I wish I still had my Zappa vinyl. Not that I have anything to play it on. — jamalrob

I have a Beatles LP, Please Please Me, hanging on the wall of my office. It is on the Parlophone label and has 14 tracks. It was in almost original condition until we had an earthquake and the part of the house where they were stored got damaged.
15 years ago I got several of my collection valued, I was offered over $600 for that LP. I did not want to sell it at the time and now it is worthless because the sleeve got torn up. :cry:

I have not listened to Frank Zappa in maybe 30 years. Now I have to go and dig out my vinyl collection, and find a player.

There is something about bluegrass fiddles that gets to me.

Is orgasm a mystical state? — ZzzoneiroCosm

I’ve known some women to produce mythical orgasms, — Joshs

I am just so confused I do not have any idea how to answer.
I guess both could be true.

But are you only focusing on women?

I hope this post finds you doing well dear friend~ :flower: — ArguingWAristotleTiff

I'm still doing OK dear lady. Been keeping mostly in the background for a while, but still trying to keep up with what is happening to everyone.

I hope things are getting better for you.

When there is a final post it is hard to know if it is the ultimate word or simply that people have found threads which are more exciting and stimulating. — Jack Cummins

That, I believe, was the original question in the old PF.

It does happen sometimes that someone puts everyone in the thread straight and that is the end of it. But most threads just peter out after multiple repetitions of the same ideas by several posters and a lack of new input to keep it going.
You also have the threads were there is no answer to any of the ideas being discussed even though everyone believes they are right.

!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!Alaways

................................................................................................ Ah, but I do know.

Don't believe that, it could be dangerous.

Shhh you can't type anything here anymore. — Ladybug

I said that a long time ago.

No one paid any attention to me.

Word... — Ladybug

Four letter noun starting with w and ending with d, has or in the middle.
A word made up from letter symbols the is used to signify it self.

Isn't everybody? — Bitter Crank

Biggest club in the world. Free membership. :wink:

Are you sure you have dyslexia? It is usually considered a neurological problem that prevents kids from developing the ability to read, not a condition that undoes already learned abilities

I have dyslexia, it has mild affects most of the time but is more noticeable when under stress or tired. I was always behind as a kid when it came to speed but I did like to read. I got better and faster when I started reading more in my 20's and developed habits and methods to help myself. The effects of dyslexia were hard to notice.
I had to stop reading so much for a couple of reasons, age and my previous profession screwed up my eyes, not as much time as before and the lack of availability of books that I wanted to read. Where I live English language books are rare and expensive.

But I solved the problem by finding places were I could download audio books for free. Now I can sit back, close my eyes and listen all day.

What good is a god who doesn't show favoritism? — baker

That's right. We all know god lets the sport teams that pray hardest before the game win. If that was not the case then what good would he/she/it be.

God doesn't like wishy-washy wankers. I've always avoided being wishy-washy. God likes that. — Bitter Crank

Just guessing, but does that mean that you are still a wanker?:lol:

Who says so? Maybe they are just like all creatures in the universe. Struggling, loving, hating, fighting, accidentally firing up a cigarette with the wrong match that god-children are not allowed to light. — EugeneW

Or as it says in so many holy books, mankind is made in his image. That would really make him a major asshole.

Don't be afraid. One day you will understand... — EugeneW

Ignorance is a curable malady, so I am not at all afraid. But stupidity is incurable and deadly.

I know that one day I will understand, because scientific investigation will explain things.
I hope your god does something about your problems though.

Afraid your ignorance shows? — EugeneW

Not really, I recognize it and embrace it and work hard to overcome it.

But I am scared shitless by yours.

God whispered that in my ear... — EugeneW

Good bye.

If only you would understand the science in it.. But you don'... — EugeneW

How do you know that? Or did an angel whisper it into your ear.

Thanks! I'm writing a book about it. There are a lot of areas in physics involved. There is a series of big bangs. The end of each expansion being the sign for a new one to occur behind it. There is no beginning. Just partial ones. — EugeneW

Unsupported semi-scientific theories used as evidence for a creator, what the hell is the world coming to.

Free Will (can do anything one wants) = Omnipotence (can do anything one wants)

Discuss. — Agent Smith

Go into a Pizza Hut and Order a Big Mac.

Discussed.

How did the mods even let this thread continue? The OP does not fulfill the basic requirements.
Or is this a ploy to prove that you can do whatever you want.

Amazingly I had student's parent asking me why I was so insistent on their kids learning to write using that "old fashioned" writing method. One even told me that in a few years kids will not even do any writing because everything is going digital. :scream: :smirk: and a none existent FACEPALM.

