Is nobody else annoyed at the clear lack of one option?

We are conscious, epiphenomenalism is NOT true, all causes are physical, and consciousness evolved by natural .

I don't like the conflation of physical causality with epiphenomenalism

If you're military force isn't there to defend the population, what is it there for? — Count Timothy von Icarus

Hamas was never there to defend the population in the first place. Have they ever done that?

But if they just hide? What new leverage do they get there? — Count Timothy von Icarus

Actually quite a lot. The entire world is watching right now and I've never seen "free Palestine" being chanted more than it is now. Maybe the world will forget in a week, or maybe this new pressure will achieve some useful goal.

Israel wants to 'defeat Hamas', but has no way to cope with the fact that Hamas fighters can go back to looking like civilians at any point they wish. — Tzeentch

This has always been in my mind as well. Like, can't Hamas just... hide among the civilians and take very few casualties, wasting Israel's time with this invasion?

https://www.reddit.com/r/PublicFreakout/comments/17jpxn5/israeli_tank_firing_upon_civilian_car_upon/

I would be naive if I thought Israel had any reasonable systems involved to hold these men responsible for shooting a rocket at people they knew were civilians. Maybe I'm naive in thinking they weren't ordered to do just that by their superiors.

Fuck this.

I find this generally agreeable. You might enjoy this article I read on Sunday, about this very topic

https://archive.md/2023.10.28-061758/https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archive/2023/10/decolonization-narrative-dangerous-and-false/675799/

Not the best writing, exactly, but it's some food for thought at least

how much of it has to do with Christian evangelical Zionism?

if that was the point of your reply, you certainly hid that point between the lines. It wasn't leftist knee jerk for me to say that, I just thought it was true. If I'm mistaken I can correct myself with evidence, nothing to do with any knee jerk leftist stuff at all.

Did Americans know about what the Japanese were doing to the Chinese? I would love to learn more about that if I've been mistaken.

nothing about what you said, to me, makes it obvious that Israel isn't a much safer place for homosexuals, atheists and apostates than any other country in the region. It just sounds like speculation from you that, because these courts exist, gay people must be just as persecuted here as they are in Muslim countries. In fact your own words make it clear that the jurisdiction of these courts in incredibly limited. I don't think those courts have any power over homosexuals whatsoever based on the text provided.

I see, fair enough. In the case of the Palestinians, the influx of Jews did in fact have a massive effect on the politics of the region. I don't blame those Palestinians from centuries past from wanting to avoid that.

That's true, Japan wreaked havoc in China - some of the worst horrors known to humanity went on their, they arguably put the Nazis to shame. Although I don't think Americans knew that.

I personally can put it quite simply: I don't want to live in a Muslim theocracy, and it seems many Muslims do. They oppose gay rights and even the right to freely criticise religion (theirs only, of course). I don't want the zeitgeist of my society to be drowned out by people with values like that, and it has nothing to do with the colour of their skin.

Yeah. My first time trying to do an extensive backend was in node.js with Express, which has very very little magic by default - almost everything is configured manually apart from the basic internals.

I've moved into doing Laravel in PHP, and it has quite a lot more magic than vanilla Express, BUT I feel almost all of the magic is genuinely helpful, positive, and it's fairly easy to dig and find out exactly what most of the magic is actually doing - I don't think there's too many bits of it that have created a downside for me.

One magic thing that's a little annoying for me lately is actually how it handles user sign in sessions. I've got a bug related to sessions and it's so hard to find out what's going on there!

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/LGBT_rights_in_Israel

Lesbian, gay, bisexual, and transgender (LGBT) rights in Israel are considered the most developed in the Middle East.[2] Although same-sex sexual activity was legalized in 1988, the former law against sodomy had not been enforced since a court decision in 1963. Israel became the first country in Asia to recognize unregistered cohabitation between same-sex couples, making it the first country in Asia to recognize same-sex unions in any capacity.

I'm sure Israel isn't PERFECT in their respect of homosexual rights, but I think I'm fairly justified in thinking it's a hell of a big improvement compared to most of the other countries in the region.

Do you have evidence to the contrary?

Israel is a democracy where gays and women aren't flogged and killed by "morality police". — RogueAI

I don't see any difference between Israel and a country ruled by the Quran. — javi2541997

You don't see a difference between a country where gays are gleefully murdered by morality police, and one where they aren't?

I don't think one has to think of it like that, ESPECIALLY in retrospect, knowing what happened to them. They didn't want the Jews to come in, the UN opened the floodgates after ww2, and... the rest is history. With hindsight bias, you're saying they're racist but can you say they were wrong? They really did get the short end of the stick. They thought Jews would come in and ruin their way of life, and... turns out that's literally what happened.

Why shouldn't a nation want to keep it's national identity and protect it from large waves of immigrants hostile to that identity? I don't think it's fair to frame it as entirely racist at all. And hindsight tells us that if the "racists" in Palestine got their way, there'd potentially be a lot less bloodshed in the Levant today.

nah, Palestinians wanted to cut off Jews right to immigrate to the region before it was ever describable as "illegal colonization". They were willing to live side by side with the Jews who were already there, but they absolutely didn't want more Jews coming in.

I agree. I like magic most when there's a clear way to demystify what's actually happening underneath the hood. The biggest problem with magic that you can't demystify is that it's hard to predict what other kinds of things you can and can't do with it, you know?

You're absolutely right, they did seek permission but not from the native Palestinians, whose wishes were ignored.

Which is... sort of exactly my point. In Western countries right now, you have people who are saying "I don't think we should allow this unfettered immigration of Muslims, it doesn't seem like it's going well", and their wishes are also being ignored, and not just ignored but they're made out to be terrible racists for even thinking that there could be negative consequences for unfettered immigration of a hostile population.

