• Ukraine Crisis
    One of the awful things I've encountered personally, sort of, while chatting with a nurse originally from Russia:

    Russian travelers say they fear one question: ‘Where are you from?’
    — Monica Pitrelli · CNBC · Apr 9, 2023
    Back then, when you say “I’m from Russia,” the first thing people say is vodka, bears, Matryoshka [dolls], and all that innocent stuff. You kind of feel like yeah, I’m from Russia — it’s cool. — Lana

    The Kremlin isn't just generating distrust and hate among the defenders. Expected but awful.

    On a lighter note, ♫ cue theme from The Twilight Zone ♬, ...

    Putin 'body double' prompts incredible claim from Ukraine spy
    — Tara Meakins · Yahoo · Oct 31, 2022
    Which one do you think is the real one? (Anton Gerashchenko · Mar 20, 2023)
    The conspiracy theory that a fake Vladimir Putin visited Ukraine is more proof we are at war with reality
    — Vinay Menon · Toronto Star · Mar 21, 2023

    :D
  • Politics fuels hatred. We can do better.
    There's a social structure here which perpetuates a particular attitude. That's of interest to me to explore. So I do.Isaac

    Feel free to tell, please. Findings?

    (The usual admin/mod/member/... are common online. The forum denizens are a varied lot, though probably not with the same distribution as the world at large.)

    They want power and to tell people how to live their lives.NOS4A2

    All of them...? :brow:
  • Ukraine Crisis
    Just for your entertainment, an assessed ranking of the wealth of world leaders translated to US$s:

    --- ------------------------------  -----------------  ---------------  -----------
     1.  Vladimir Putin                 Russia             200,000,000,000  200 billion
     2.  Kim Jong-un                    North Korea          5,000,000,000  5 billion
     3.  Xi Jinping                     China                1,500,000,000  1½ billion
     4.  Bashar al-Assad                Syria                1,500,000,000  1½ billion
     5.  Ali Bongo Ondimba              Gabon                1,000,000,000  1 billion
     6.  Rishi Sunak                    UK                     843,000,000  843 million
     7.  Teodoro Obiang Nguema Mbasogo  Equatorial Guinea      600,000,000  600 million
     8.  Ilham Aliyev                   Azerbaijan             500,000,000  500 million
     9.  Paul Kagame                    Rwanda                 500,000,000  500 million
    10.  Cyril Ramaphosa                South Africa           450,000,000  450 million
    11.  William Ruto                   Kenya                  338,000,000  338 million
    12.  Lee Hsien Loong                Singapore               51,000,000  51 million
    13.  Recep Tayyip Erdoğan           Turkey                  50,000,000  50 million
    14.  Emmanuel Macron                France                  31,500,000  31½ million
    15.  Volodymyr Zelenskyy            Ukraine                 20,000,000  20 million
    16.  Justin Trudeau                 Canada                  13,000,000  13 million
    17.  Joe Biden                      US                       8,000,000  8 million
    18.  Prayut Chan-o-cha              Thailand                 3,000,000  3 million
    19.  Nicolás Maduro                 Venezuela                2,000,000  2 million
    --- ------------------------------  -----------------  ---------------  -----------
    

    Note though, some wealth is by inheritance (all kinds of details).
    Both leaders in the Russia → Ukraine war are among the top 15.
  • Dilemma
    Don't know.
    I might ask my mother if handing the ticket to the 20 year old would be OK, perhaps just because she's lived a lifetime, which the 20 year old hasn't.
    So, I'd lean towards the younger person, which I then voted.
    Or, I might panic and toss a die. :)
    A variation of the trolley problem.
  • Politics fuels hatred. We can do better.
    , hatred can also fuel politics.
    Some campaigners focus on degrading their opponents, whereas others focus on telling listeners what they would do if elected.
    Occasionally, I've found this an easy indicator.
  • Ukraine Crisis
    , that's your response to the massacre?
    (by the way, nah, that's not a summary of "the last 400 pages"; I notice you've picked up @Streetlight's torch here (unless @Streetlight is typing in the background :smile:), is that what you mean by "we"?)

