Right. So why on earth do you keep re-posting the same argument? — Isaac
If the entire mathematical world disagreeing with you isn't enough to dissuade you from your position, then what possible use to you could dissenting opinion on an Internet forum be? — Isaac
And if dissenting opinion is of no use to you, then why post at all. You clearly already agree with your own conclusion, it makes no difference to you if the entire world disagrees. What is there left to discuss? — Isaac
But I don't see how you can get from here to the claim that the first cause has to be timeless — PossibleAaran
If you are asking what a god would be to my mind (which is of no consequences) I would suppose some kind of creator entity...a "first cause" IF AND ONLY IF...there is a need for one. — Frank Apisa
I see absolutely no need for a "first cause." If I came up with a NEED for a "first cause" ...I would be inviting a different infinite regression from the one you suggest. — Frank Apisa
You are suggesting something you cannot know,...and then insisting that you have arrived at it through reason and logic. — Frank Apisa
Ancient philosophy is a mess of glaring mistakes, scientific ignorance, intellectual deficit, irrationality and devotion to mythology or popularity. — whollyrolling
When you say "Things cannot always exist" you are being dogmatic. Fact is...PERHAPS they can. — Frank Apisa
Either there is or is not a "first cause"...or there is a first cause...but EVERYTHING is the first cause — Frank Apisa
Existence itself is infinite...with nothing causing it. And everything within existence...always was also. — Frank Apisa
(I suspect that really is what you are attempting to do, Devans. Search your motives. If you are not doing that...none of this stuff makes any sense.) — Frank Apisa
This is what makes ancient philosophy so lasting, so impossible to defeat, so impressive and amazing. — whollyrolling
The only problem is that you don't know there is one. You stubbornly cling to arguments previously shown to be faulty, and you want to act like an amnesiac in this respect. — S
For example, after the super and mega novas (and even the big bang) there follows a considerable period of 'calming' sorta like regaining equilibrium. Therefore, it may be that even with infinite time and a continued occurrence of big bangs, the equilibrium may still be maintained — BrianW
Hitchen's razor. You have yet to justify your starting point. — S
But what if the coin was six dimensional, had four faces, magic powers, ate cornflakes for breakfast, but also not conflakes for breakfast, and was made of rubber and also cake, but was also a hippopotamus? Why can't we just admit we don't know what side it will land on? — StreetlightX