Its survival of the domesticated not survival of the fittest (Aliens=>Chickens, Wheat, Cows, Dogs, Cats). The only exception to this is Cockroaches and the future offspring of Cock roaches. Are you familiar with Haim Shore? Ethiopia's history was largely effected by the rise of Islam. There is a Holy book that says an ~Alien sacrificed Ethiopia temporarily. I believe there will be even greater things for the future of Ethiopia. As for Sub-Saharan Africa i also believe there will be great things for them too? Are you familiar with my friend's 10 dimensional linked list relationship finder?

Am i a Daoist? No i'm not a Daoist but they typically are fairly intelligent.

I'm not preaching i'm just being vague. Don't go getting your feelings hurt now.

#Shark_Fighter_Nation

I know that this may sound pretentious or unnecessarily "edgy" but I am genuinely trying to enquire about a difficult and unfalsifiable subsection of metaphysics: death and the value of life. From my research, most philosophers, most notably Socrates, conclude that death is not inherently bad, but also that life is worth living; These two premises are contradictory in my opinion. If something (life) is worth keeping, then surely the removal of said thing is inherently negative, no? In conclusion, I do not believe that anyone can provide a reason for me not to end my life tomorrow (hypothetically, I'm not suicidal by any means), other than "because you may aswell live". In my personal opinion the length of one's life is not a factor when determining whether the ending of it was negative or not. Once one is dead, one is indifferent to such event, and indifferent to the life from which was lived, therefore length and memory are invalid to the state of non-existence, as death and not having been born are an identical state in my opinion.

I am incredibly curious as to how much more intelligent people answer the question provided by the title of the thread. I'm new to this forum so I hope that this is to standard and isn't removed.

This was originally a Question but I have changed the category to debate, because I do not believe that I am able to mark a comment as having answered the question, as it is incredibly subjective.

I would like to develop a previous point: Life cannot be both worth living and acceptable in ending. One of these premeses has to be false, either life is not worth living (and therefore there is no reason not to end it) or death is inherently bad (and therefore should be feared). This presents an interesting dilemma as neither outcome is particularly desirable in my opinion: either fear death or kill yourself. — JacobPhilosophy

#Shark_Fighter_Nation is the political party i belong too.

This includes skydiving, shark fighting, fighting a rattle snake with a pair of garden shears, moving to Chicago, moving to Iran, fighting a bobcat, fighting a bear, fighting an aligator

Suicide is never in any circumstance or after any set of bad choices the right answer. Suicide is never the right answer.

Just for fun, here's a random thought I came up with:

Since life is often hard work, and by its nature inherently meaningless, why fear death? Because ceasing to be cannot be any scarier than the trials and tribulations of living.

(Accepting all viewpoints and counterarguments) — Wandering-Philosopher

In my opinion everybody should be of a certain particular religion. lol.

#Shark_Fighter_Nation is the political party i belong too.

this includes sky diving, shark fighting, moving to chicago, moving to Iran, fighting a rattle snake with a pair of shears, fighting aligators, fighting bears.

I believe some people should avoid death all they can until much later in life.

On a separate note no one under any circumstance after doing any particular thing should ever commit suicide.

I don't believe having a death wish means a person has extra character neccesarily.

I know that this may sound pretentious or unnecessarily "edgy" but I am genuinely trying to enquire about a difficult and unfalsifiable subsection of metaphysics: death and the value of life. From my research, most philosophers, most notably Socrates, conclude that death is not inherently bad, but also that life is worth living; These two premises are contradictory in my opinion. If something (life) is worth keeping, then surely the removal of said thing is inherently negative, no? In conclusion, I do not believe that anyone can provide a reason for me not to end my life tomorrow (hypothetically, I'm not suicidal by any means), other than "because you may aswell live". In my personal opinion the length of one's life is not a factor when determining whether the ending of it was negative or not. Once one is dead, one is indifferent to such event, and indifferent to the life from which was lived, therefore length and memory are invalid to the state of non-existence, as death and not having been born are an identical state in my opinion.

I am incredibly curious as to how much more intelligent people answer the question provided by the title of the thread. I'm new to this forum so I hope that this is to standard and isn't removed.

This was originally a Question but I have changed the category to debate, because I do not believe that I am able to mark a comment as having answered the question, as it is incredibly subjective.