    , OK not silence. :up: Feel free to elaborate if you have something further.
  • Ukraine Crisis
    War/violence is bad, I think most agree.

    invasion of Iraqboethius

    ... have been fairly consistently and openly criticized (including by Americans), as well it should.

    Opinion: ‘At my first meeting with Saddam Hussein, within 30 seconds, he knew two things about me,’ says FBI interrogator
    — Peter Bergen · CNN · Mar 21, 2023
    jorndoe

    With that ↑ out of the way, what's an appropriate response to something like the Halabja massacre?

    Support/hail the attackers; apathy/laissez-faire (or silent complicity); say "We condemn these attacks" and go on about your business; diplomacy; pray/hope for divine/alien intervention; sanctions/boycotts; lean on the UN; try flooding the attacker's society with ehh propaganda (or otherwise hope journalists can/will engender sufficient exposure/outrage); try clandestine operations to change the attacker's society('s leadership); surgical/small/larger military interventions; respond in kind; destroy/nuke'm; ...? (← not an exclusive either/or)

    Indecision is more or less like apathy/laissez-faire. Unfortunately, critique alone can result in the same.

    Anyone have good responses? (This thread alone is on page 463 as of typing, surely someone must have something?)
  • Ukraine Crisis
    You think it's a good thing to boycott a medium for diplomacy?Benkei

    Me personally? I wouldn't have walked out. (Wouldn't have blocked them off the airways either.) Don't know if there was a dialogue/exchange though.
  • Ukraine Crisis
    Russian accused of war crimes triggers walkout at UN Security Council
    — Allegra Goodwin, Florence Davey-Attlee · CNN · Apr 6, 2023

    Albania, Malta, UK, US representatives left when Lvova-Belova was speaking.

    one of the most highly involved figures in Russia’s deportation and adoption of Ukraine’s children, as well as in the use of camps for ‘integrating’ Ukraine’s children into Russia’s society and cultureYale School of Public Health » Humanitarian Research Lab » Conflict Observatory
    a clear demonstration of their indifference to the fate of the children of Donbas and Ukrainian childrenVasily Nebenzya

    Child abduction is serious enough, but Kuleba aired further concerns.

    The country which systematically violates all fundamental rules of international security is presiding over a body whose only mission is to safeguard and protect international securityDmytro Kuleba

    Maybe the Russian nappers could publicize requisite registrations and sufficient paperwork, ask UNICEF to take care of it, or something?
  • Ukraine Crisis
    This constitutes a major shift for Northern Europe, which used to be one of the most stable regions in the worldabove

    Hmm why "used to be" ...? NATO isn't going to destabilize Finland.

    , well, their reaction to Finland, Sweden → NATO has varied, "who cares", "military and other counter-measures", ... You think they'll invade...Sweden? Doubtful. (their larger bag has other tricks anyway, like Feb 22, 2022, Mar 30, 2023) We can speculate... What might have happened with a more Gorbachev-style Russia? Would Navalny have invaded Ukraine? Would a less aggressive, democratic Russia have made Ukraine forget about (or down-prioritized) a NATO application?

    Happy Easter everyone, or whatever (if anything) you call those days off (if you have them off). OK, you know what I mean. :)
  • Ukraine Crisis
    As mentioned by , public comments from Russian officials have been all over...
    the Russian Federation will have to respond with military-technical, as well as other measures in order to address national security threats arising from Finland joining NATO
    [...]
    This constitutes a major shift for Northern Europe, which used to be one of the most stable regions in the world
    Foreign Ministry Statement on Finland completing the process to join NATO · Ministry of Foreign Affairs of Russia · Apr 4, 2023

    Secretary Antony J. Blinken and NATO Secretary General Jens Stoltenberg Before Their Meeting
    — US Department of State · Apr 4, 2023
    And I’m tempted to say this is maybe the one thing we can thank Mr. Putin for, because he, once again here, has precipitated something he claims to want to preventAntony Blinken


    FYI, an older but pertinent analysis:

