• Do Christians have Stockholm syndrome where one loves his abuser?
    I didn’t get that impression from the way you speak to hachit, who doesn’t seem to have a mean bone in his body. — Noah Te Stroete

    Accept my invite to debate morals and see what you think.

    I know how I am, an how I think I have to be to deal with belligerent and obtuse religious posters with poor moral as shown by our homophobic ands misogynous friend.

    I use tough love when I have to if I am to continue living by the Golden Rule as well as this quote.

    Proverbs 3:12 For whom the Lord loveth he correcteth; even as a father the son in whom he delighteth.

    Regards
    DL
  • Do Christians have Stockholm syndrome where one loves his abuser?
    I take “meek” to mean “gentle — Noah Te Stroete

    The gentlest is not the fittest.

    You want a loving child. So do I.
    Love is our default setting, in terms of evolution, when we are children and babies.

    Try to recognize that our love biases, when we create them, automatically form a hate biases against anything that would jeopardize that which is loved.

    We, as we get older and find a need for resources, compete for them and the most gentle tend to lose at competitions. How then do you see a way for the gentle to inherit the earth when it is the rich and non-gentle who are inheriting most of the resources on earth?

    Regards
    DL
  • Do Christians have Stockholm syndrome where one loves his abuser?
    About the angels
    will of there own and no free will are different.     — hachit

    Try your idiocy on the young and stupid with both your distortion of meaning here and in god killing or murdering.

    Of course it has, — hachit

    Thanks for admitting to having corrupt morals, but don't try to put that condition on all of us, especially me. Morals are my specialty.

    Secondly all I'm saying is there's a difference between murder and killing — hachit

    Not to the dead one.

    I have no clue what your talking about, in the verse you quote literally it says "he said: " an the verse before it is — hachit

    My bad. The content should have given you a hint that I chose the wrong verse.

    Job 2; 3 And the LORD said unto Satan: 'Hast thou considered my servant Job, that there is none like him in the earth, a whole-hearted and an upright man, one that feareth God, and shunneth evil? and he still holdeth fast his integrity, although thou didst move Me against him, to destroy him without cause.'

    If god cannot abide or be around sin, he sure shows the opposite and you should really stop trying to speak for god, with lies.

    Also God has many ways to communicate, we don't know how they communicated. — hachit

    In other words, you are saying you are a liar and do not know how god communicates.

    As I said "In christian theology sin is defined as to disobey God. " — hachit

    That is another lie. It is defined as missing the mark.

    If all you are going to do is lie and B.S. to me, best to ignore me.

    That or keep going so that I can make people se3e the lying fool you are.

    Regards
    DL
  • Do Christians have Stockholm syndrome where one loves his abuser?
    “The meek shall inherit the earth.”

    This was way more moral than his local contemporaries.     — Noah Te Stroete

    Not really as it goes against natural law, which says the fittest will inherit the earth.

    Did you have your children, an assumption I make that you have some, to have them be the fittest or the meekest?

    Further, the Golden Rule was around for thousands of years before Jesus was even born.

    Regards
    DL
  • Do Christians have Stockholm syndrome where one loves his abuser?
    i really don't care. — James Statter

    I Know.

    You do not live by the Golden Rule or follow the moral dictates of Christianity.

    Regards
    DL
  • Do Christians have Stockholm syndrome where one loves his abuser?
    Please enlighten us because the Bible according to you is complete crap. Do you have a website so that i can learn all about Gnostism? — James Statter

    I am here for any questions.

    The bible is quite a value to me, but not the way you read it.

    I keep a bible in the house even though I think this quote quite correct.

    “The God of the Old Testament is arguably the most unpleasant character in all fiction: jealous and proud of it; a petty, unjust, unforgiving control-freak; a vindictive, bloodthirsty ethnic cleanser; a misogynistic, homophobic, racist, infanticidal, genocidal, filicidal, pestilential, megalomaniacal, sadomasochistic, capriciously malevolent bully.”
    ― Richard Dawkins, The God Delusion

    Then again, I am a Gnostic Christian and know how to read the filth in it.

    Said of Gnostic Christian versus Christian bible reading practices.

    “Both read the Bible day and night; but you read black where I read white.”
    William Blake.

    I would take this further and advise you to read any scriptures from as many POV as is within you. Question everything including yourself.

