Please don't insult my Dad.

What it's like for the intelligence community to brief a moron President:



Summary: He's an illiterate fool who knows nothing about anything and asks stupid questions... But it was fun.

"While the president said he would continue to work with governors, “I don't think we'll ever find that necessary,” he said of a nationwide lockdown."

https://www.politico.com/news/2020/03/20/trump-coronavirus-nationwide-lockdown-139330

Prepare for a nationwide lockdown.

Nice crosspost. :up:

I get what you're saying, but it's not just about the result, it's about the risk. Storytime: I live on a hill and I don't know if the brakes work in my car, but it's raining and my wife at the bus stop at the bottom the hill calls me to pick her up. I jump in the car and rush down the hill to get her. Luckily the brakes do work and I don't have an accident. Is what I did OK because there were no ill consequences? No, because I didn't have sufficient information to take that risk. I should have checked the brakes first or let her walk and get wet. What I did was dumb regardless of the result. I don't know in this case what information Trump is basing this on. If it's expert advice and it works, sure, he deserves credit for expediting it. If it's just a hunch and potentially dangerous then I should not be messing with your wife in the rain. Ah, or whatever.

Apparently, it was originally China's idea. See @Relativist's post above.

"China, where the deadly pathogen first emerged in December, recommended the decades-old malaria drug chloroquine to treat infected patients in guidelines issued in February after seeing encouraging results in clinical trials. But within days, it cautioned doctors and health officials about the drug’s lethal side effects and rolled back its usage."

Trump is a clueless child and should probably just shut up and leave this to the adults.

Biggest lies bolded:

1) January 22nd: Trump is asked about the coronavirus at the World Economic Forum in Davos, Switzerland. Days earlier the first case of the coronavirus was detected in the U.S., in a man who had returned to Seattle from a trip to China earlier in January.

“No, not at all. We have it totally under control. It’s one person coming in from China, and we have it under control,” Trump told CNBC. “It’s going to be just fine.”

3)
January 30th: Trump addresses the coronavirus during a speech on trade in Michigan. The same day, the World Health Organization classified COVID-19 as an international health emergency.

“We think we have it very well under control,” Trump said. “We have very little problem in this country at this moment — five — and those people are all recuperating successfully. But we’re working very closely with China and other countries, and we think it’s going to have a very good ending for us.”

4)
February 10th: Trump says the coronavirus will be gone by the end of the spring while speaking with reporters in the White House.

“Now, the virus that we’re talking about having to do — you know, a lot of people think that goes away in April with the heat, as the heat comes in. Typically, that will go away in April. We’re in great shape, though. We have 12 cases, 11 cases, and many of them are in good shape now.”

Days later, Centers for Disease Control Director Robert Redfield estimates the “virus is probably with us beyond this season and beyond this year.”

5)
February 14th: Despite Redfield saying the coronavirus will be in the U.S. beyond 2020, Trump continues to push the idea that it will be gone in a matter of weeks.

“There’s a theory that, in April, when it gets warm, historically, that has been able to kill the virus,”[/b] he said while speaking to the National Border Patrol Council.

6)
February 23rd: Speaking to reporters on the White House lawn: “We have it very much under control in this country.”

7)
February 24th:

"The Coronavirus is very much under control in the USA. We are in contact with everyone and all relevant countries. CDC & World Health have been working hard and very smart. Stock Market starting to look very good to me!"

8)
February 26th: During a press briefing at the White House, Trump claims that positive cases will soon begin to decrease.

“We’re going to be pretty soon at only five people,” he said. “And we could be at just one or two people over the next short period of time. So we’ve had very good luck.”


9)
February 27th: “It’s going to disappear,” Trump said at the White House. “One day — it’s like a miracle — it will disappear.”

11)
February 28th: During a rally in South Carolina, Trump alleges Democrats are politicizing the coronavirus, calling it “their new hoax.”

12)
February 29th: While speaking at the Conservative Political Action Conference, Trump again claims his administration has the coronavirus under control.

“I’ve gotten to know these professionals. They’re incredible,” Trump said. “And everything is under control. I mean, they’re very, very cool. They’ve done it, and they’ve done it well. Everything is really under control.”

It would be revealed later that a CPAC attendee tested positive for COVID-19, leading multiple Republican lawmakers who came into contact with him to self-quarantine.

13)
March 4th: In an interview with Sean Hannity, Trump calls the WHO’s estimate of the global death rate “false,” describes the coronavirus as “very mild,” and suggests that those infected can get better by “sitting around” and “going to work.”

Trump to Hannity on WHO saying coronavirus death rate is 3.4%: "I think the 3.4% number is really a false number ... personally, I'd say the number is way under 1%."

14)
March 7th: “No, I’m not concerned at all,” Trump said from Mar-a-Lago. “No, I’m not. No, we’ve done a great job.”