    Russia’s land grabs in Ukraine could break the international order
    — Paul Hensel, Sara Mitchell, Andrew Owsiak, Krista Wiegand · The Washington Post · Mar 4, 2022
    Our research shows that irredentist conflicts — waged with the purported goal of capturing territory to incorporate ethnic kin — are frequently violent. Russia’s recent actions toward Ukraine are similar to the tactics it used in Georgia and Moldova to support separatist claims.
    [...]
    The average country was involved in 2.5 territorial conflicts around World War I but participates in less than 0.5 today — and many conflicts involve small islands rather than large territories. In the same time period, conflict scholars saw reductions in the average number of countries participating in war. The mean number of countries fighting interstate wars declined from five in 1950 to less than 0.5 in 2007.


    Anyway, Ukraine, Finland, and Sweden have chosen. (And Moldova is nervous.)
  • Ukraine Crisis
    , not exactly; could be whoever. It just so happens that it was Putin who instigated the Ukrainians' predicament — invasion, bombings, re-enculturation efforts, bullshitting, shamming, ..., continuing to generate hate among the defenders — and he might well also be the one individual that can end the crap today (doesn't even have to give reasons, just send the invaders home, and not to Finland, please). That by itself warrants some attention at least. It's become up to Putin/Russia to dispel the vaguely sinister undertones.

    Again (again), ? Already mentioned the thread; I ain't your secretary, have daytime job, life outside the forums. Since you apparently haven't read, you could always hit up google on the Russian down spiral, not a democracy, long story, Ukrainian efforts to join democratic organizations, transparency, hitting on corruption (all the while being bombed into PTSD or worse, and the Kremlin feasting on caviar). Usual directional stuff.

    Anyway, in the interest of not hiding anything, here's a different report:

    Ukrainian soldier pleads 'partly guilty' at Russia's first war crime trial
    — Jake Cordell, Kevin Liffey · Reuters · Apr 4, 2023

    Brief...

    Russia May Finance Continued War in Ukraine Via ‘External Financial Support’ From ‘Friendly’ States
    — Tony Spitz · Veuer · Apr 5, 2023 · 1m:7s

    https://www.dailymotion.com/video/x8jsobj
  • Ukraine Crisis
    In Russia's St Petersburg, locals say Finland 'making problems' with NATO accession
    — Reuters via The Jerusalem Post · Apr 4, 2023
    In Russia's St Petersburg, locals say Finland 'making problems' with NATO accession
    — Kevin Liffey, Frank Jack Daniel · Reuters · Apr 4, 2023
    I don't think anything will change for us. It'll only get worse for the Finns because we won't go there, and they'll only incur losses from this. — Yevgeny
    We used to consider it a brotherly country of the capitalist world, the closest to us in spirit, in relations, in mutually-beneficial economic relations. But now we'll consider it as a state that is unfriendly to us. — Nikolai
    This is just a conspiracy by the Anglo-Saxon world. We have always had good neighborly relations with Finland. — Vasily
    If they wanted to unite with Russia against NATO, then I would be glad. — Alexei

    Not really news, though, Sweden wants to follow, and the invasion of Ukraine is the problem in the first place. :shrug: (← need icon) Go democracy, quit putting away contenders to (and critics of) the Kremlin, all that stuff, and "problems" might just start evaporating. (y)

    Finland in NATO: strategic shift with material gain
    — Daphne Benoit, Didier Lauras · AFP via Yahoo · Apr 4, 2023
  • Is indirect realism self undermining?
    Spinoza taught us how we come to know an outside physical world; it was by the world of objects making alterations to the state of our biology, our bodies, this, processed through the understanding is our everyday reality or apparent reality. For us, it is our only subjective reality and for us, there is no direct knowledge of reality.boagie

    Hmm...
    If stated as knowledge, then the statement can't be reality, since otherwise it would be contradictory, yes?
    (Not referring to Spinoza, just the no-knowledge part.)
    In my reading (which could easily be wrong), the statement partitions everything into ehh my/our subjective experiences and reality (mutually exclusive), but maybe the verbiage covers more...
    We need not become something else to attain knowledge thereof, right?
  • Ukraine Crisis
    , there were reports a while back of parents that had to find a way to travel to Moscow, quickly, or their kids would be gone. :/ Allegedly, verified.
  • Ukraine Crisis
    I read them.Isaac

    No, you haven't. Things have happened. Not mere ...

    opinions speculating on selected evidence.Isaac

    And meanwhile in Putin's Russia ↘ (also mentioned in the thread)...