Made out to be terrible racists by the same people who are now saying that Palestinians are completely the victims of this terrible situation and Jewish colonisers are to blame.

Now, go back to the 1920s and ask these same people, "Are the Palestinians who are saying they don't want more Jews to come into Palestine also racists? Are they racists just like the modern day Swedes are who don't want more Muslims to swarm into Sweden?"

Because... how is it different? How is a Swede saying he doesn't want more Muslims immigrants today different from a Palestinian who didn't want more Jewish immigrants in the 1920s/30s/40s?

I'm a software engineer. If you need any guidance or advice for this project, let me know. I haven't done any full fledged SPAs but I've done mini SPAs and I know what goes into designing a backend.

Which websites for example offer this truly "one page" browsing in entirety?

Where you visit example.com and every action or section never changes the URL regardless of the intricacy or specificity of the action? — Outlander

Actually, these SPAs have the ability to change the URL without actually loading a new page. One of the most common SPA Frameworks is REACT, and there's a package called React Router that allows the frontend code to both detect and change the current URL without actually loading a new web page.

Because if this, you've most likely visited websites which were SPAs but which you couldn't tell were.

According to one article I found, Gmail slack Trello Netflix and grammarly are all SPAs.

It should be noted that these websites don't actually operate with only one http route, but they do only need one route dedicated to serving the frontend resources. They still need many routes to serve data to the one single frontend.

"settlers" meaning who exactly?

Israelis stealing land in the west bank? That's not who this post is talking about, it's not defending those settlers in any way.

The influx of Jews that populated Israel from the 20s to the 70s were in no small part refugees. At least some of these settlers, who we can all agree are in the wrong, are the descendants of those refugees.

case in point lol.

If you think what's happening to Palestinians is terrible, you should give at least some slack to Europeans who don't want the same thing to happen to them. Palestine is a strong historical precedent for what happens when a population is hit with unfettered immigration of a hostile culture.

If Palestine had instead been given the right to be "xenophobic and racist and keep out those desperate dirty Jews" - I've taken some liberties with your words there, hope you don't mind - the Palestinian situation would look very different today. In fact I would say that's the very problem: the Palestinians were not given the right to self determination. This flavour of leftist wants to take away Europeans right to self determination in the same way.

As for the OP – As a lifelong leftist, I'm pro-Palestinian and pro-Israeli (non-settler); also, anti-Hamas and anti-Likud (& land-thieving settlers). — 180 Proof

Same for me.

Sadly, America seems full of people who support Hamas so much they think Hamas murdering innocents is ethical, AND they also hate white Europeans for wanting a more balanced approach to immigration, without realising the tension between these two beliefs.

I'm really not sure what you're trying to say with all that. I can't even tell which bits of your comment are quotes and which bits are you saying something you think. None of it seems like a response to my previous comment.

I don't think that answers my question.

so you don't feel like there's anything beyond an act when you see a colour, for example. Look at something vibrantly red or blue or green. It's that summed up entirely in the act of how you respond to it?

Until the fact of conscious experience is proven — NOS4A2

Most people have conscious experiences, and so take that as a given. Do you have conscious experiences?

I mean, that's my view, which I am pretty confident of but I am of course not the final arbiter, and plenty of smart people disagree.

That's the neat part - they wouldn't!

Frank, patterner here is also attacking the naive notion of "conceivability". If something's conceivable just because you can string a couple words together and have no idea why those concepts don't actually work out, just because of personal ignorance, then you can't really make the sorts of conclusions that Chalmers makes. The naive notion of conceivability does not work in this context.

I encourage you to really investigate what "conceivable" actually is meant in this context. It's actually trickier than just saying "I'm completely ignorant about it".

I don't think that's the case. David Chalmers makes conclusions given the "conceivability of p zombies". If they're conceivable just because you're ignorant of any reason why they'd be impossible, you can't make any conclusion based on that. The type of conceivability you need to make conclusions off it is a much more rigorous sort of conceivability.

That's not what other people mean by "conceivable". Not in this context anyway.

your ignorance of something isn't much of a point in any direction at all. Not knowing something SURELY doesn't make something "clear", that's the opposite of clarity. Especially if it's just your own ignorance about a work of fiction... not sure what that's supposed to tell us about consciousness in real life.

The possibility of p-zombies is a much more rigorous question than just analysing your own ignorance of consciousness.

yes, love it. I don't believe it's ever implied that they're not truly conscious or don't experience qualia. Would you like to explain the relevance of that piece of fiction here?

through backing Israel — Benkei

What does this phrase mean?

rather than trying to define sanity, it would be far easier for me to justify what I said by instead describing the behaviours of a person who doesn't believe anything.

A person who doesn't believe anything doesn't willingly eat, because they have no belief that eating will sustain their life, end their hunger, or bring pleasure.

A person who doesn't believe anything doesn't communicate in a shared language with other people, because they have no belief that their words will be effective or even understood.

I could go on, but I think you could get the picture from that. If you're sane.

use your intuition. I'm not using some precise unintuitive definition of sane. If you yourself are sane, your intuition of what a sane person acts like is good enough

I can't see a single state working at all. Israeli Jews don't want to be governed by Muslims (and I can't blame them), and Palestinian Muslims don't want to be governed by Jews (also can't blame them).

If Israel lets go of their fear of a neighbouring Palestinian state, and Palestinians accept not getting all of Palestine back, then a two state solution becomes possible, but I fear we're a long way away from that.

Yeah I think it's probably impossible for a person (or at least a sane functioning person) to have no beliefs whatsoever.