I am going to use an old politician's response to your employment of repetition EugeneW. — universeness

If it's justified to return the accusation I do. And it's more than justified. Science has done no good.

But if on the other hand we be destructive, fame can easily be had. My generation knew who Lee Oswald was, subsequent generations know who Richard Dawkins is. One destroyed a president, the other is destroying religion. — Gregory A

Damned! I think Im gonna call you a comrade!

Who was your teacher? What gives you certainty about this definition? Why did you accept this definition? Was this the only definition you were given — god must be atheist

I saw it in a dream and during this thread it got more articulated. Im writing a short story about it. Its like the gods had contacted me. Which is difficult for them. I have to warn the homonids. The homonid gods were involved in creation too. Leading to troubles in their development of love and hate particles, needed for the creation of the universe. They (knowingly??) fucked up a bit. Psychosis!

I am learning more about your approach all the time EugeneW, you ask questions that you already know the answer to. — universeness

No! I truly don't! I dont give a fuck how old I get and are absolutely not interested in prolonging my life scientifically.

This approach is so tedious, computer memory does not consist of a single chip so what are you talking about? — universeness

About the maximum memory of a computer. The number of 1s and 0s to be stored.

This reminds me of a quote from Carl Sagan's movie 'Contact.'
If we are the only intelligent lifeforms in the whole Universe, it seems like an awful waste of space!
You seem to be wastin space EugeneW. — universeness

I could tell your hero the whole universe is filled with life. Life in heaven is much broader than even in the visible universe exists. There is much more life beyond the horizon.

I can tell the difference between a dangerous theist and a harmless one — universeness

The most dangerous species is still the scientist.

person who merely gets comfort from belief in an all-powerful supernatural superhero that's going to protect them from their primal fears and award them existence for eternity after they die. — universeness

That's a charicature, a panto cheat! Why you think primal fear is involved? I could say the same of theism...

Einstein was not an atheist, which doesn't make him a believer — Gregory A

He believed in god. Said even he dont play dice. Thats an inspiration for his science. He believed, and I think rightly, QM isnt the final answer.

Depends. Define god. — god must be atheist

Well, not like your avatar. And by definition, they are no atheists. Heaven just looks like the universe. All creatures developed in it have a godlike counterpart. Virus gods, mamba gods, homonid gods, take your pick. What if they got bored of making love and hate eternally? They decided to create a copy of heaven. A collective enterprise. Now they just watch us. Themselves. Only, we lack the power of creation.

Aren't you a bit religious? — god must be atheist

A bit? Totally! Do you deny the gods?

Well, you can believe that, but you can't KNOW that. You are deceiving yourself by claiming knowledge where knowledge does not exist. — god must be atheist

Believe me. I know.

would need a book a similar number of pages as the babbling bumbelling bible to list my complaints against horrible doctrines like Christianity and Islam. Have you got it yet? — universeness

I can give you a similar list of complaints of the horrible doctrine of the sciences...

the most pernicious con tricks in human history such as Christianity and Islam — universeness

To be replaced by the con of science?

I just dont get what he's got against theism. Isn't it obvious the universe is created? He's got the right to be an atheist, of course, but his vision is a cold one.

read recently in New Scientist magazine suggests that the first human to live to 150 to 170, is alive today! — universeness

Do you really care how old we can get? Why?

and I know for a fact that computing technology can already surpass the memory capacity and processing speed of a single human brain. — universeness

Speed is all computers got. On a memory chip you can store 10exp24 bits? Compare with the brain: 10exp10exp20. That's about 100000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000
..........dzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzx........overloaoaoad.....


And the row continues to the ends of the Earth! A bit more than a chip memory... Take that Earthling!

:lol:

Those damned robots! Even fuck faster! Killem all!

That's too easy. Even a robot with no mind can do that, and much better too, than a philosopher. — god must be atheist

Robots don't act. They pretend but they're fucking mindless fucking technology. I would kill every fucking robot in sight. Fucking technology. How powerful we feel ourselves with FUCKING technology! Fucking dildos!