15)

March 9th: Trump bashes Democrats for sounding the alarm “far beyond what the facts would warrant” before implying that the common flu is far worse, an argument he’s made on several occasions and which has been parroted by Fox News.

Trump: "The Fake News Media and their partner, the Democrat Party, is doing everything within its semi-considerable power (it used to be greater!) to inflame the CoronaVirus situation, far beyond what the facts would warrant."



https://www.nytimes.com/2020/03/15/opinion/trump-coronavirus.html
https://www.rollingstone.com/politics/politics-news/trump-coronavirus-timeline-dismissed-969381/
https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2020/03/12/trump-coronavirus-timeline/
https://www.npr.org/2020/03/09/813763871/president-trump-has-consistently-downplayed-threat-of-coronavirus
https://www.newyorker.com/news/daily-comment/trump-truth-and-the-mishandling-of-the-coronavirus-crisis

People are dying because of this. — NOS4A2

Correct.

UK are slow learners.

No, because if it doesn't work, he'll say he thought it was a bunch of baloney the whole time and Nobrainnolife and NOS will tell you it's FAKE NEWS! if you say otherwise.

But I hope it does work, obviously, and who cares if Trump tries to take the credit.

This discussion was merged into Coronavirus

He lied and:

People are dying because of this. — NOS4A2

Thanks for the propaganda update, KellyAnne, :yawn:

Begone climate-change-denying Trump sycophant. You are not a serious contributor here.

Banks in Ireland have agreed to give a three month mortgage holiday and evictions for non-payment of rent have been banned. Do that, U.S.

https://www.irishtimes.com/business/financial-services/coronavirus-banks-agree-mortgage-breaks-and-repossession-deferrals-1.4205750
https://www.rte.ie/news/coronavirus/2020/0319/1124168-evictions-ban-coronavirus/

A non-peer reviewed trial with a tiny sample isn't going to cut it except as a spur for further studies. Ray of hope though.

Sorry, I'm with the adults in the room.



I doubt it's that simple. But it's worth looking into.

You are not on the same page as humanity if you cannot look past our political differences at a crisis moment like this. — ArguingWAristotleTiff

I like this better anyway.

Good call, I'm done on this anyway.

:yawn: He didn't literally do the same as the CCP. In terms of what matters in the substance of your criticism, he did though.

You realize Trump did the same right? He consistently downplayed the threat until the recent stockmarket crash.

People are dying because of this. — NOS4A2

We agree on something. :scream:

You've got 4,500 new cases of covid in the US just today. Maybe put your energies into thinking about how to deal with that. Now's not really the time for starting fights with countries that may be able to help you.

https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/us/

You're among friends here even if we are sometimes tough on you.

Without taking sides in the debate, if anyone wants to go after the Chinese government, feel free. One of their officials trying to pin the whole thing on some bizarre American plot was disgusting and xenophobic. But the last thing we should allow this situation to do is to turn people against each other on the basis of race or nationality. Fuck that.

Yes, just surpassed Chinese total.

1,000 dead in two days in Italy. Jesus H. To any Italians reading, sii Forte, stay strong. :pray:

Right, move on.

Because a bad guy says A doesn't make A wrong. Genetic fallacy.

I'm not a fan of the CCP either. But it's not our job to get involved in a propaganda war between them and the US. Besides which, people of Chinese ethnicity (or of any of the multiple ethnicities in China to be more accurate) should not be stigmatized because we don't like their government.

to treat the Chinese flu. — NOS4A2

Take your racism and shove it. Racists get banned. Final warning.

what I instead see is an illness that is mild in the vast (>90%) — Hanover

"Mild" cases include having holes punched in your lungs and permanently reduced capacity. You go out and go viral if you want. I like my organs just the way they are. Anyway, now that even Republicans have embraced socialism, the "liberty" argument has lost. You're pissing into the wind.

Definition of a nano-second: The time it takes for Republicans to convert to socialism when there's a crisis. ("Warp speed" a la muddled Mitch).

An authoritarian socialist: https://www.pbs.org/newshour/health/watch-live-trump-invokes-defense-production-act-to-increase-masks-supplies-to-fight-coronavirus

About time he crossed over and gave "liberty" and the free market the finger.

Glad you're enjoying it. Who knows? Maybe we'll get another outbreak of the black death next. That would be wild :cheer:

Speaking in bold will not make your comments any more intelligent. Please stop it.

Lol @ Dow Jones.

Trump Feb 24:
“The Coronavirus is very much under control in the USA. … Stock market starting to look very good to me”

Trump now: "Stockmarket? What stockmarket? Never hear of the guy."

Tbh, I don't think kindergarten Don is going to survive his toddle through the economic and social wasteland that Trump 'Murica is about to become. The Dems could probably run and win with the arse end of a donkey at this point. But yes, Bernie is unfortunately toast. Let sleepy Joe sleepwalk to victory.

Yes, I've got conflicting info on that. Reserving judgement for now.

Think I would have thrown him the pack and ran away. What you did was good too though.