    In other news, spreading ...

    Bomb kills Russian war blogger in St Petersburg cafe
    — Mark Trevelyan, Felix Light · Reuters · Apr 2, 2023

    ... beyond Ukraine?

    We'll defeat everyone, we'll kill everyone, we'll rob everyone we need to. Everything will be as we like it.Vladlen Tatarsky
  • Ukraine Crisis
    They are opinions, speculations based on a selection of facts.Isaac

    So you didn't read them. Not going to dig them up and list them again, but there's a recent one here (ECFR).

    On another note, there's been some speculation that Shoigu is positioned to succeed Putin as head of Russia. He's been a candidate for some time. How likely is it that he would improve things?
  • Ukraine Crisis
    Putin's war efforts in Ukraine continue to create hatersFeb 26, 2023

    Russia's war on Ukraine latest: Kyiv assails Russia's UN Security Council presidency
    — Reuters · Apr 1, 2023
    Kyiv says Russian UN Security Council presidency is absurd
    — The Jerusalem Post · Apr 1, 2023
    Ukraine Calls Russia’s UN Security Council Presidency ‘Slap In The Face’
    — RFE/RL · Apr 1, 2023

    Fitting date. :)

    So far you've just followed the Western propaganda. I've given solid evidence about Ukraine's human rights record, arms dealing, corruption, and oppression and you've come back with nothing but bluster.Isaac

    ... just ... propaganda ... bluster? :roll: You've consistently ignored comments regarding the trajectory of Putin's Russia versus Ukraine's trajectory, except indirectly here, and there's been a bit about that already. Russia isn't a democracy.

    Here's a way to "save lives". :)Mar 27, 2023
    A president against a president and vice president against a vice president, and a duel takes place, if they are serious. And in this way we are saving the American and Iraqi people.Taha Yassin Ramadan (Iraqi vice president, 2002)
  • The American Gun Control Debate
    I see nothing wrong with the Parental Rights in Education bill because it restricts the power of the state and expands the power of parentsNOS4A2

    In the general case, it's not quite that simple.

    Better communication could help prevent deaths like Alex Radita's, inquiry hears
    — Jason Herring · Calgary Herald · Sep 22, 2022

    Alex Radita (1998-2013) could have avoided much suffering and death, and instead experienced life. In my personal opinion (of little importance), the sentences of the parents were harsh, yet the case shows a problem.
  • Ukraine Crisis
    Russia says Ukraine ceasefire now would not achieve Moscow's goals
    — Kevin Liffey, Mark Trevelyan · Reuters · Mar 31, 2023
    In terms of Ukraine, nothing is changing, the special military operation is continuing because today that is the only means in front of us to achieve our goals.Peskov

    Apparently, Putin ditched the upper age limit for conscription. Maybe they're currently running low on cannon fodder.
  • The American Gun Control Debate
    I’m sure you’ve helped plenty of children get off the streetsNOS4A2

    Maybe they have, but you missed something. There are organizations helping, some of which are kept going by taxes. Specialists, because an individual can't be a specialist in all. Roads, infrastructures, hospitals, schools, organized health care, electricity, clean water, sewage systems, whatever, elected officials taking the job of organizing things (employees of everyone in a society), ... And shrinks helping survivors of school shootings, that would have been better off with fewer guns available to whoever.

    Florida bill to allow gun owners to carry without permit heads to Gov. DeSantis' desk
    — James Call · USA TODAY · Mar 31, 2023

    In a way, I'd rather see something like a new Moon race (perhaps even a Mars race, but not an arms race), better forward goals, and that can't be achieved by a couple of anti-cooperators. If you're one of those, then you have no chance of taking on, say, North Korea, or just Cosa Nostra's Chicago chapter.

