But yes, idealism has difficulty in avoiding solipsism, as I’ve explained previously. It usually needs God’s help. — Banno
Schopenhauer is vociferously atheist. — Quixodian
Reflecting on the incidents led me to the idea that there are two very different types of Jesus: 1) New Testament Jesus and 2) personal Jesus. New Testament Jesus is the Jesus of scripture, the character described in Matthew, Mark, Luke, John, and other New Testament books. Personal Jesus is the Jesus as imagined by some person. Everyone who believes in Jesus believes in their own personal Jesus. The relation of the believer and personal Jesus is identical to the relation of Sir Arthur Conan Doyle to Sherlock Holmes; it’s identical to the relation of J. K. Rowling to Harry Potter. — Art48
I think the importance of major thinkers consists in just a very few insights central to the human condition, and the rest, all the arguments designed to justify those ideas are relatively tedious, obsessively driven filler. Of course, I am speaking only for myself.
When I read, and I do read a lot, but in a very scattered fashion, I read mainly for aesthetic pleasure. I need a story, rather than a complex argument, to hold my attention; I just have little confidence that following along, sloggin' it, with a complicated argument will yield any fruit worth the effort in the end. Life is short... — Janus
But supposing there was a god, can we all agree that this world is sufficiently evil enough to account for an evil god? — schopenhauer1
I think it's much broader and more diffuse than that - it's rejection of whatever is considered 'the supernatural' or even 'the sacred' (or arguably the identification of 'the sacred' with 'the natural') — Quixodian
I think ucarr is correct in identifying the conviction that life arises from non-life (abiogenesis) is central to that belief system. — Quixodian
I'm not atheist, although I have no doubt my Christian forbears would believe me so. — Quixodian
Would you welcome god(s) to break bread with you before making such offer to fundamentalists? — ucarr
As far as what I learned from this conversation, I'm wondering if, above all else, atheism seeks to deny necessary supplication before a dictatorial overlord in the sky via belief in abiogenesis devoid of intent. — ucarr
Settling down means accepting the good and bad of your environment; settling down means taking responsibility for your interaction with the environment. You settle down based on static premises, yet you yourself are not. Why not leave when you feel like it? Why not bask in the boundless potential of anywhere? Why not always search? Why not always discover? — Ø implies everything
As a scientist, I do not know of anyone who uses a 'scientific method'. Imagine a private investigator trying to solve a case. They can build on the experience of themselves and others, but ultimately they will use whatever currently legitimate tools are available. — Richard Goldstein
There is, in short, a constantly evolving array of scientific methods, tools, and techniques of inquiry—methods, tools, etc., often local to specific scientific fields, though sometimes proving useful elsewhere, too. Insofar as these methods, tools, and techniques stretch scientists’ imaginative powers, extend their unaided evidential reach, refine their appraisal of where evidence points, and help sustain honesty, provide incentives to the patience and persistence required by scientific work, and facilitate the communication of results, they enable progress: better measurements, better theories, more sensitive instruments, subtler techniques, finer-grained experimental design, more informative terminology, and so on.
The physicist is a wizard who summons nuclear fire, perhaps to destroy cities, perhaps to save the world with cheap energy. The biologist tweaks the code of life, perhaps to summon pandemics, perhaps to end aging forever.
What can the philosopher offer ? — plaque flag
While others could become the stuff of history? Does philosophy still contribute? When you are reading it, do you feel you are contributing? — Pantagruel
Studying and teaching philosophy does not make one a "real philosopher". Like Plato, Nietzsche is an elitist. The real philosopher is the rare exception. Whatever light the philosopher brings to the cave it remains a cave. The transformation brought about by philosophy is self-transformation. — Fooloso4
While much is made of Nietzsche’s Dionysian desires, it is the Apollonian maxim: know thyself, that is central to Nietzsche. But to know yourself you must become who you are. This is not a matter of discovery but of creation. Nietzsche takes the exhortation to become who you are from the Greek poet Pindar. — Fooloso4
That's interesting -- and then, upon trying the cure we find it unsatisfactory, so we think "time to try another one" and so the loop continues. — Moliere
I think I just got stuck on philosophy, basically. I found more satisfying answers, and more importantly questions and methods, there. But also I've never really hidden the fact that my motivations come from a religious background. — Moliere
Interesting. From what I know, psychology does not believe in soul or spirit or anything that is non-physical. — Alkis Piskas
But preparing a patient for death? Well, I can't even imagine how a session with the patient would look or sound like. — Alkis Piskas
some examples or references, esp. about "preparing a patient for death", from the persons included in your list? — Alkis Piskas
My experience of discussing philosophy over the years has been an experience largely consisting of debates centred on umbrella terms.
