(which took ages from our perspective to be delivered) — ssu

It took even longer to write them when you were a kid.

In what way are education systems changing people for the worse? — jamalrob

I never said that the educational systems are responsible for changing people for the worse. What I said was that it is to blame for the young people being like they are, big difference.
The educational systems in a lot of places around the world cater towards getting kids through school, not necessarily giving them an education. School is supposed to prepare students for the world, how many kids nowadays have any idea how to defend themselves out of school.

http://www.theguardian.com/news/datablog/2010/dec/07/world-education-rankings-maths-science-reading
https://www.studentsfirst.org/pages/the-stats

School is also supposed to try and teach kids the difference between right and wrong behavior, that job now seems to have passed on to the people that run the entertainment medias.

I can't tell what you're getting at here. Maybe you could expand on it. — jamalrob

Why do you think that so many good teachers are leaving the classrooms?Because they are not being allowed to do their jobs properly. Teachers now have little authority in their classrooms. They are not allowed to punish kids for misbehavior nor force them to work. The educational laws forbid them from teaching things in certain ways and talking about things that are now taboo in the classroom. Their hands are tied by low budgets and in many cases lack of support from superiors whose hands are also tied.
The legal system also makes things difficult because teachers have to be extremely careful not to say anything, do activities, ask for opinions that might offend anyone because they might lose their job or be sued. A friend of mine was asked to leave his job because some of his students stated their opinions about another religion in his history class that offended a member of that religious group. He was blamed for their ideas!!!! Go figure.
And many kids today are so vain that they take offense at anything and everything.
Twenty years in education has been more than enough for me, I cannot wait for the next three years to end so that I can get out.

What do you think is wrong with young people now that was not wrong with you and your peers when you were young? — jamalrob

We were not that much different in some ways from the youth of today, we just did things differently.

• Most of us wanted people to like us. But people that we actually had around us, not some might look like the avatar person we will never know in real life and can never even be sure exists.
• Most of us wanted to take photos to remember places, things and events. but one or two was usually enough and they were mostly about the places or people around us. Kids now have to take dozens of selfies of themselves cleaning their teeth, showing of their junk, eating a sandwich and every other insignificant detail of their lives. I saw some, there were too many to see but a few, of my students vacation pics. Most of the images were of them or contained them in more than half of the image. Some contained meals they ate, a lot showed them modeling and posing and some were group selfies. A lot of the photos were taken at historical or even exotic places but contained little of the place in the images because their grinning faces took up most of the frame.
• We used to like dressing up cool, but we dressed up because we wanted to. Not to impress they people on farcebook.
• We probably did more stupid things maybe than most kids can even imagine today. But we did not publish them for all the world to see just to get a few likes. Most of us actually tried hard to get others to forget the whole episode. I doubt that our parents would have been happy to see photos of us go-cart skiing or playing at knights on monkey bikes spread around the neighborhood.

I take it you think they have a "total lack of ability to do anything else to impress people". — jamalrob

Misreading again I think. I said nothing at all about their ability to impress or lack thereof. But they do spend an awful lot of time trying to impress (read "get likes").

Can you refer to any research that discusses this? — jamalrob

As far as I know, no one has bothered as yet to do any research into the validity of my opinions. What a lose for humanity.

Are you saying that you are on Facebook and Twitter just to laugh at Facebook and Twitter users, who you think are idiots in some way? — jamalrob

No, once again you have misread my words I am saying that I go on farcebook, twatter, insanegram and a few others to laugh at the idiots that are there. I don't think that these people are idiots in some way, it is obvious that they are idiots in most ways because of the stupid things they do. But I don't laugh at the people who are not doing anything to laugh at, that would be silly.

Can you go into more detail about this behaviour? — jamalrob

http://runt-of-the-web.com/dumbest-facebook-posts

Or just google "stupid facebook posts"

So many people have their pages open and their friends are usually just as smart as they are.

All of these sites have a "forgotten your password" facility. — jamalrob

It takes too long to recover it because I have to try and remember the account names and all of the false info(names, my dogs names,places and so on etc.etc . etc.) I gave them. I tried it once and they told me that I was not me. How the fuck do they know these things?

OMG, at last a discussion about Farcebook and Twatter.

I have several accounts in each, plus a few other sites. I have them because I get bored sometimes and go there to have a laugh at the idiot that post pics of themselves doing the most stupid things and leave the accounts open to the public. The reason I have several accounts is that the time between one visit and the next is sometimes so long that I forget the password.