    —unless it’s Hollywood.NOS4A2
  • Ukraine Crisis
    Textbook red herring example:

    Their democracy is nothing more than a pretty façade of a state structure designed to cover up how they ignore the rights of the common American.
    [...]
    Russia is a patient country and does not intimidate anyone with its military advantage. However, it has unique modern weapons that can destroy any enemy, including the United States, in case it is faced with an existential threat.
    Nikolai Patrushev on Mar 27, 2023

    And a blatant lie.
  • Help with moving past solipsism
    @Darkneos, is it not true that new things happen to you? Like just new situations, but also new ideas (that you *cough* get from others), or something new that you learn of or encounter. Say, of your memories, how much of the remembered is of your own (conscious or willed) making? I certainly find the world intruding, and in a way that I can't miss.
    Do you ever get something wrong? Well, how could it be wrong if it's your creation in the first place?
    You can't do just anything, right? I, for one, can't just leap from the front yard and fly to the Moon (like Superman); I'll just assume you can't either. Something else, the world, is imposing itself on you.
    If you're thoroughly applying skepticism, then you might also want to apply it to skepticism itself now and then.
    I suppose thinking it's all you, there aren't other minds, is presumptuous, maybe arrogant, surely rude. :)
  • Help with moving past solipsism
    , are you calling us mindless zombies? How rude. :)

    Ethics sidelines solipsism. Morals are incompatible with solipsism. Concern for others renders solipsism irrelevant.

    uncyclopedia
    wikipedia
    iep
    sep

    Anyway, it seems more like an emotional/psychological problem here, than philosophical?
  • The American Gun Control Debate
    Apparently, the gun crazies are also against bare gun registration.
    Normalizing this stuff is part of the problem.
    @NOS4A2, society isn't just about you though.
    Besides, your gun isn't going to help much if someone already has theirs pointed at you.
    De-escalation seems the safer (or more civilized) path; check evidence for different countries/societies.

    CAUGHT ON CAMERA: Nashville shooter blasts their way into school (Mar 28, 2023 · 2m:21s)
  • Is indirect realism self undermining?
    Brains...

    1. brains in bodies are observed :up: (born so, too)
    2. if brain in vat, then brain in vat is still imagined
    3. if brain in skull, then brain in vat is imaginary
    4. thus, brain in vat is imagined or imaginary
    5. yet, 1

    ;)
  • Ukraine Crisis
    Russians angry at downing of Ukrainian drone over their homes
    — Kevin Liffey · Reuters · Mar 27, 2023

    Would be ironic if the Gremlin is angry as well.


    Continuing earlier finger-pointing, it's become Haas' turn...

    American company accused of violating sanctions, doing business with Russian arms industry (original)
    — Simon Ostrovsky · PBS · Mar 14, 2023
    Ukranian Watchdog Accuses Haas of Breaking Sanctions to Sell Machines to Russian Arms Manufacturers (UPDATED) (includes Haas' response)
    — Mack Hogan · Road and Track · Mar 15, 2023

    The world is quite interconnected. Earlier, outsiders (including Haas) sought Russian connections/trade/partnerships.
  • Ukraine Crisis
    , right, because it's about me. :roll:

    So, the sham'ful annexations aren't imperialist because NATO is that dire existential threat to Russia. NATO is imperialist because other definitions. (Also, let's just forget to ask the Ukrainians (again (again)).)

    By the way, Mearsheimer and others have argued that Crimea was (is) part of Putin's geo-political-military goals, Gremlin's strategic objectives. (Don't forget "part of".) Of course NATO would get in the way of that. Scary. (Seems like certain posters require re-re-repeating prior comments.)

    On another note, Mearsheimer or Yudin? A bit of both?
    It’s not NATO — Putin always has had expansionist designs
    — Alexander J Motyl · The Hill · Mar 6, 2023
    Mar 6, 2023

    EDIT

    Suppose the Ukraine invasion is reducible to a West-versus-Russia power struggle like otherwise of the non-war sort. (With China leaning towards Russia, and Iran tagging along.) Either way — regardless thereof — the Ukrainians have chosen. ECFR (Mar 8, 2023); VOA (Mar 23, 2023) Subsequently the UN have spoken. The reduction seems misleading (or perhaps vacuous).