— Judaka
e.g. "Philosophy" ... — 180 Proof
that what we need to grasp is that all we know of existence — whether of an immediate object or the Universe at large — is a function of our world-making intelligence, the activity of the sophisticated hominid forebrain which sets us apart from other species. That’s what ‘empirical reality’ consists of. After all, the definition of ‘empirical’ is ‘based on, concerned with, or verifiable by observation or experience.’ — Quixodian
So, asking of the Universe ‘How does it exist outside our observation or experience of it?’ is an unanswerable question. But there is no need to posit a ‘mind at large’ to account for it, because there’s nothing to account for. — Quixodian
when one sees the origination of the world as it actually is with right discernment, "non-existence" with reference to the world does not occur to one. When one sees the cessation of the world as it actually is with right discernment, "existence" with reference to the world does not occur to one.' 1 — Quixodian
Tom Storm 'what we take to be material objects would have a jerky life, suddenly leaping into being when we look at them' - this illustrates one of the fundamental misconceptions of idealism in my view. — Quixodian
The whole point of idealist philosophy is to come to understand the constitutive role of the mind in the generation of experience. And you can actually see that awareness growing in modern cultural discourse, with phenomenology being one of the key tributaries of it. But Berkeley, Kant, and Schopenhauer are all significant precursors to it (god bless 'em). — Quixodian
Do you have a belief with respect to what does bring happiness? — Moliere
In making the argument for or against Heidegger we get to see what the values of philosophy are that people hold, though. — Moliere
Any idea why? — Moliere
The rejoinder would be -- if your decisions didn't make you happier, then were they really wise or is that a strike against the philosophy? — Moliere
it might not reach to the levels of proper philosophy - — Moliere
after you come to realize that you're the one that's attracted to this or that idea, and realize the ideas don't really line up, then you start asking questions like that -- and that's when you're at least starting on the path to philosophy proper, because you're no longer just asking about yourself, but also others. — Moliere
people were looking for an answer, after all, so they decided to sell them one. — Moliere
What else would wisdom be other than the kind of knowledge that leads one to make better decisions? — Moliere
I'd be surprised to find philosophy resembles psychology, actually. — Moliere
And what's up with this "appealing"? What are the aesthetics of ideas, if any? Or is it mere attachment and accident? — Moliere
And if philosophy's purpose is to bring people to happiness, then there's no need for the happy person to learn philosophy. But life has a way of bringing pain, and we have a way of making ourselves miserable, so the philosopher offers possible salves for the injured if they come to want them. — Moliere
Where in psychiatry or psychotherapy appear the subjects of "caring for soul" and "preparation for death"? — Alkis Piskas
I gave my definition - activities that promote self-awareness. — T Clark
You call it projection, I call it empathy. I think it's the source of our ability to care for each other. — T Clark
This task would be for my own interest, not necessarily for the interest of others but I’m sure some would take an interest in these ideas. — Dermot Griffin
I see your point. But I think the idea of “well-meaning or messianic others” is exactly what I think the problem is. — Dermot Griffin
I personally see theism as an aid to living well but I don’t blame people who don’t believe in a Supreme Being. — Dermot Griffin
There needs to be a rational inquiry into what constitutes a good life, a life that knows how to navigate suffering and find meaning rather than the fads that we find in the self help community. — Dermot Griffin
I am not irritated. I was considering my own personal reasons.
I will keep my wondering to myself, as requested. — Paine
I've toyed with involvements in spiritual organizations, but I have never been a committed believer in any of that. I came to it, because I hoped for the kind of transformations via meditation or other exercises that I had experienced via painting, drawing, writing, reading, playing and listening to music, hiking and camping in the wilderness, lovemaking and of course psychedelics and entheogens, only more sustained, but I was ultimately disappointed. — Janus
For my part I'll say I'm not even a guru, because I'm still uncertain about so much and all I can bring you is uncertainty. Not reasons to do, but reasons to not do. A totally useless philosophy. Or so I hope. :D — Moliere
Please, by all means, be provocative. I don't mind. — Moliere
Addressing one's fears and anxieties is much of what Epicurus means by the practice of philosophy and the search for wisdom. — Moliere
One of the questions I still ask is about what philosophy proper looks like outside of the academy, and I do not have an answer. — Moliere
What I would like to eventually do, akin to Jordan Petersons 12 Rules for Life and Meditations of Marcus Aurelius, is create a list of key ideas from various philosophies that promote a real eudaimonic way of living. — Dermot Griffin
Philosophy is an exercise for learning to be aware of how my mind works. It's about self-awareness. For me, that's the definition of a spiritual practice. — T Clark
Let no one be slow to seek wisdom when he is young nor weary in the search of it when he has grown old. For no age is too early or too late for the health of the soul. And to say that the season for studying philosophy has not yet come, or that it is past and gone, is like saying that the season for happiness is not yet or that it is now no more. Therefore, both old and young alike ought to seek wisdom, the former in order that, as age comes over him, he may be young in good things because of the grace of what has been, and the latter in order that, while he is young, he may at the same time be old, because he has no fear of the things which are to come. So we must exercise ourselves in the things which bring happiness, since, if that be present, we have everything, and, if that be absent, all our actions are directed towards attaining it.
— Letter to Menoeceus — Moliere
George Berkeley … is important in philosophy through his denial of the existence of matter—a denial which he supported by a number of ingenious arguments. He maintained that material objects only exist through being perceived. To the objection that, in that case, a tree, for instance, would cease to exist if no one was looking at it, he replied that God always perceives everything; if there were no God, what we take to be material objects would have a jerky life, suddenly leaping into being when we look at them; but as it is, owing to God’s perceptions, trees and rocks and stones have an existence as continuous as common sense supposes. This is, in his opinion, a weighty argument for the existence of God.
Bertrand Russell, A History of Western Philosophy (1945), III, I., Ch. XVI: "Berkeley", p. 647
Nonetheless, other users, - more famous or original than me - posted similar threads but they got hundreds of replies. Why did this happen? — javi2541997