I would like to develop a previous point: Life cannot be both worth living and acceptable in ending. One of these premeses has to be false, either life is not worth living (and therefore there is no reason not to end it) or death is inherently bad (and therefore should be feared). This presents an interesting dilemma as neither outcome is particularly desirable in my opinion: either fear death or kill yourself. — JacobPhilosophy

I"m apart of a political party called, Shark Fighter Nation

#Shark_Fighter_Nation

this includes:

fighting a rattle snake with pair of garden shears

bears, alligators, Bobcats, poisonous snakes and ofcourse sky diving.

There are alternatives to suicide.

Whether there is a after life or not, there is no reason to commit suicide.

Every last suicide tears a huge hole in society. Mothers get real up set when such things happen too.

There are alternatives to suicide.

Perhaps at one time to be an atheist or agnostic was being a rebel, however in this day and age such people are dime a dozen. The two main characters in the movie "Juno" describe most people who come out of high school in America.

But i should say being a rebel or different doesn't neccesarily equate to being an ethical person.
— christian2017

I agree that it's no longer rebellious to be irreligious. I'd say that the dominant religion has simply changed. It's all on the front page of the culture war. The trans issue (to name just one) is a 'theological' problem. People were once terrified of being called atheists and are now terrified of being called racists, homophobes, etc. At the same time, someone like Jordan Peterson (who remembers him now?) could become almost instantly famous by casting himself as a rebel against the 'rebellion.'

I have seen Juno, and I agree with what I think is your implicit criticism of a certain predictable persona. I follow pop culture, and certain themes and heroes have been repeated, repeated, repeated. At the same time, godlessness is a difficult path, even as it becomes more common. The young, beautiful, and rich are living in the high-tech garden of delights, so they are exceptions perhaps. — jjAmEs

"godlessness is a difficult path"

Based on your response you would agree godlessness (what you mean by godlessness based on the context) is a spectrum. Simple example: many Christian people are godless.

Until this country embraces true fiscal conservatism (overly-simplified: need to modify building codes)(not just raise taxes or lower taxes), it will be hard to be a moderate godless person or any person who can percieve other people's problems to a certain threshold.

Our generation has been wiped out by lazy & war mongering politicitians, suicide, a subset of Republicans who don't know what true fiscal conservatism, and as well corruption in the domestic sphere which is atleast indirectly the result of a corrupt church.

There are infact alternatives to suicide.

#Shark_Fighter_Nation

or

#Fight_A_Rattle_Snake_With_A_Pair_Of_Garden_Shears

Have a great week Sir!

I actually used to think very similar to you, so don't feel bad. #Shark_Fighter_Nation .

Oh my that is dark. I didn´t mean to say tobacco infects you, I just meant that tobacco is bad for the lungs, and Corona attacks the lungs. Most old guys in China are heavy smokers.... — Nobeernolife

You won't have to look hard in this modern age nor on a philosophy forum to find "dark". Depression is common in this modern age. #Shark_Fighter_Nation. Suicide is very high these days. But there are alternatives.

Also, if we're going to commit shoddy errors of reasoning perhaps we can at least get the geneaological facts straight - Linnaeus dubbed us homo sapiens not because we have the exclusive capacity of thought - he was not so arrogant as to believe this - but for the far more humbling fact that he could not distinguish for us any defining charcateristics other than the circular fact that humans are those who recognize themselves as such - hence the single, pithy, Socratic line that he scribbed next to Homo Sapiens in the Systema Naturae: nosce te ipsum, know theyself. As he asked elsewhere of a critic: "I ask you and the entire world to show me a generic difference between ape and man which is consistent with the principles of natural history. I most certainly do not know of any". — StreetlightX

Humans might not be intelligent but we are the most intelligent and with abstract thought comes serious depression. Typically animals that are capable of abstract thought are more likely to commit suicide.

On a side note there are alternatives to suicide #Shark_Fighter_Nation or fight a rattle snake with a pair of garden shears or go join the Peace Corp.

Anyway Noah Harrari wrote a book called Sapiens and it basically says humans can coordinate among millions (as opposed to the Ape's 150 ape groups) because we believe fiction and this fiction allows us to coordinate. He basically says humans are wise because we allow ourselves to collectively believe lies.

I do believe there is a possibility this is 100% (rather than 80%) true.

So, I need to be invited to a special Discord chat, or something?