    Here's a way to "save lives". :)

    A president against a president and vice president against a vice president, and a duel takes place, if they are serious. And in this way we are saving the American and Iraqi people.Taha Yassin Ramadan (Iraqi vice president, 2002)
    CNN (Oct 3, 2002); BBC (Oct 3, 2002); NPR (Oct 4, 2002)

    Should a vote be put together for this "solution" here?
  • Is indirect realism self undermining?
    There's something off about the in/direct dichotomy.

    Does direct mean that the perceived becomes part of the perceiver? Maybe that the perception and the perceived are the same? Not really. (I think.) Maybe that there's no strange otherworldly theater at work?

    The perception is an (interruptible) occurrence, like a process, where perceiver perception perceived are parts of the same larger environment.

    Refraction is part of what the swimmer-in-the-water looks like, regardless that the swimmer's head isn't separate from the rest of their body.

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    Does this work then?

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    Looks indirect (I think), but at least interruptibility, same environment, and whatever, are clearer/intuitive. The perception is (ontologically) part of the perceiver when occurring. In the image, hallucination is mistaking "≠" for "=", and solipsism is mistaking "=" for non-identity "≠". Different wording, not the in/direct dichotomy.
  • Ukraine Crisis
    , what's the relevance? Different uses of the word? Like an etymological fallacy, an argument from semantics is kinda'ftarded here. Check Jan 14, 2023, Jan 31, 2023, Mar 6, 2023 (what came up at a glance, might dig more repeats out if time allows). Putin made a choice. Ukrainians have chosen.
  • Eternal Return
    Just a brief babble on the side if I may.

    If we were to say "time is circular", then what could that mean other than events reoccurring?

    Doesn't really seem to be meaningful otherwise, does it?

    This then means that there's something other than time (itself) — call them eventees (like objects or whatever) — that taken together arrive at a configuration identical to a prior configuration.

    Yet, the phrases "arrive at" and "prior" already presuppose temporality in some sense. (Don't really want to get into concise definitions/semantics/dictionaries.)

    Well, a more mathematical approach might have us employ an ordered set (with a metric), so we can speak of before (less than), simultaneously (the same), and after (greater than), which is relational. The metric gives us duration (distance), which is numeric/scalar.

    Anyway, the idea was just that something other than time is needed to give meaning to time (with our usual verbiage).

    (end babble)
  • Ukraine Crisis
    "Propagandists" ... ? :)

    Where Are Russian Critics of Putin Featured in “Putin and the Presidents” Now?
    — Julia Ingram · PBS · Jan 31, 2023

    Vladimir Kara-Murza is in prison is Russia (interview)
    Yevgenia Albats is now in the US (interview)
    Gennady Gudkov is in Bulgaria


    , Putin revels (decadently) in more than that. :)
  • Ukraine Crisis
    The Russians have stated from 2008 onward that they considered Ukraine joining NATO to be an existential threat.Tzeentch

    Do you think that's incompatible with imperialism?
    (not saying it is or isn't, just asking; existential threat or not is separate, by the way)
  • Ukraine Crisis
    NATO countries wanting access to Russia's borderboagie
    The point is simply one about the varied nature of modern imperialism. It's no longer just about hard power, you need to update your models of international power. Try reading anything written after 1989.Isaac

    Or countries on Russia's border wanting access to NATO? Right now in particular, apparently. NATO can't colonize (like land grab), it's a defense pact among member countries, not a country. Countries may or may not apply for NATO membership.

    As an aside, meanwhile in the evil imperialist West ...
    SISȻENEM will be the first land returned to a First Nation
    — Chadd Cawson · Penticton Herald · Mar 23, 2023

    But, hey, let's just cast the war against the Ukrainians as "the partyline versus the rebels", go by that so as to pick a side, and toss patronizing insults about, instead. :D

    , yeah, horrific. And an open-ended threat.

