As an atheist, I hold the position that I have seen no reason to be convinced there is god/ — Tom Storm

What about the existence of the universe? Why should the gods show themselves to us? Who says they don't lay back in their heavenly jungle fields, just watching their creation? Which gives me a wonderful idea for a short story!

It was created in response to the harsh reality of theism, to counteract a miracle-devoid universe to bring back a mystery-element, so badly needed.
— EugeneW

Here again. A typical tail would be that the New Age woo woo is 'ferry dust' sprinkle on the otherwise egolisciously satanic Mill of the world. To me we're all already 'born in scene' and this dream is exciting enough without angels and dragons. — lll

Hi! Here again too. The matter-only-tale was created as a woo theory because the theìst dream was devoid of wonder and miracles. It posits a ferry dust that operates autonomously. We're born in some woo-kind of eternal matter fields. This old-age woo is about to be supplanted. The angels and dragons of materialism are too much to bear.

QFT may be BS if taken literally - reality as a stack of particle fields. — apokrisis

That's exactly where it's NO BS.

But 5D wormholes? Even if they exist, they still wouldn’t support your claim that they are where one finds a “true nothing” in nature — apokrisis

Inside and around the 5D hole resides the true nothing. Through which you can look. A hole in space, like a hole in the wall.

Obviously, time had a beginning. If not, the universe would be in the chaotic, fleeting state of chaos, accelerating away towards infinity. The universe would be a dull place where nothing happened. This is a consequence of thermodynamics and initial conditions. Time could have evolved in the other direction, but then it would have an end at t=0.

The beginning of unidirectional time is easily set in motion by the virtuality going forward and backward in time. From this central virtuality, matter and time can be created over and over again. So time has infinite beginnings. After present time ends at infinity, a new time starts. Aristotle was right about one thing though. His eternal circular motion resembles the fluctuating time constituted by the virtuality at the source.

Modern physicalism - rooted in QFT - says everything happens (in probability space) but almost everything also self-cancels. We get left with the decoherent and renormalised path integral. — apokrisis

Metaohysical BS.

Things like "Pseudo-scientific" and "made-up shit" can 't hide your obvious ignorance. I'm not talking about macroscopic 4d wormholes. I'm talking about microscopic 5d holes. You can look right through the 5d bulk. There is a litteral hole in 4d space.

In between the walls of the hole would be nothing. Time might stand still on these walls, but in between is still nothing. A hole of nothingness.

Even if wormholes existed for real, they would still be a path connecting two moments in time, not a nothingness. — apokrisis

There would be a hole in space, connecting two spaces that wouldn't be connected otherwise. There would be a hole of nothingness between the two spaces.

Zeno made one big mistake. He thought the spacetime continuum could be broken up in parts. Just try break up time in pieces. Or space. It's hard.

What keeps the circle shape, the cup shape, the shape of a thought, the apple shape, the shape of pain, the shape of the hart, the patterns in smoke, the milk poured in coffee, licking flames, the dreamed street, the moving hand, and all other forms in shape, while the parts have no or little causal connection?

'lung reach is a broth dump flu of as it.' — lll

Long reach is a broad dump fluor acid? I love to walk along with you III, but I'm not sure I can follow...

Why is good knot a very tail? You argue that atheism is a belief. The standard reply is that it's a lack of belief — lll

"Good Knot in the Fairy Tail" is a fairytale because it sprang up in the minds of employees in the fairytale factory. It was created in response to the harsh reality of theism, to counteract a miracle-devoid universe to bring back a mystery-element, so badly needed. Good Knot gets untied finally, resolving the Fairy Tail. The moral of the fairytale being that even in a theist universe miracles and wonders can be found. One doesn't need atheist fantasìes and materialism to accomplish that.

Some things (should) explain themselves. — Agent Smith

Some things, yes. The universe can explain itself. But not where it came from. How can it explain that?

Conclusion – Atheism is a theory of not-theism. If offers no categorical refutation of theism as a whole.

Theism is a theory of theism. It offers no categorical refutation of atheism as a whole. If you wanna believe in atheism, then that's up to you.

The concept as a Type of deity (e.g. theism) can be shown to be empty, establishing every Token of that deity Type (e.g. Allah, YHWH, Zeus) as imaginary ↪180 Proof. — 180 Proof

Gods are no concepts. They are real features of reality. Every attempt to show they are empty or imaginary is based on the assumption they don't exist in the first place, which makes the attempt false, viciously circular, or vacuous at least.