I don't teach language any more. And they get pissed now because I want them to write in paragraphs and learn how to separate them on a computer.

I have a final exllanation of matter and space. — EugeneW

I am happy for you, I really am. I just hope that they make the discovery of the origin of the universe after you have passed on to the better life. It would be a shame to have your dreams shattered and find that it was not there to go to.

The very existence of the universe constitutes the proof. Not in your very limìted sense of proof but in the broader sense that everything that has no scientific explanation for its existence is a proof of creation. — EugeneW

That is basically the reason they say that Columbus discovered America, because there was no proof of it existing before he got there. And we all know what kind of bullshit that is.
Once again no scientific explanation being available for something does not mean that there is not a scientific explanation for it.

There was once a time, and not to long ago, that man could not explain what all of the "stars" in the sky were. Many believed that they were all stars in the cluster that came to be known as the Milky Way. It turned out, about a hundred years ago, that many are separate galaxies.
Time is needed to find the properties of the universe and work out the details to explain it.

It's eternal and infinìte and the laws are too dumb to create themselves. So they can only be created. — EugeneW

Maybe you should try reading a science book or two. There are some very good ones made for 5th, 6th graders that explain a lot of things about the universe. Are you really sure that you need the greatness of a god to create dumb laws for the universe? You make it sound like he did it as a hobby.

Yes. Boring argument! "How can the gods let that happen?" I've heard it 1000 times now. WTF should they care what and how we fuck up? — EugeneW

Yes, I have heard it used many times as well, but I figured out why it keeps happening. Because no one has been smart enough to give an answer. It is impossible for anyone with half a brain and a teaspoon of intelligence to reconcile a kind, loving, supposedly super intelligent creator of the universe with the shithead that does not seem to care about his own creation.

How else can it be? A physical explanation doesn't explain why the physical is there in the first place. — EugeneW

Some people cannot explain why their kids exist, that does not mean that there is no explanation.

But what exactly do you mean when you say "physical explanation"? An explanation would surely have to be contained in some form of communication method, so I am guessing you mean a book or something similar. If there is still no known explanation of how the universe came into being, would it not be surprising to find a "physical explanation" of it in the library?

It's possible not to believe. You wouldn't be a liar but a denier. — EugeneW

Actually no, you are wrong.
I don't believe in the Spaghetti Monster so I am not a believer. But I do not be a denier either. I would just be someone that does not give a shit about it. Action is implicit in being a denier.

Bad idea! — Agent Smith

Boring as hell as well. :worry:

Jackpot! And if the gap is closed, we can nothing but conclude that the building blocks of the universe had to be created. — EugeneW

I have still not seen any proof of that. Are you going to provide any evidence or just continue chanting the same sentence with different words. Repetition of a mistake or untruth does not make it right or true. Conclusions prove nothing, it is the evidence that is used to reach a conclusion that counts.

Modern man is on its way to destroy the beauty that evolved from it. By building railroads, energy plants, factories, etc. — EugeneW

And the gods are OK with that? If so, then there is the proof that mankind was not made in the image of a god. Because no one I know would let someone into their personal home to destroy it.
I think you must have missed the part where I explained about that. Lots of people feel no remorse about the way the planet is treated, but tread on a flower in their garden and they get pissed off. It is their creation, their personal piece of ground. Just as the earth is said to be gods personal creation that he does not seem to give a damn about..

It is also interesting that you used the word evolve to talk about a creation, but we can let that slip unnoticed I believe.

The gods play their own game, not worrying about the games played here. — EugeneW

I once knew a gentleman that spent more than 30 years building a miniature railway in his basement. He used to work at two jobs and get in as much overtime as he could in both and spent most of his money on pieces to build it.
Just looking at the love and dedication put into building all of the thousands of tiny trees, buildings, roads with signs, lakes and so many other details made me want to cry for joy. To see the cars and trains moving around was like watching scenes from real life. He could run about 8 or 10 trains at the same time the thing was so big and on so many levels.

So some religions see mankind as made in the image of their god and think that we were created to be like him.

The man I knew was mentally retarded to a certain degree, never married, no kids and lived in his mothers house. A truly gentle man.

But there is no way in hell he would have just let the fucking neighbor's kids come in and start smashing things up and making a mess of his creation.

But I suppose that if one could create the universe in just seven days or get a turtle to lay an egg or any of those other creation stories why should you give a shit about it. When it breaks, just create a new one.