"Thanks everyone, good points raised"

:lol:

No, you carry the whip, cur! She, however, wields it! :smile: — Agent Smith

:lol:

On a roll Agent!

mine is worse... she carries an enema bag. — god must be atheist

Whip me with that enema bag. Hit me hard! Whip me good! Do me! Oblige me! True love!

We have to work for it i.e. we need to earn our place in heaven here on earth, — Agent Smith

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And the gods watch. Again. Without morally obliging.

Are we witnessing the dawn of the hive? Are the pylons of power impressing the scientific, miracle-devoid, cold and icey new atheistic worldview upon the global hivemind? The work on the panopticon is in progress. We're fucked!

And, you can't teach an old dogmatist new tricks. — Gregory A

Precisely! The poor bugger got caught up in his own fucking meme (excusez les mots). Which would be no problem, but he's actively engaged in fighting theism. Like a real inquisitor.

We will never know, because we are incapable of knowing that — god must be atheist

I know a computer, no matter its fucking speed, sophisticated programs, or quantum sophistry, is no conscious being. Consciousness can't be programmed. Anyone believing that deceives themselves.

I am no human, I am a robot
I am no ruman, I am a hobot
I am no roman, I am a hubot
I am no roban, I am a humot
I am no robon, I am a humat
I am no robot, I am a human

Things get scary if real persons give the impression to be an AI... Like most grown ups.

Real AI is simply obelized. It can't cover a true consciousness. Real people, on the other hand, are more difficult to fathom. Are they deprived of conscious being? Is that what their programmed behavior and speech show?

There seems to be a contradiction between a granular brain and continuous media. But there isn't.

The question is did the brain actually comprehend continuua? — Agent Smith

Good question! Lemme reflect in agony.

Unwieldy, clunky, useless! — Agent Smith

A pretty good description of my brain! Ouioui! :up:

How can a digital brain comprehend continuua? — Agent Smith

The brain is analogue.

forgetting to live while trying to find out how to live — Agent Smith

Just act!

Let me play the brain's advocate. The brain being accused of being digital. It's actually a very dìfferently operating device. The 1s and 0s in a brain are actually very different in nature than those in a computer. There run concentrated spiked potentials on the neurons. These are constituted by traveling pulses of ions rushing in through small channels. A traveling inward rush. Autonomously traveling. And already there is a big difference. The 1s in a computer are actually voltages over the whole wire. The voltages force the 1s, while the 1s in the brain travel on their own not being pushed and pulled by a program of voltages (the program). The spike-potentials dont travel according to an external program pushing and pulling them.

Wait a minute! What if some audacious philosopher, knowing ultimate laws of everything must paradoxically fail, intentionally sets about attacking the quest for a theory of everything, being fatally curious about the nuggets that shower forth from this Hadron Super-Collider of a theory? — ucarr

So he attacks that quest while he actually wants to see one at work?

The truth is true. But what is it? One god, many gods? If one person can do it, so can the collective of universal life.

From my experience, those who do so are lay persons who do not understand that quantum mechanics is math. — creativesoul

That's exactly my point. It's not math but what the math describes. Hidden variables are one possibility. And exactly these can be used for those in prayer.

Isn't asymmetry how the Big Bang got triggered? — ucarr

I think that were the circumstances of a previous bang running to its end. There were no internal asymmetries, so to speak. While foiling the standard approach to the unifying theories, being pessimistic and not seriously about it, you can actually arrive at a unifying model.

but those who take quantum mechanics as fodder for deep-seated beliefs in non physical entities do not understand quantum mechanics or particle physics anyway. — creativesoul

Where do you base this on? Who says they dont understand anyway. As if You understand it. Dont think so.

I've no reason to agree with this presupposition. I'm agnostic on the issue of the origin of all things. Could not care less really — creativesoul

Than there is nothing left to say dear reader...

Yes, I know that subatomic particles don't really reside in one location, and it doesn't really help to talk like that, but those who take quantum mechanics as fodder for deep-seated beliefs in non physical entities do not understand quantum mechanics or particle physics anyway. — creativesoul

This remains to be seen. When the gods created the world/universe, they made use of a very special ingredient. Hidden variables. It's by means of these they can reach us. Actually interfere with their creation. Though its hard.