Sure, you can use it and anything I put; all for the cause. — PoeticUniverse

Perfect. Thanks.

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nobody — Purple Pond

LOL.

Nobody?

Show the survey, or be seen as a liar.

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Isn't it strange that fear makes us pray? Kinda makes you think about who's at fault here? — TheMadFool

As our friend just posted.

Only a Fool would blame His own creations
For the taint therein—of His poor craftsmanship.
— PoeticUniverse

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Can someone please shut this Bishop? — Purple Pond

The truth hurts eh. Poor demented fool.

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Only a Fool would blame His own creations
For the taint therein—of His poor craftsmanship. — PoeticUniverse

Question.
Can I plagiarize this as is or will I have to ruin the symmetry with my own wording.

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Well, there goes integrity, imitating a Bad Role Model. — PoeticUniverse

Indeed.

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PoeticUniverse — PoeticUniverse

I have never been good at poetry and art but I like what I saw.

I have been fighting the genocidal god lovers for some time with the expected results with the obtuse and resilient ones who do not care about their immoral sense.

Perhaps a poem would be better.

I do like some poems and songs of this type and even quote them on occasion.

Sample.

"Whoever imagines himself a favorite with God,
holds other people in contempt.
Whenever a man believes that he has the exact truth from God,
there is in that man no spirit of compromise.
He has not the modesty born of the imperfections of human nature;
he has the arrogance of theological certainty and the tyranny born of ignorant assurance.
Believing himself to be the slave of God,
he imitates his master,
and of all tyrants,
the worst is a slave in power."
--Robert Ingersoll

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Religions are about making yourself those choices, usually moral choices, and guiding their followers on how to be a good person. — ssu

True, and Christians, for instance, have chosen to idolize a genocidal and infanticidal god while thinking that such a moral monster is good.

Faith without facts is for fools.

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a self proclaimed divinity. — fresco

Quote that you G D liar.

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Why would God bother with you or me? Individual humans on a small speck of dust in a secluded cul-de-sac of an inconsequential spiral galaxy.... :chin: — Pattern-chaser

God, as we can see, does not bother with us. I do not expect a fictional character to do so.

You seem to want to compare my ego with others.

I, unlike Christians, do not think a god would actually die for little old me.

Who has an inflated ego?

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desperate — Purple Pond

No. Persistent.

Don't you know that one of the greatest joys in life is learning something new?

Do you expect to learn much from dull minds?

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Then why haven't you learnt that no one cares about your stupid religious cult nonsense? — S

True to a degree.

That is why I do not push it much and concentrate on the harm of Christianity and Islam.

Both Christianity and Islam, slave holding ideologies, have basically developed into intolerant, homophobic and misogynous religions. Both religions have grown themselves by the sword instead of good deeds and continue with their immoral ways in spite of secular law showing them the moral ways.

Jesus said we would know his people by their works and deeds. That means Jesus would not recognize Christians and Muslims as his people, and neither do I. Jesus would call Christianity and Islam abominations.

Gnostic Christians did in the past, and I am proudly continuing that tradition and honest irrefutable evaluation based on morality.

https://topdocumentaryfilms.com/theft-values/

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZxoxPapPxXk

Humanity centered religions, good? Yes. Esoteric ecumenist Gnostic Christianity being the best of these.

Supernaturally based religions, evil? Yes. Islam and Christianity being the worst of these.

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I found like twenty websites with the very same topic. — Purple Pond

I seek good minds and as here, they are hard to find.

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Thanks for this.

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is hardly going to make for fruitful conversation — khaled

Against the obtuse and belligerent believers, you are generally correct as few are ready for enlightenment.

I am always happy to learn.
Show us one of these fruitful conversations that you or someone else started that paid off and cause a theist to agree against his original belief.

You must have had one in mind when you wrote what you did.

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A is for apple as B is for...? — S

S is for stupid.

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Gnostic is to agnostic as theism is to atheism. :brow: — S

Too illiterate for me to bother responding to.

You are trying to impress yourself as you have sure failed to impress me.

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But I see nothing there that demonstrates that God is hiding, — Coben

Then look at the rest of reality. If not here, he is hiding.

making an assumption. — Coben

An educated guess that I can form arguments for. Quite the difference.

And that's accepting that the 10 commandments show and insecure God...there's still a leap. — Coben

Yes, but if you wish to argue for your view and not just my methods, go ahead. Kill the messahe and not the messenger.

Well, you've added a lot of interpretations — Coben

No I have not. It is the literal view of the scriptures.

You tried Christian practices and experienced elevation to divine status? — Coben

Not a Christian practice. A Gnostic Christian practice. Christianity took god out of man and put him in the sky somewhere. We know that god is within man.

I don't think 'that's what preachers begin with'. — Coben

Not todays preachers until someone stumps them with a question and that is when they hide behind their unknowable label. In the past, preachers were more honest. Now they are just all liars and con men.