    The bible, if read as a book of wisdom, does have much wisdom though.

    You just have to read it the way Gnostics do and revers a lot of the Christian morals.

    Christians call evil good while Gnostic Christians call evil, evil.

    I E. Gnostic Christians think that bible God, the demiurge to us, is quite immoral for thinking that torturing King David's baby for 6 days before finally killing it is good justice. Gnostic Christians think that evil while Christians think that a good form of justice.

    Which group do you think is right?

    Regards
    DL
  • Why do christian pastors feel the need to say christianity is not a religion?
    blah blah blah — James Statter

    Thanks for showing you are under the age of maturity.

    Regards
    DL
  • Why do christian pastors feel the need to say christianity is not a religion?
    your right. — James Statter

    I do not know what you are referring to.

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    DL
  • Why do christian pastors feel the need to say christianity is not a religion?
    Gnostic Christian Bishop i'm guessing you are either 30 or older and there is little to no chance you'll ever be a normal christian — James Statter

    Much older, but you are correct in that I will never have the poor morals that normal Christians have.
    There is no way that I would go into intellectual and moral dissonance and idol worship a genocidal son murdering prick of a god not join a homophobic and misogynous religion.

    I guess i'll do a search on gnosticism and discover its like some new age religion. — James Statter

    More like the new age religions have seen the wisdom in our ideology and are moving towards it.

    You say new age as if that were a bad thing.
    I see it as good as they do not look for a genocidal prick of a god like your god to emulate.

    Regards
    DL
  • Why do christian pastors feel the need to say christianity is not a religion?
    i think homosexuality is a sin — James Statter

    Sins, like crimes, generally have a victim. Right?

    Who is the victim in a gay relationship?

    I also take it that you would be against gay marriages.
    Why are you putting sex above love and would prevent two loving people from forming a life long loving relationship?

    Who are you and your ilk to prevent loving relationships?

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    DL
  • Why do christian pastors feel the need to say christianity is not a religion?
    I attempted to answer some of this question elsewhere but how is the God of the Bible misogynistic? — James Statter

    For one, he forgot that men need women to reproduce when he created Adam without his rib woman.

    I do not think I said god was misogynous. I often say that Christianity is as well as being homophobic.

    Their misogyny is plainly seen in Gen 3 when god says--- he shall rule over you, as well as in the

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    DL
  • Why do christian pastors feel the need to say christianity is not a religion?
    Edit: I posted this in the wrong thread, but it’s probably fine here, too — Noah Te Stroete

    I answered at the other location and hope you reply there.

    Regards
    DL
  • Do Christians have Stockholm syndrome where one loves his abuser?
    Don't act like anything i said was going to change your opinion anyway. — James Statter

    I can be moved by good apologetics but you did not provide any.

    Hell, you cannot even answer straight questions.

    Regards
    DL
  • Do Christians have Stockholm syndrome where one loves his abuser?
    I am a Christian in that I believe Christ was enlightened and was a truly moral person. — Noah Te Stroete

    That being the case, would you like to argue for Jesus and his morals against me as I do not see Jesus as very moral at all.

    Just not to blind side you, I will tell you that I particularly dislike his no divorce for women and his substitutional punishment policies.

    I have more but those will either scare you away, as it does most Christians or, hopefully, you will engage. Can you take the truth?

    Regards
    DL
  • Do Christians have Stockholm syndrome where one loves his abuser?

    You are not a Calvinist, nor are you a moral person.

    That is why you do not think a god who punishes the innocent instead of the guilty, including torturing and murdering them, is evil when he obviously is.

    That is also why you did not answer my last question.

    Thanks for showing all here how your beliefs have corrupted your morals.

    Christians are always spouting off about god giving us free will, and here you are saying that god ignoring our free will, that would not want us to be murdered or tortured, is quite ok.

    Regards
    DL     — James Statter
  • Why do christian pastors feel the need to say christianity is not a religion?
    It's not that religious people don't value truth, it's that they value solidarity with a group, a group who shares their values and goals, more than they value truth — praxis

    That is the crux of the matter.

    Religions are created to take advantage of our normal tribal instincts and fellowship needs.