The fundamental laws of nature and the stuff acting conformly to them contain no recipe how they came into being. — EugeneW

Which fundamental laws are we talking about here? Maybe you could give us an example.
My granny's potato cakes never had a recipe for them either, but they were delicious every time.

Just because something has not been explained does not mean that there is no explanation for it. It just means ignorance still exists.

I don't find the real responsibility for writings to be readable in this chain of logic that I have found. — The Absolute Future

Supposedly, your writing is for others to read. Otherwise you would not have wasted your time.
Supposedly those who read it should enjoy it or maybe form some sort connection to it.

Part of reading something is understanding the words, ideas and information in the writing. When you understand something it makes it possible to form an opinion about it. That is why most good writes break their writing into smaller pieces that are well organized and use clear language.

And judging from the number of posters on this thread that actually respond to your thoughts, maybe you should rethink the way you present future posts.

But please feel free to ignore my friendly advice, and I won't be sending a bill for my services.

No, we don't. All gods are true gods. But if people wanna fight about it, it's up to them. — EugeneW

And I suppose that the benevolent gods sit on the sidelines cheering their team on as well. But I suppose you answer that the gods gave them free will to do as they please.

The universe can't exist because of natural laws only. — EugeneW

And how exactly do you now this? Maybe you could share the evidence you have, I am sure that many of us here would love to see it.

It would be an empty meaningless universe without gods. Now that's proof. — EugeneW

So we need gods so that people can go to war about which is the true god and give the universe meaning.

Before you can make this statement, I think you should submit some proof that the universe either should have, needs, or is somehow dependent on having a meaning.
You cannot state that it would be meaningless without mankind's gods unless it is actually supposed to have a meaning.

You mentioned 'Wet-gloom-shine' in the OP. — ucarr

:lol: :rofl:

Patterns: We have no choice in this regard. If what goes up must come down — Agent Smith

Right, gravity exists without human intervention. Even without humans coming up with the idea of describe it by using numbers it would still hold us on the ground, but there would be no description of it. Math is in the human mind.

These patterns are not invented by us, they're out there, independent of us. The universe exhibits mathematical patterns and these weren't imposed on the universe by us with the aid of language. — Agent Smith

As I have said, everything has properties.

OK, so Banno's red cup actually has red as part of it's being. Or does it just have a property we call red?

First thing a writer should learn to do is organize the words into readable groups called paragraphs. Each paragraph should contain its own idea.

Small pieces are easier to digest.

There's no wiggle room here. — ucarr

Only your word for that, and I am a non believer. The key to your concept is the "built in" bit. But nothing can be proven to contain any mathematical information. If you can show any definitive proof of this claim, please do so. But stating that it is true does not make it so.

If a stone contains that information about itself, which of the stones in a quarry contains the data about the pile? None of them.
As I said already, you are repeating yourself. Please stop.

An invention, in my view, is essentially imagination based. Ergo, what's invented needn't correspond to reality (unicorns, leprechauns, fairies don't exist). — Agent Smith

Most, if not all languages spoken on earth were invented or came from someone's imagination. So you think that languages need not correspond to reality then? That they would not correlate to anything physical?

This has to mean something; it can't be ignored, oui?

The logic here is airtight, is it not? — ucarr

PSsssssssssssssss. :smirk:

When and if I invent a language, the words, their definitions, can't be arbitrary i.e. if I coin a word and define it as I please, the properties listed in my definition will not/should not magically appear in the world.

The words "leprechaun", "elf", "fairy" are such kinds of words - their extension is empty. — Agent Smith

Ask almost anyone to describe a leprechaun or an elf, maybe even an angel. I bet they can do it.

These are words that are used to describe things, whether concrete or abstract. Math is used to describe the properties of the universe and uses words such as inches, meters, degrees, numbers. None of which appear magically in the world but all are just as "real" as a faerie.

Here's where things get interesting because what you have written above is a full, unconditional affirmation of what I've been claiming from the start. — ucarr

Could you just go back to the OP and point out exactly where you stated that. No, don't bother.

You are repeating yourself using different words but saying the same thing. I doubt that anyone has any possibility of change your way of thinking and you have no way of changing anyone else's. The argument has been running for years with advancing at all.

One last question. You don't have to answer.
If mankind had never invented and renovated and updated mathematics to fit into the little bit of the universe that it actually manages to describe reasonably well, would we be stuck with describing it as a very big colorful place with lots of stuff floating around?
My answer would be yes, because math has nothing to do with the universe. It is just the method of describing the properties. We would still be able to describe a lot of the properties because ordinary langue suffices for that.