I think it would show an incredibly poor read of other people to think all preachers are lying or even most. — Coben

Yet the sages say the when looking at anything, we should not be for or against as that gives us an unbiased beginning point.

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Unfortunately, the 'Bishop', who admits elsewhere to being a 'business dropout' — fresco

You are as lying piece of human garbage.
Get the quote ass hole or be seen for the liar you are.

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P.S. If you are going to be one of my groupies, I have a list of where I post if you want to really keep tracking me with your great interest.

So what do you actually believe - in the very basic sense - god or no? - if yes, what powers does your god have? Are there more than 1 gods? — ZhouBoTong

Man is god and we are legion.

The gods or ideal for every species is one of their own. This is irrefutable.

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Dang...I thought the entire gnostic religion was playing off sarcasm... — ZhouBoTong

Try reality and Gnosis and what can be known. Somewhat like Buddhism and other religions that put man above god thanks to knowing that all gods are man made.

gnostic is atheist, — ZhouBoTong

Gnosis, Gnostic, root word for agnostic.

Need I say more?

The original gnostics had like a good and bad god (I think demiurge was the bad one?) or something right? — ZhouBoTong

The demiurge is Yahweh, Allah and all supernatural gods, basically.

Those are a part of how we wrote our myths.
We do not read our myths literally.
That is the great lie that people cannot get past because they see the Christian part of our label and thing we believe in the supernatural like the less intelligent literalists of Christianity do.

I hope you can see how intelligent the ancients were as compared to the mental trash that modern preachers and theists are using with the literal reading of myths.

https://bigthink.com/videos/what-is-god-2-2

Further.
http://www.pbs.org/moyers/journal/03132009/watch.html

Rabbi Hillel, the older contemporary of Jesus, said that when asked to sum up the whole of Jewish teaching, while he stood on one leg, said, "The Golden Rule. That which is hateful to you, do not do to your neighbor. That is the Torah. And everything else is only commentary. Now, go and study it."
Please listen as to what is said about the literal reading of myths.

"Origen, the great second or third century Greek commentator on the Bible said that it is absolutely impossible to take these texts literally. You simply cannot do so. And he said, "God has put these sort of conundrums and paradoxes in so that we are forced to seek a deeper meaning."

Matt 7;12 So in everything, do to others what you would have them do to you, for this sums up the Law and the Prophets.

This is how early Gnostic Christians view the transition from reading myths properly to destructive literal reading and idol worship.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oR02ciandvg&feature=BFa&list=PLCBF574D

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The younger generation seems more amenable to change. — PoeticUniverse

Yes. The education system is at least getting that part right.
Our children are not nearly the racists or bigots of past generations.

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PoeticUniverse — PoeticUniverse

Indeed.

Thanks for this.

Do what you can to make it sooner as they are still hurting many.

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Philosophy and theology, to me, are the same.
Both seek to find the best rules and laws to live by.
They are both ideologies or thinking systems and to me, feed off of each other.

If you are not esoteric ecumenist and naturalist enough to not care where you find the best rules and laws to live by then you have an inferior mind.

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If he did, nobody wouldn't have to have any faith as the issue simply wouldn't be about faith and religion anymore.

And anyway, what the hell would he say to us? — ssu

Look at our eco system and what god would say to us becomes a lot easier to see.

As to faith. What good is faith, and are you aware that our definition today bears almost no resemblance to what the word faith originally meant?

I do not mind the old definition but wrote this for todays definition.

Faith closes the mind. It is pure idol worship.

Faith is a way to quit using, "God given" power of Reason and Logic, and cause the faithful to embrace doctrines that moral people reject.

The God of the OT says, “Come now, and let us reason together,” [Isaiah 1:18]

How can literalists reason on God when they must ignore reason and logic and discard them when turning into literalist?

Those who are literalists can only reply somewhat in the fashion that Martin Luther did.
“Faith must trample under foot all reason, sense, and understanding.”
“Reason is a whore, the greatest enemy that faith has.”

This attitude effectively kills all worthy communication that non-theists can have with theist. Faith closes the believers mind as it is pure idol worship.

Literalism is an evil practice that hides the true messages of myths. We cannot show our faith based friends that they are wrong through their faith colored glasses. Their faith also plugs their ears.

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antichristian — S

You love their genocidal son murdering god and how Christianity is homophobic and misogynous and do a lot of harm. OK. I get it you immoral piece of human garbage.

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Yeah, that's a problem. If god is all powerful, he can do anything. But how can a non-physical god do physical things? — Purple Pond

Seems he can't, but if Christians want to believe it then they would say yes to the question ---

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JnbfuAcCqpY

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'Apotheosis' ........as in the declaration by Caligula of his deification to his Uncle Claudius ?
...and you think this is a viable subject for a philosophy forum ? :wink: — fresco

I had no particular historic event in mind and did not think philosophy restricted itself to only certain topics.