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    DL
  • Why do christian pastors feel the need to say christianity is not a religion?
    ↪James Statter
    I consider my self a christian and i blame money hungry pastors with an over simplified message on the dying Christian church. Thats my personal view. — James Statter

    What compels you to be a Christian and follow a genocidal son murdering god and his homophobic and misogynous religion?

    Regards
    DL
  • Why do christian pastors feel the need to say christianity is not a religion?
    I never said I believe in a ‘literal Jesus’ - I’m not even convinced he existed as an ‘historical’ character. I would say I believe in the literary Jesus, — Possibility

    You break the law of the excluded middle.

    You cannot both believe Jesus to be a historical and literal being and his not being a literal and real being.

    Perhaps you made a grammatical error.

    Regards
    DL
  • Do Christians have Stockholm syndrome where one loves his abuser?
    When did Yahweh torture innocent babies in the bible? — James Statter

    Read the story of King David's babies death by torture for 7 days before god finally murdered it.

    Read of the murders of the first born of Egypt or of the drowning of all the innocent babies and children in Noah's flood.

    Tell us after that reading why god kills instead of cures those he believes afflicted with evil.

    We are all children of god, according to scriptures and we are to emulate god.

    What would you do if you had god's power? Would you kill or would you cure. Remember that Jesus said he came to cure the afflicted and did not come for those who did not need his mentoring.

    Regards
    DL
  • Do Christians have Stockholm syndrome where one loves his abuser?
    The problem here is you don't know your angelology. Angles have no will of there own, that speak nothing except what God wants them to say. — hachit

    ??

    If angels have no free will, how is it that Satan and, they say, a third of the angels rebelled against god?

    Regards
    DL
  • Do Christians have Stockholm syndrome where one loves his abuser?
    Now I think the entire introduced concept of guilt by association is problematic. — CaZaNOx

    A good point.

    Regards
    DL
  • Do Christians have Stockholm syndrome where one loves his abuser?
    Such as all of the religious nonsense. All of it. — S

    IOW, you are too uneducated to know what you are talking about.

    That is why you cannot articulate examples of what you are talking about.

    Regards
    DL
  • Do Christians have Stockholm syndrome where one loves his abuser?
    yes, here is why. God loves humans, however he cannot be in the present ofor sin. The punishment of sin is death. Murder implys hate. This paradox is probably were your idea came from. — hachit

    So killing without cause when god can cure as well as kill, is not murder to you. This shows how your beliefs have corrupted your moral sense.

    If god loved humans, as you say, he would cure instead of kill or murder. Right?

    As to his not being in the presence of sin, did he turn his head when he told Satan to do evil and sins against Job's children and friends?

    You might want to read Job 3;2 where god admits to being a sinner himself when he sais that Satan moved him to do harm without a just cause.

    If the punishment for sin is death, the god is dead. Right?

    Regards
    DL
  • Do Christians have Stockholm syndrome where one loves his abuser?
    Was the seven day torture of King David's baby before finally murdering it just a normal killing to you?
    Are the many drowning's of babies and children In Noah's flood just plain od killing and not murder to you?

    Regards
    DL
  • In Search of God
    Nothing yet? — S

    That is not correct.

    We do not define god the same way.

    Stevan Davies. The savior is not a celestial being brought to earth; the savior is a capacity of the mind, and the savior’s journey from above is actually one’s own journey from within.

    John Lennon. It seems to me that the only true Christians were the Gnostics, who believed in self-knowledge, I.E. becoming Gods themselves, reaching the Christ within, the light is the truth. Turn on the light. All the better to see you my dear.

    Regards
    DL
  • Do Christians have Stockholm syndrome where one loves his abuser?
    If you're going to talk about this, I'm going to need a more specific example of Christians calling evil, good. — hachit

    What can be more specific and evil than mass murder?

    Be specific.

    Regards
    DL
  • Do Christians have Stockholm syndrome where one loves his abuser?
    You're as bad as them in some respects — S

    Such as?

    Regards
    DL
  • In Search of God
    Louco — Louco

    I see it as showing a lot of imagination. Selecting the best scenario out of what is imagined.

    You do not like my reply or answer yet do not posit anything better.

    Have you heard of Freud and Jung's Father complex?

    I think that that is where our basic instincts are stored and evaluated by our minds.

    Regards
    DL
  • In Search of God
    To be fair to him, you only changed one letter and added a comma. — leo

    I noticed that.