    [...] they could level Poland, Finland, Moldova, Belarus, Slovakia, or ..., just the same. Perhaps the UK, though the distance is greater (they have mentioned/joked so, too). This is an open-ended threat.Mar 21, 2023

    According to some, the Crimea grab was part of a geo-political-military plan (followed by the invasion) — power. (@Tzeentch mentioned something...)

    And Kim Jong-un is taking notes.Mar 23, 2023

    As mentioned before, their efforts are well underway creating a country of distrusting haters.

    Kremlin Says These Countries Can't Be Part of Ukraine Peace Talks
    — David Brennan · Newsweek · Mar 21, 2023

    Divide et impera. Old.
  • Ukraine Crisis
    (my underlining)

    The parties [Russia + China] note that in order to resolve the Ukrainian crisis, it is necessary to respect the legitimate concerns of all countries in the field of securityWhat Russia-Chinese joint statement says about Ukraine · Jonathan Oatis · Reuters · Mar 22, 2023

    Well, the Ukrainians are not merely concerned.

    Russia hits Ukraine with missiles, drones as 'dear friend' Xi departs
    — Dan Peleschuk, Sergiy Chalyi, Peter Graff, Frank Jack Daniel, Cynthia Osterman, Philippa Fletcher, Andrew Cawthorne, Grant McCool · Reuters · Mar 22, 2023

    Yet, they're reduced to an aside in the margin. Neither Russia nor China are being invaded and generously sprinkled with destruction. Moldova Poland Romania Hungary Slovakia might have some legitimate concerns too.

    The parties [Russia + China] stress that responsible dialogue is the best way for a sustainable resolution of the Ukrainian crisis, and the international community should support constructive efforts in this regardWhat Russia-Chinese joint statement says about Ukraine · Jonathan Oatis · Reuters · Mar 22, 2023

    Constructive is sometimes used as the opposite of destructive.

    Putin and Xi pose as peacemakers while Moscow’s war in Ukraine rages on
    — Rob Picheta, Simone McCarthy, Michael Conte, Kylie Atwood, Svitlana Vlasova, Anna Chernova, Duarte Mendonca, Xiaofei Xu, Wayne Chang · CNN · Mar 21, 2023
    Putin: China plan could end war, but Ukraine and West not ready for peace
    — James Gregory · BBC · Mar 22, 2023

    Creepy. One might hope that the Kremlin won't be writing the history books here. What Putin + team want others to hear (statements speeches whatever) has gone vacuous/incoherent. And Kim Jong-un is taking notes. Oh well.
  • Ukraine Crisis
    No path to peace: Five key takeaways from Xi and Putin’s talks in Moscow
    — Simone McCarthy, Nectar Gan, Wayne Chang, Matthew Chance, Darya Tarasova, Maria Kostenko, Xiaofei Xu, Anna Chernova · CNN · Mar 22, 2023
    On Tuesday, Zelensky said a ceasefire would “simply freeze” the conflict, giving Russia time to “prepare and come back again with their single wish, the wish of their leader - that is to occupy our country.”

    What Russia-Chinese joint statement says about Ukraine
    — Jonathan Oatis · Reuters · Mar 22, 2023
    The parties oppose all unilateral sanctions imposed in circumvention of the U.N. Security Council.

    Except, not the rest of what the UN says. (And Xi smiling when not seen, loving the sanctions on Russia, "Just a few more years and Russia is our's" (this part is a conspiracy theory )?)

    Too bad, not much new I guess, and the Ukrainians once again a (dehumanized) scorched footnote somewhere.

    FYI, an essay of a traveler sub-titled "Almost unnoticed, a generation of Russians has come of age during his 23 years in power":

    Putin’s War on Young People
    Lucian Kim · Foreign Policy · Mar 19, 2023

    Nobody can say what will come after Putin. Much depends on how he loses power—whether his departure comes as a natural death, a chaotic collapse, or a palace coup behind the Kremlin walls. It is possible, even probable, that another aging former KGB officer will take over at first. But sooner or later, there will be a change of generations. — Lucian Kim

    (Or Putin burns his hands as a result of the destructive multi-pronged efforts, while China cashes in (this part is a conspiracy theory )?)

