Uhm... @Isaac, going by comments, I honestly wouldn't want you as a pandemic manager, but I might want you on a team going after unethical business activities. Maybe you don't see a difference. :mask: ^{(BBB came to mind peripherally while typing, except I don't think they take anyone to court.)}

If Christians believe that the Biblical Yahweh/Jesus has set out what they should think and do or what's in/correct, then interpretation becomes a risky game, doesn't it, whatever their personal preferences are irrelevant?

Yes, we do. We also have a malaria crisis to deal with, an obesity crisis, an opioid crisis, an AIDS crisis, a poverty crisis, a TB crisis, a diarrhoea crisis, a child labour crisis... — Isaac

Goodie, let's keep up our pandemic stomping efforts. :up: Containing, tracking, learning, ...



^{Dec 01, 2021 WHO recommends malaria vaccine for children - malaria
Dec 02, 2021 First Malaria Vaccine a Major Milestone Despite Hurdles Ahead - malaria
Dec 06, 2021 More malaria cases and deaths in 2020 linked to COVID-19 disruptions
Dec 10, 2021 Communication between immune cells shows potential for cancer vaccine - cancer
Dec 10, 2021 Scientists developed Promising and safe mRNA HIV vaccine :up: AIDS
Dec 18, 2021 I want to build muscle and lose belly fat. A nutritionist said to eat more protein and snacks. - obesity
Dec 19, 2021 Outgoing NIH director implores Fox News viewers to stay focused on the real 'enemy' :up: good advice
Dec 20, 2021 FDA approves first injectable PrEP medication to lower HIV risk - AIDS
Dec 20, 2021 BioNTech's mRNA Cancer Vaccine Has Started Phase 2 Clinical Trial :up: cancer
Dec 20, 2021 34 healthcare and biotech startups that are set to take off in 2022, according to top investors :eyes: watch?
Dec 21, 2021 FDA approves first injectable HIV prevention drug - AIDS
Dec 21, 2021 Criminals have stolen nearly $100 billion in Covid relief funds, Secret Service says :angry:
Dec 22, 2021 Covid Deaths Exceed Annual Death Toll of HIV, TB and Malaria}

I think this image is accurate enough for lay-persons:



Please let me know if you spot anything.

, everybody knows about the contemptible scandals, and that they ought to be dealt with.
Meanwhile we have a pandemic to deal with, which is kind of important enough.
Even if those companies (and facemask, hand sanitizer, horse dewormer companies) had conspired to create and deliver the virus worldwide (which they didn't), we'd still have to deal with the darn thing. :meh:
I'll venture a guess... If you put together a new opening post making a case for dealing with those scandals/companies, then it'll likely be fairly quiet, because most already agree. How to deal with them (not if) would more be up for debate.

We could speak of an experience and of the experienced.
Sometimes they're the same, other times not.
When they're not, we tend to say the experienced is objective.
Experiences themselves are usually said to be subjective, and in a format we call qualia or whatever.

If I'm talking about my like of coffee, or an annoying headache, then the experience and the experienced are the same.
If I talk about the coffee, or the bump on my head, then they're not the same.

Then there are the errors...
A hallucination or phantom pain is when thinking the experience and the experienced aren't the same, but they are.
Idealism is thinking they're always the same, but sometimes they're not; talk about self-elevation/universalization.

And the occasional category mistakes...
Experiences are occurrences, more clearly temporal, are interruptible (interaction/event-causation), come and go, i.e. process-likes.
The experienced are often more clearly movable, locatable, breakable (under conservation), i.e. object-likes.
So, when we perceive things, process-likes are involved, interaction, causation, or something; it's not like we become the experienced, or have to.

At a glance, I don't see anything plain wrong with that account, but I do see some things going awry when ignoring parts of it.

I was pitching for up-against-the-wall-come-the-revolution, but yeah...nationalise sounds more pragmatic! — Isaac

That could work, though I don't know about large international companies.
(Now wait for someone to yell "Communism!", "Theft!" :grin:)
Jail time for employees that can be held accountable, board members, ...
Being health-related means serious enough, laissez-faire capitalism won't do.

Anyway, a bit peripheral here, might warrant a new opening post, though I'd expect most to be disgusted about the scandals.

^{Some high profile scandals, might have been posted before ...
• Bristol-Myers Squibb to Pay More Than $515 Million to Resolve Allegations of Illegal Drug Marketing and Pricing (Sep 28, 2007)
• Merck to Pay More than $650 Million to Resolve Claims of Fraudulent Price Reporting and Kickbacks (Feb 7, 2008)
• The Case Against Pfizer (Sep 2, 2009)
• Pharmaceutical Giant AstraZeneca to Pay $520 Million for Off-label Drug Marketing (Apr 27, 2010)
• GlaxoSmithKline whistleblower awarded $96m payout (Oct 27, 2010)
• GlaxoSmithKline to Plead Guilty and Pay $3 Billion to Resolve Fraud Allegations and Failure to Report Safety Data (Jul 2, 2012)
• Johnson & Johnson to Pay More Than $2.2 Billion to Resolve Criminal and Civil Investigations (Nov 4, 2013)
• Lessons from GlaxoSmithKline’s record $492 million bribery fine in China (Sep 23, 2014)}

At this forum, not once have I seen that a pro-vaccer said that people should get vaccinated for their own sake.
Not once has anyone who has told me to get vaccinated said that I should do it to protect my health.
Not once. Not a single time. — baker

?

You yourself quoted

The vaccine significantly reduces the odds that you will catch it - and if you do catch it the vaccine significantly reduces the odds that you will have a serious case. — EricH

And that's definitely not the only time that's been posted.
Apparently, one of those things that don't sink in with some people.

