and educated some Nobel laureates. I guess they deserve such big respect.
But it is true that there are other research sources that are important too and not necessarily come from big Western universities. I wonder how is the image on Japanese or Chinese universities because it is common to think that they are so difficult to study there and publish some papers. I guess what truly makes the difference could be both languages and culture.
It is so difficult to understand a research paper on Japanese and sometimes when it is translated to English is not so accurate...

To be honest I usually think that we tend to confuse the concept of love with respect. The admiration I have on my parents is not about love but respect. Plato warned back in the day that "love is a serious mental disease" I do not know how right he can be at all but it is true that the concept of love is not well understood at all.
Sometimes love itself can be dangerous and toxic. People can get mad over others because they "love" them.
Aspects and customs as "Valentines day" are just related to consuming. Companies need love to see products. As they need Christmas to do the same.

I enjoy this kind of poetry. Haiku or hokku. — Amity

Me too. It is so pretty and philosophical.

But where would you find snow in summer ? — Amity

haha! true you are right! but Haiku poems have to be interpreted to the different stations in the year. We are not in winter yet so we have to wait to understand and experience this haiku.

Who wants or needs to buy a hat - when - why ? — Amity

It is interesting to point out that in Japan is common to wear a hat just for everything. More usual if you are worker in a farm. Probably this is why Basho is referring to a hat. Nevertheless, I do not want to sound so simple because this poem goes further than just the practical meaning of a hat.

いざさらば雪見にころぶ所迄 iza saraba / yukimi ni korobu / tokoromade
   now then, let's go out / to enjoy the snow ... until / I slip and fall! [1688] — Wiki: Basho

:flower: :up:

Venid, amigos:
¿Quién me compra un sombrero
lleno de nieve?
- Matsuo Basho.
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come here, friends:
who wants to purchase a hat
full of snow?

I think Basho master is referring to snow as purity or infinite. The stations and meteorology are very important to Japanese culture. The simplicity of life can be related to white color interpretation and thus, to snow. A hat? I guess this is due to this garment is put on our heads and filled our knowledge and dreams.

What we are left with is the virtue of the person making the choice. — Banno

This can be pretty subjective too because sometimes we forget to have empathy with the persons who committed the choice. This aspect can be applied on the context of taboo topics as suicide or police/military actions where the life of persons are lost or in risk.

Generally there are three approacher to ethnics: Following rules; examine the consequences of one's actions; and becoming a better person. The question is, which is to be master? — Banno

I think we should put on the table the principle of value inside ethics. It is not about the master of those approachers but how we rate or value them according to our education. Probably they are not even connected on a hierarchical aspect but of correlation. The main objective could be the development of value about ethics practice and way of living.

"variant porn". — Olivier5

Oh wow! the press and media do not know what to say anymore... we can also find out other names too. I would name it the mustard variant

Hopefully, I can turn some of this into a blog. It will require much more contemplation, critical thinking, and questioning, though. I will link this page as a source on said blog, if it ever happens. :) — Josh Alfred

You can do it! :up: this topic sounds interesting to write about in a blog. Whenever you finish our are ready you can share it to me because I am interested in read it.

and also @T Clark for creating this beautiful thread. Here is my philosophical poem:

¿Olas o alas?
Olas: Alas del agua.
¿y las gaviotas?
Alas del mar.
¿Vienen o van?
Vienen y se van.
¿Nave o nube?
Nube: Nave de la luna.
¿la luna?
Si, momia del agua. - Yong Tae Min.
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English translation by me (sorry if is broke or something but I do not trust Google in this context).

Waves or wings?
Waves: The wings of water.
And the seagulls?
Wings of the sea.
Do they come or they leave?
They come and they leave.
Ship or cloud?
Cloud: The ship of the moon.
The moon?
Yes, the mummy of the water.

If you want check more about the author: Yong-Tae Min

My interpretation of this poem from Yong goes on two ways: White colour reflection (seagulls, moon, ship, etc...) and also freedom (that could be related to white colour itself) when he speaks about the arbitrate movement from de seagulls: "they come and they leave" as much as the waves of the sea. when we see animals flying we tend to interpret it as a freedom metaphor.

US withdrawal from Afghanistan will lead to EU army, says top diplomat

Better late than never.

“They need to wake up and take then their own responsibilities,” said Borrell of the EU’s capitals. “This is nothing against Nato or the US alliance. It is a way of getting stronger and facing our responsibility and mobilising our resources to face the challenges that we will have to face.”

Hello wanderoff,

To be honest with you, I think yes. But furthermore politicians and their strategy to reach out to the power, the real problem here is press. Every politician needs more or less a good "image" according to them because most of the people would put their vote just for appearance.
This is somehow censorship. If you do not fit in their views you have the risk to be kicked out of scenario. Then, in this context, your political rivalry can be advantaged of.
Also, programs of control are so useful in dictatorship countries. Check out Belarus or China.

How might the utility of an idea be measured? — Josh Alfred

Agreed with the answer you provided to us but I also want to point out another one. I think we can measure the utility of an idea considering of how effective it is to both parts: the one who developed the idea and then the other who perceive it.
Probably when we are debating about the utility in ideas we have to emphasize how effective would be when we spread it to others.

:up:
en español ? — Amity

Sí! Y también en inglés.

— Scottish Poetry Library - Jenni Fagan

https://www.scottishpoetrylibrary.org.uk/poem/narcissist-light-stasher/ — Amity

Thanks for sharing Amity :up: It was a really good poem. Also, this thread looks so good and I never noticed it until today. I going to publish one poem in the following days.

I think is not a paradox but an equilibrium. Buddhism is about (in a general perspective) of trying to figure out a point where all our emotions or awareness can be together. I guess this is why illusion and dissatisfaction is related to those Buddhist principles. Maya and dukkha could be the power to make an equilibrium on truth

Jamón Ibérico is a Spanish dish which comes from the pig's leg. We season it at special stables. The prices of these pieces (depending on the pig's race) could be around 1.000 or 5.000 €. But this luxury food are only bought by the Japanese :sad:

That's paella... I hate it as a Mediterranean dish :lol: Here I show you a good Latin dish we can share and probably Don Quijote liked it:

True. All of the European money goes to corrupt politicians in those countries. But what really surprises me is the fact that Erdogan does not want money neither refugees... What is he trying to? I guess geopolitical strategy towards Russia.

I understand your point. Yes, they are immigrants but when they have the special condition of refugee the rest of the states are forced to help them out because they are leaving due to political or civil war issues. If we erase the refugee term we have to be aware that all of the persons from broken countries will no longer be protected anymore.

Yes, I am agree with you. I think the principle objective is keep them on countries closer to their culture. But I guess that is somehow immoral that those countries would not do anything to help them out without money...

EU plans big cash offer for Afghanistan’s neighbors to host refugees

Interesting. European Union is offering 600M € to avoid the refugees and keep them on Turkey, Pakistan or India.
Thoughts? Is this immoral?