As Baden mentioned, and I see he adopted my use of Farcebook, these sites do have legitimate and helpful uses. But as with any tool you have to know how to use it. Most of those on these sites would break the anvil with a plastic hammer.

These sites are most occupied by infantile minded people looking for attention because of their total lack of ability to do anything else to to impress people. The idiots that run the modern electronic media are to blame for a lot of this. Yahoo, MSN and many others run NEWS about the kartrashians, beckhams, justin beaver and a host of other famous for being famous or married to famous people. Thus giving the most ridiculous role models for the intellectually challenged young people of today to follow. And you can blame the education system of most countries for the young people being like they are. And the legal system is to blame for the schools not having the ability to enforce enough discipline to be able to teach the young.

And don't forget the media reinforced vanity that the youth of today suffer from. So many of the people on farcebook try so hard to imitate the medias idea of what is beautiful, that is painful to look at sometimes.

I'm leaving now before I start ranting.

What I never understood about politics is the way people vote.
A lot of people are party aligned no matter who the candidate is or even if they don't like him.
A lot of people vote for the least harmful choice.
And a lot of people just don't vote.

But why do people have to select from the candidates presented? If you don't like any of them it is possible to cast a blank or even a null vote. Enough of these could really screw up an election and there would be a need for the politicians to rethink their ways.

Ditto :D

Don't worry, Sir2u... I'll be gone again soon enough. And you won't have to be soiled with the likes of me. — Mongrel

Kind of touchy are we. I was not being nasty, just making a suggestion. X-)

I haven't been around lately, but is this forum afflicted bylow-number-of-posters syndrome? — Mongrel

So do something about it, start a thread worth while posting on. X-)

22nd of January.

You tell 'em, mate. Bloody yanks get everything arse up. X-)

Cheers Mars Man. I only have Chivas Regal, but at least one is for you.

Anyone here want to fess up to being fully self-actualized? — Bitter Crank

The idea that people do actually reach these levels is kind of funny. But you have to remember that these are ideals that people are supposed to strive for not automatic step ups from lower levels.

No one could really think of being honest or truthful when their family is dying of hunger and it is very rare to find people living in the street that are making plans to start a family.

I also wonder if this hierarchy is only applicable in a Westernized context or is cross-cultural. Would one say a Bushman can be self-actualized? Do traditional societies try to meet these needs in different ways or does this hierarchy not apply to non-Western societies? — schopenhauer1

The needs of each society are different so that it would be the same for the individuals that make up that society. If you check out the list above, I believe you will find that it applies to bushmen, samurai, Cossacks London taxi drivers.

Maslow's hierarchy of needs is sequential, but only in the sense that the lower needs have to be fulfilled before the others can be attended to.
Imagine one day walking across the road to your Rolls Royce to go to lunch at a fancy restaurant . Someone come up behind you and holds a gun to your head and asks for your wallet, watch and phone. What do you do? Continue to think about lunch or worry about your car getting scratched? You do neither, you give him what he wants because survival is the first thing on the list of needs.

You would also stop being generous with handouts if you lost your job and lose your pride if you had to beg to eat.
Of course we see examples of people doing the exact opposite of what would be sensible according to Maslow, but there are several other theories that can explain them.

I wish a "MERRY SOMETHING" to all. — Mayor of Simpleton

I agree with you there, something is always better than nothing.

Whatever you celebrate, whatever you believe, I hope you you have a very happy one of them.

And definitely a Happy New Year to everyone.

Come on BC. :) Only one of the answers is even a possibility, #1.

#4 would at least be fun to watch.

Having a greater sense of reason means that we humans can look at the ecosystem and realize how much of a pyramid scheme it is, realize how much an organism suffers simply because it wasn't able to fight back. — darthbarracuda

Yes, I agree that we can. But the question is still "should we?"
Did nature make us aware of these facts so that we should create rules about eating animal? Or did nature give us knowledge of how to survive even at the cost of other species?

To say that we should just follow nature because that's what nature is, is the naturalistic fallacy. — darthbarracuda

I have not heard of any good ways to refute the ideas of naturalistic thinking, have you heard any conclusive rebuttals. Personally I do not believe that just because something happens in nature it must be good or even that just because something does not happen naturally it must be bad. Both can be used to manipulate others in so many ways.
What I do believe is that mankind has no business judging what happens in nature as either good or bad. The world is as it is and mans' pompous attitudes make him think he is allowed to judge something over which he has no control.