Apotheosis is analogue to finding Jung and Freud's Father Complex in me, having experienced it, and it would surprise me if philosophy ran from discussing that.

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All action is physical, and god is not physical. So he can't do anything. Which means he can't show himself. — Purple Pond

Then if he is not all powerful the way god is described, why call such an inferior creature god?

You also just denied gods ability to reproduce, as Mary, a woman he coveted, is also a part of the physical.

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I conclude that your faith in your own mythology must be pretty shaky to risk being so easily demolished by a mere atheist like me ! :naughty: — fresco

Only children, those with over inflated egos and ass holes take a win they have not earned or would gloat over it.

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It's all hypothetical anyway, so why even care? It's not like there's any reason to genuinely believe that there's a God to begin with. — S

I agree that belief in such would be stupid.

I hope you can agree that it is our duty to others to try to kill all such beliefs in those who use them for evil reasons.

I gave fresco the following above. Here again if you missed it.

If you think you should live by the Golden Rule, change the labels in this quote to women, minorities, gays or children being brainwashed by religions and it shows what we should be thinking and doing for each other.

"First they came for the Jews, but I did nothing because I'm not a Jew. Then they came for the socialists, but I did nothing because I'm not a socialist. Then they came for the Catholics, but I did nothing because I'm not a Catholic. Finally, they came for me, but by then there was no one left to help me." – Pastor Father Niemoller (1946)”

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How do you know this must be the case? — Coben

Fear is a component or analogous to insecurity. Have you read the Ten Commandments.
Did you note the insecurity/fear?

How do you know the Bible means God could only do it that way? — Coben

If god could reproduce true or some other way, I cannot see him, as a member of one species, using bestiality to reproduce. Especially given that the last time the sons of god used the earth as a brothel, god got quite upset and used genocide against his own grandchildren.

The Christian myth does get too stupid for words sometimes eh?

They offer a set of practices, ones that often lead to experiences that practitioners consider to be of God. — Coben

Sure. Such are common, but what they are finding is not a genocidal and infanticidal god. No one in their right mind would seek such a prick of a god.
I think I just said something about Christians and Muslims here.

Have you tried that? — Coben

Yes, and was rewarded with my apotheosis.

They all lie? How do you know that? That seems extremely unlikely to me. — Coben

If so, how is the supernatural realm accessed?

You might have forgotten that The Abrahamic god has historically been said from the start to be unknowable, unfathomable and works in mysterious ways.

That is what preachers begin with, then tell us all the know of the unknowable and fathom of the unfathomable. What could their words be but lies?

It seems like people find use in their experiences and appreciate them. — Coben

Indeed. as shown with inquisitions and jihads.

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but on the grounds that he merely engages in challenging conventional 'believers' in order to reinforce his own belief system. In other words, he contributes nothing. — fresco

That is not what I do you lying piece of human garbage.

For evil to grow, all good people need do is nothing.

I do as much as I can against the evil mainstream religions on that front and only bring Gnostic Christianity in on occasion.

If you think you should live by the Golden Rule, change the labels in this quote to women, minorities, gays or children being brainwashed by religions and it shows what we should be thinking and doing for each other.

"First they came for the Jews, but I did nothing because I'm not a Jew. Then they came for the socialists, but I did nothing because I'm not a socialist. Then they came for the Catholics, but I did nothing because I'm not a Catholic. Finally, they came for me, but by then there was no one left to help me." – Pastor Father Niemoller (1946)”

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But how do we know we are doing this unless we engage in the arena of ideas? — Noah Te Stroete

Perfect.

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I suggest it is that is your fear — fresco

I suggest you read this if you are going to reply to me or you will like my next reply even less.

Great minds discuss ideas; average minds discuss events; small minds discuss people.
Eleanor Roosevelt

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Hard to quote Gnostics when they believe in many odd things. — Riley

I appreciate that given all the lies that the inquisitors put out there to justify their many inquisitions.

Best to ask a modern Gnostic Christians what his beliefs are because Gnostic Christianity is a perpetual seeking religion that has evolved along with man's moral thinking.

For instance, we see the worth of modern secular law as compared to the barbaric laws that Christians and Muslims would enact if given the power.

What odd thing did you have in mind.
If it lacks logic and reason or is supernatural, it is likely a lie. We hold no supernatural beliefs.

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Before anyone can make these claims, they must prove the existence of these gods.

Otherwise they are giving credence to the believers' ideas they are trying to demolish. — Sir2u

Not when one is just analyzing a myth.

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The 'God' who is supposed to be everywhere shows up nowhere. — PoeticUniverse

Nicely said.

I have noted that, yes.

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I forgive mine, just as I forgive you yours here.
That would be more of a god than a God. ;-)
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For evil to grow and all that buddy.

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