    Generations of Russians are what Kim visited in his travels.

    :D
  • Ukraine Crisis
    They're "profiteering" of the sanctions, ironically. So there's not much of a mystery.Tzeentch

    The longer the war, the longer sanctions?

    Not much of an implication. :D

    By the way, normalizing conspiracy theories would be wretched, I'm certainly not proposing any, just looking at the landscape of existing conspiracy(-like) theories here. Not much "symmetry" for lack of a better word, hence en vogue...? Origins...?
  • Ukraine Crisis
    Some profiteering due to the war (brief summary, can't be bothered with graphs):

    China ↔ Russia: bilateral trade 2022 ↑ 34.3%, $190 billion
    China → Russia: export → import 2022 ↑ 17.5%
    Russia → China: export → import cheap oil

    Russia ↔ India: bilateral trade 2021 $13.5 billion, 2022 $30 billion
    Russia → India: export → import cheap oil Dec 2022 1.6 million barrels / day
    Russia → India: export → import cheap fertilizer

    Russia → Turkey: export → import 2021 $29 billion, 2022 $58.85 billion
    Russia → Turkey: rich people relocate

    United Arab Emirates: residential property 2021 → 2022 ↑ 80%, 2022 $56 billion
    Russia → United Arab Emirates: rich people relocate

    Saudi Arabia: economy 2021 → 2022 ↑ 8.7%, 2023 $4.3 billion surplus

    Qatar: 2022 $8.19 billion surplus

    Kuwait: economy 2022 ↑ 8%

    Norway: export commodities 2022 ↑ 200%, $89.3 billion

    Australia: export coal 2021 → 2022 ↑ 186%, $45 billion surplus
    Australia: export natural gas 2021 → 2022, $40 billion surplus

    Uzbekistan → Russia: export → import 2022 ↑ 23%, $14.5 billion
    Russia → Uzbekistan: rich people relocate

    Georgia: economy 2022 ↑ 10%
    Russia → Georgia: rich people relocate

    Kazakhstan, Armenia, Algeria, Indonesia somewhat similarly

    Haven't seen much (by way of conspiracy theories) pointing at this stuff, well, except for Norway perhaps sort of (Mar 17, 2022, Feb 16, 2023). Not en vogue?
  • Ukraine Crisis
    The story of a defector to Russia, John McIntyre, told by various sources (including McIntyre), some anecdotal, some corroborated ...

    Feb 28, 2023 · via Russia Today · Murad Gazdiev
    Mar 01, 2023 · via Newsweek · Ellie Cook
    Mar 02, 2023 · via Task and Purpose · Jeff Schogol · has 17m:18s AV
    Mar 18, 2023 · via Business Insider · Alia Shoaib, Bethany Dawson · has 17m:18s AV

    There are more defectors from Russia than to Russia, making this one kind of unique.
    His former teams mates / colleagues didn't exactly have flattering words for him, but this, in turn, brings the protocols of the International Legion into question.
    I guess communism remains associated with Russia, though the political system isn't — a bit odd.
  • Ukraine Crisis
    Uh-oh, here we go again ...

    UK accuses Russia of disinformation over depleted uranium
    — Jessie Gretener, Darya Tarasova, Jack Guy · CNN · Mar 21, 2023

    Today it became known that Great Britain, through the mouth of the deputy head of the Ministry of Defense of this country, announced not only the supply of tanks to Ukraine, but also shells with combined uranium. I would like to note that if all this happens, Russia will have to react accordingly. I mean that the collective West is already starting to use weapons with a nuclear component.Putin

    considerably less radioactive than natural uraniumInternational Atomic Energy Agency

    [...] the British Army has used depleted uranium in its armour piercing shells for decades. It is a standard component and has nothing to do with nuclear weapons or capabilities. Russia knows this, but is deliberately trying to disinform. Independent research by scientists from groups such as the Royal Society has assessed that any impact to personal health and the environment from the use of depleted uranium munitions is likely to be low.Ministry of Defence (United Kingdom)

    By the way, I'm not sure the phrase "personal health" is appropriate here. :)