    I am French and am not surprised when criticised for my English.

    Regards
    DL
  • In Search of God
    If so, what is the role of imagination in your psychology? — Louco

    I guess that it's role is to try to dither out, before choosing a love or hate bias, what the various options are so as to select the one most likely to give the best possible end.

    As that link posits, our selfish gene's map is just a rough sketch and our imaginations seem to try to fill in more accurate paths.

    I have yet to see any study of a child's imagination so take the above as pure speculation.

    Regards
    DL
  • Faith- It's not what you think
    That really triggers him. — S

    I am not here for that.
    I believe this quote and only go personal in a reciprocal way.

    Great minds discuss ideas; average minds discuss events; small minds discuss people. Eleanor Roosevelt

    If someone is a fool, I prefer to not bother with them.

    Regards
    DL
  • Faith- It's not what you think
    If you are saying that...we are not in agreement. I do not know if there are any gods or not...and neither do you. — Frank Apisa

    I am going by the evidence. Try it.

    In the meantime, I thought I was speaking with an adult. Apparently I was incorrect. I apologize for the mistake. — Frank Apisa

    Accepted, you pathetic piece of garbage.

    Regards
    DL
  • The idea that we have free will is an irrational idea
    The interesting part of free will discussions happens when the one who denies his free will, has to tell just whose will he is doing if not his own.

    Who is the ghost in the machine?

    Regards
    DL
  • Why do christian pastors feel the need to say christianity is not a religion?
    I don’t do worship — Possibility

    IOW, you have created your own god, without looking at, or not accepting, the biblical narrative.

    Why then do you call yourself a Christian?

    You say you do not read the bible literally, but must if you are to believe in a literal Jesus.

    This might interest you.

    Jesus for the non religious - Retired bishop John Spong on religion.
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fUmKEH9jnu8

    Regards
    DL
  • In Search of God
    You are creating a psychology there. — Louco

    No sir. Just reporting the facts, as described in this link.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8LIb22-5Lwg

    Would you say that thought is a substrate upon which instincts are built, or the other way around? — Louco

    I think that our instincts are (written) in our genes. I guess that our thinking is involves as situations and our responses, positive or negative, must be evaluated before our minds tell our bodies what to do.

    Regards
    DL
  • In Search of God
    Wisdom is based on knowledge, and one cannot reach his height of wisdom if he ignore verifiable knowledge.

    Instincts guide us from birth on. They create our love and hate biases.

    To not consider instincts, especially the tribal instincts that religions use to enslave the gullible, when dithering things out about religions, is not a good idea. You would be ignoring a key piece of the puzzle.

    A piece that has good people idol worshiping vile and immoral gods.

    Regards
    DL
  • In Search of God
    Yeah, you are right. I should have written that having no religion is the right way for a man of knowledge, but of course there are the unwashed masses who need shiny trinkets. — Louco

    Oops.
    What I put on tribalism fellowship and our instincts went right over your head.

    Perhaps my favorite social scientist can educate you where I failed.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T64_El2s7FU

    Regards
    DL
  • If governments controlled disposable income of the .1 %, would poverty end?
    The catch is that given ecological footprint vs. biocapacity there aren't enough material resources and energy worldwide to provide increasing goods and services. — ralfy

    ??

    I have not read anything that proves this to be a fact. What peer reviewed report have you found to bolster your view?

    I do agree with your assessment of the minute adjustment to our socio economic demography that would be required to do the right thing.

    Regards
    DL
  • Why do christian pastors feel the need to say christianity is not a religion?
    I adhere to what I consider to be the basic tenet of Christianity — Possibility

    That would include the idol worship of a genocidal son murdering god. Right?

    Is that not a turn off for you from a moral POV?

    Regards
    DL
  • In Search of God
    However I see it, not having religion seems to me the right way to live. — Louco

    I cannot agree due to the fact that I see religions as tribal groups that take advantage of our tribal instincts that crave fellowship.

    Even atheists are recognizing this fact and are opening atheist churches so as to appease this instinct in their children and give their children an alternative to the supernatural idiotic thinking of the mainstream religions.

    Statism is all many need for their tribal thinking but many want the fellowship of local churches for the more direct fellowship and basically, a place to be buried in the traditional family plots.

    Regards
    DL
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