I heard someone say this:

"If the only thing keeping a person decent is the expectation of divine reward, then, brother, that person is a piece of shit." 

Indeed. Still, that person acts decent. And actually that person should be pitied. Acting decently out of fear is an undesirable state to be in. Acting decently because you love the universe they created is desirable. The same holds for a non-created universe, but such a universe can't exist.

Ocean in a teacup
— Agent Smith

I have to contemplate that one! — EugeneW

Suppose I bought a map of Ocean in a Teacup. I plan a trip to cross that ocean by boat. How stupid I feel upon arriving at Teacup. My boat doesn't fit.

Self-explanatory: Self-explanatory — Agent Smith

But what's the explanation?

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In maths. Not so much in the physics of voids — apokrisis

A wormhole is a physical hole. So holes exist even in voids.

Ocean in a teacup — Agent Smith

I have to contemplate that one!

Gmorning 3stripe! Reading that is a fun way to start the day!

If the territory itself is the map then the map is an exact replica of the territory.

The map can't be an exact replica of the territory. — Agent Smith

Unless the map is the territory.

I believe there are as many gods as creatures in the universe. The Greek saw a few of them. Western man sees some unified omni god monster.

How secure is this premise? Why can't reality in total contain its own explanation? — apokrisis

How can pull reality itself in existence? What fundamental physical law can do that? And if you know, where does that self creating structure come from? Is not every infinity of turtles, every eternal universe, every von Münchhausen structure submitted to divine creation?

Xenophanes was a kind of atheist too. He denied the plethora of gods on Mount Olympus. For whatever reason he replaced them by some unimaginable unified omni monster, with which we are stuck today.

I don't believe in Big Foot or the Loch Ness Monster for the same reason. I don't say they do not exist I say I have seen no reason to think they are real. Big difference. — Tom Storm

Big Foot can be met, in principle. But proving no gods to exist is a more exquisite task. How can you met gods that don't exist?

I think of you more as an eccentric, based on your entertaining responses. — Tom Storm

Well, you know, it's just that I think nature by itself can't have spawned a creature like my wife. Somehow, some mad god must be involved. Luckily, I might add!

Sure, what method did you use to show Zeus doesnt exist? — DingoJones

Zeus does exist.

They do not necessarily say there are no gods. — Tom Storm

Then they are no atheists. Agnostics maybe. I'm a theist but to be honest don't give a fuck about them gods.

Ignorance is a curable malady, so I am not at all afraid. But stupidity is incurable and deadly. — Sir2u

That's why there is little hope for you my dear friend... But hey, life is incurable and deadly. And in the next big bang we'll live again. Maybe that offers solace. Take care!

The atheist believes in the fairy tale that no gods exist. So it's a belief. Do they have demonstrate of any of this? I think not.

If the light hypothesis is accurate, perhaps our entire concept of space will need to be revised so that light can supersede Newtonian physics by traveling through some kind of time-transcending hyperspace, and this might have an association with relativity. — Enrique

I'm not sure I get this. Light works instantaneous already. The infinite lightspeed in Newtonian theory is replaced by the finite one in relativity. Without a finite lightspeed there would be no cause and effect and mass could not exist.

Don't be afraid. One day you will understand...

Atheism is a belief, a fairy tale, a myth. Theism deals with reality, with the beings that live in an eternal parallel world, who, by ingenious design or accidentally, created spacetime in its eternity and infinity, the basic stuff in it, and the laws according to which it behaves. Those laws are too stupid to invent themselves and their very existence is a proof of god.

If people wanna believe it's up to them. Everyone has the right of their own reality. Theists know, atheists believe.

So, if I say that you are wrong about everything and won't dispute it then it follows that it is beyond dispute that you are wrong about everything. — Fooloso4

For you yes. For me no.

Afraid your ignorance shows? Good bye.

Because I was told to get the first look in nature's fundamental workings. God whispered that in my ear...

it simply means you won't dispute it. — Fooloso4

Exactly. Beyond dispute.

Unsupported semi-scientific theories used as evidence for a creator, what the hell is the world coming to. — Sir2u

If only you would understand the science in it.. But you don'...

See? The MWI doesn't belong on this forum. Only by naming it I already have paid to much service to it.