I'm never going to convert to Christianity, sorry. Perhaps Zen, but that's mostly just ancient wisdom for how not to go crazy and how to treat people decently. Or at least the parts of it that I care about are. — Douglas Alan

Thats fair. Just stick that in your facebook profile "Shark Fighter Nation" #Shark_Fighter_Nation. The basic premise is you go out and fight big animals or poisonous animals as a hobby. I wouldn't suggest it if you aren't confident in your own mind about your final destination. I believe the Bible is clear "Once Saved, Always Saved". If you want me to list the chapters that support that send me a private message. Considering suicide is very high in the age we live in, i'm not sure your mother wouldn't prefer you to die fighting an alligator over succumbing our generations statistically high fate.

If you have some way to find contentment in life, you should probably just stay alive and be as happy as possible.

In order to explain all the bad shit that happens in the world, Leibnitz's explanation is that this is the best of all possible worlds, even if it contains a lot of badness. I.e., it just can't get any better than this.

Well, if this is the best of all possible worlds, then it seems better not to exist at all!

Unless, of course, modal realism is true. Because if it is, then if you didn't exist, you'd just exist in an infinite number of even worse worlds.

Actually, if Leibnitz was right and modal realism is true, you do exist in an infinite number of even worse worlds. And this is just the best of all the infinite versions of your sorry existences, where all the other infinite versions of you are suffering even more. — Douglas Alan

ROFL!

This is why i joined a political party called Shark Fighter Nation. #Shark_Fighter_Nation

Have you ever fought a rattle snake with a pair of garden shears? Neither have i but i have been held at gun point and i chased the two robbers off. Become a christian before joining this political party.

Contrary to popular misbelief, I would argue that the main driving forces of men and women, at least in 1st world countries are "higher mental" wants rather than pure material wants (such as the distinction between "absolute poverty", as in famine in 3rd world countries, rather than "relative" poverty, which doesn't account for actual financial planning or expenditures but is rather solely based on fixed income comparisons, as per economists such as Jolan Chang).

As an example, assuming a person could physically "survive" in a homeless shelter and have all of their basic material wants needed, or even have children despite having no income, a person could potentially meet all of their most basic "material" needs this way, much as how a person spending life in prison could have all of those basic needs met as well.

However, in 1st world countries, most of our wants and drives, even those we take for granted, are higher mental wants, whether money, possessions, education(s), careers, pasttimes, and things of those and that nature.

Even modern marriages are arguably a manifestation of 'higher mental wants' as well, in the sense of monogamous marriages and people having fewer children today, are a manifestation of a desire for 'quality' in a marriage, a partner, a family and so on.

As opposed to 'quantity', such as polygamy in 3rd world countries with high infant morality rate, which is more pragmatically effective if the goal is simply to "have children" or "have as many children as possible".

This, of course, is one reason that reduction of life purpose solely to 'marriage' and 'raising children', or deeming a culture on the whole as either 'life' or 'death' affirming on the basis of aggregate number of children is a flawed metric in many ways, and even this would be taking much of contemporary society, even including religious institutions for gratned; given that monogamy itself is a prioritization of higher mental wants and/or ideals above the purely physical ones.

And the radical and/or logical extreme of this argument would be making a case for polygamy and 3rd world marriage and/or parenting practices. — IvoryBlackBishop

I largely agree with what you are saying here. Monogamy does appear in cultures that have polygamy. Very often men who have financial options are atleast slightly more likely to pursue more sexual relationships. I actually believe many people resort to the desire for material things because in our modern society material things are cheaper than a spouse and children. There are ways to make these more expensive things attainable through creative methods but i don't feel at this point in the conversation i'll share those. #shark_fighter_nation.

I've struggled with the issue of suicide for about 5 years and have tried multiple times and also dealt with depression. I recently joined a political party called Shark Fighter Nation. #Shark_Fighter_Nation

After joining the party my desire to commit suicide has disapeared just about completely. I've never been in the US Military but suicide among Veterans and US Military Personel is extremely high and great care should be taken when dealing with these people.

I do smoke tobacco continiously all day but other than that my life has gotten a whole lot better.

shark can be replaced with moving to chicago or Iran, bobcat, rattlesnake fighting it with a pair of garden shears, bears, alligators and there are various other ways of literally contending with the "dragon".

God bless you Sir and I hope you find whatever it is you are looking for in life. Perhaps you'll at some point begin enjoying life and live from then on out a long and happy life.

on this forum they are typically more left wing. I don't know how they are on other philosophy forums. I consider myself by and large a fiscally conservative Libertarian but my political party is Shark Fighter Nation. #Shark_Fighter_Nation