If you aren't religious you can still have an ethical system based upon empathy and compassion, which would result in you becoming a vegetarian/vegan/pescetarian out of respect for the animals. — darthbarracuda

Would a wolf or a tiger have compassion for me, even a wild hog would kill a person to eat without a worry. Does having a greater ability to reason automatically make it an obligation to develop compassion and empathy?

What an absurd false dichotomy. Perhaps you are trolling, though. — Thorongil

Let's see you prove it is false then, or are you just being aggravating. 8-)

What the hell????

I came looking for recipes to steal and I find arguments about killing pigs.

If you are religious then the bible says that the animals are for your use, eat em up. If you are not religious then there is no sin to commit, eat em up.

I had a typical English breakfast for lunch yesterday. Bacon, sausage, baked beans, eggs, mushrooms, fried tomatoes and toast.
AHHHHhhh. :D

Are you pining for Mars Man? — bert1

It would be nice to see him around.

I'm going back to PF, why not?

Not all of us left, we just diversified.

I understand why many did actually did leave, you can read all about it in the threads that were created both here and at PF, and some of them had good reasons for doing so. Others were not affected so much.

But, after seeing what is happening over there these past few weeks, I doubt that you will find too much to do. The Shoutbox still has shouts from 10 days ago.

I wonder if the new owners are making money?

Post should accumulate the likes, not the poster.

I probably listened to over 100 hours of philosophy lectures while soldering. I also managed to get in some law, psychology and almost anything else that would pass the time. — shmik

I do that while riding the bus to work.

Back in the days when I did a lot of welding, we didn't have iphones, and there would probably have been too much noise anyway.

What I used to do was rig up the ghetto blaster and put the speakers on oil drums. At one place I used to work, there were lots of tourists around and they had no appreciation for rock and roll at 5am. >:)

Think how much better it would be, stronger and more solid, if the posts were properly welded instead of being cobbled together with flimsy ideas. — unenlightened

That would be suct tape and trying wire, not flimsy ideas. The ideas suck because they are not trying.

Politician goes to 10 clicks.

That is a surprise: never imagined that there was even a small connection.

Welders make more money than philosophers. We need more welders and less philosophers. — Marco Rubio, Florida Senator and presidential candidate

The problem I see here is that, just like most things in capitalistic supply and demand, when there are a lot of welders for the same amount of work they tend to get paid less.

I used to do a lot of welding, industrial, automotive, house and ship repair. A lot of the time, especially on long heavy welds, you start running on auto-pilot after a while. That gives you plenty of time to contemplate the workings of the universe.

As the world moves away from old fashioned, mostly manual labor there is more and more need for specialized training to keep the hi-tech machines running. But a lot of the work requires little thinking after initial or refresher training. Nowadays I see so many people with no problem solving skills and little inclination to even try. It is much easier to call in the next expert in the line.

Only a politician would state that thinkers are not needed by society.

And shit is ten. :P

There is no aware-conscious loop — Michael

You're right, blame it on Benkei, I just followed his lead. :-}
Just goes to show that you should never believe the things you see on the internet without checking it out first.
So school runs out to 8 clicks.

This is fun but I have work to do, work by the way seems to be a one clicker.

Shit is 13 clicks to infinity, it also hits the aware conscious loop.

School is 5 clicks to infinity. When it gets to awareness it circle to conscious.

I see a lot of people saying that where there are a lot of guns there are a lot of deaths by lead poisoning.
I work in what is supposed to be the most dangerous city in a non war zone. People are getting killed all the time. But I doubt that the cause of the deaths is guns. They used to kill them with machetes before guns became easily available.

People get killed because someone wants to kill them, if there were no guns they would just find another way to do it.

That was the point. — darthbarracuda

The point of what?

making the Sun rise in the west — darthbarracuda

Where do you live?

Hey I just realized which thread this conversation is in!!!
Nice welcome for the newcomers. >:)

But when the kids go on a rampage with a gun, they know they are going to die anyway. So it makes no difference.

Could you imagine what would happen if a school kid set off a couple in a school room full of kids? They don't even have to point it at people.

Personally I'd much rather face someone that has a knife than a gun — Wosret

Me too.

and fewer skinny teenagers could pull off mass murder. — Wosret

All they would need is a pressure cooker and BOOM!! They are easier to buy than guns as well.