You could at least try to keep it coherent.

You're forcing us into mediocrity, into thinking like gamblers, mobsters, and drug dealers. Into narrow-mindedness and hard-heartedness. Into moral depravity. — baker

?

800th time, a vaccine doesn't have to be perfect to be relevant. — Cheshire

:up:

A good 250 pages in, I wonder how many times repetitions have been posted.

None of it stops the spread of coronavirus. — NOS4A2

Do you think there is some magical spell that stops the virus?
It's about stemming the tide, containing, tracking, learning.

Some of your comments can't be differentiated from paranoia.

How long were they expected to be interned (and for what intent)? — again again again

Your line of thinking exits before getting to duration and intent (asked more than once).

Anyway, I, for one, would like to stomp the virus (unlike @Book273 apparently), and move on.
Maybe this is a good time to separate doers and deniers?

FYI, Chris (Simpsons artist) has advice

• how to wear your mask

• coronavirus - how to wash your hands

Maybe you missed it, , the same bullshit is definitely still present 90 years on.
Right, yeah, the inequalities are problematic and ought be addressed.
But do go on about your blanket "Big Pharma" hatred. :) (don't think anyone are cheering them on for the scandals)

Nah , not the same, but the bullshit is.

What fear and panic is that?
Elsewhere I once asked a denier what they'd expect in case of an outbreak.
Their response was looting, riots, chaos, violence, ...
According to them, that's they'd picked up, read, been told, figured, ...
Someone had lost contact with the ground.
There's no particular panic, and the only supposed "fear-mongering" has come from some folk rehashing worst-case scenarios.
If someone is afraid out there, then that's understandable enough, and that's where that ends.
In the two places I call home (different continents), people just follow protocols and go on about their day. :shrug:

Different day in 1930, same bullshit 90 years later:

Everyone's screwed.
Those who don't learn from history, repeating the mistakes.
And those who watch them. — paraphrasing George Santayana and David Linwood

, what the story doesn't report, is whether the kids and their peers were properly informed.
Snatched off the street at gunpoint (like your comments may suggest)?
Treated well enough and kept in the loop?
Since it's Australia, I'm guessing a reasonably civilized/humane approach, but maybe not?

They tested negative. They contained exactly zero SARS-CoV-2. — NOS4A2

... What do you think they were trying to ascertain?
Thus, they were off to the quarantine centre, like others, per their protocols.
I guess the Aussies put a thorough+swift protocol in place for pandemic containment/tracking, which seems sensible enough.
Did you think it was just fun and games (or "Obergruppenführer Michael Gunner" executing nefarious endlösungs)?

How long were they expected to be interned (and for what intent)? — again again

... but didn't get to SARS-CoV-2 containment (and tracking of proliferation vectors)? :brow:

How long were they expected to be interned (and for what intent)? — again

Denying fundamental rights on a hunch is ludicrous. — NOS4A2

It's not a hunch. — Benkei

Were they interned in order to send them to the gas chamber?
How long were they expected to be interned (and for what intent)? — jorndoe

:grin:

Italian man tries to dodge Covid vaccine wearing fake arm (Dec 3, 2021)

A new market for silicone prosthetics?
"Want to hit the bar scene unvaccinated? We can help."

:up:

The arrival of coronavirus just ahead of the presidential election of 2020 seemed like "the most fortuitous pandemic in the history of the world" for the Democratic Party, recalls Mark [Valentine]. — Pro-Trump counties now have far higher COVID death rates. Misinformation is to blame (Dec 5, 2021)

I guess there's no accounting for adults that haven't grown up.
Fortunately others do.

Phil Valentine’s family urges listeners to get the shot — Tennessee radio host doubted and mocked vaccines – now he has Covid (Jul 24, 2021)

:roll:

Three teenagers from the indigenous Binjari community recently escaped from one of Australia’s internment facilities — NOS4A2

The facility seems a frightening place — NOS4A2

Obergruppenführer Michael Gunner — NOS4A2

Were they interned in order to send them to the gas chamber?
How long were they expected to be interned (and for what intent)?

Denying fundamental rights on a hunch is ludicrous. — NOS4A2

It's not a hunch. — Benkei

@NOS4A2, your skewed verbiage betrays an ideological ulterior motive.
SARS-CoV-2 doesn't care.

A state monopoly on magick enforced by clairvoyant tactical police units. — jamalrob

Some are ahead of you:

Saudi Arabia's War on Witchcraft (Aug 19, 2013)
Saudi religious cops trained to fight magic (Feb 2, 2016)

Supernatural magic(k) is fiction, imaginary, found in fantasy stories and tall tales (and here sort of).
Those Saudi Arabian accused are therefore innocent of those charges.
So trivial it is to imagine a glass of wine materializing in my hand out of the blue, though.

, OK, so "child rapist" was just your slant on it, not related to Rittenhouse's goings-and-doings. (Perhaps even to justify the kill (like a "good riddance" type thing)?)

Old school shootouts are in order. — Hanover

Hey, old-old-school fisticuffs are safer for others. :strong: ;)

I have a shelf of battle-ready swords sitting right over there. :point:
Were I to wield one out on the town, I might just get picked up by the cops.
Maybe not in Wisconsin?

The child rapist who first attacked Rittenhouse assumed, wrongly, that Rittenhouse wouldn’t defend himself. — NOS4A2

Did Rittenhouse know him?

Do we want kids seeking out such situations, armed with semi-automatics? :down:
We have an example here.
What's gone awry, and what to do about it?

, try yelling " :fire: " there. :D

Is this serious or meant to provoke? — Cartuna

Call it satire. Or something.

, does this direct link work? Or this? It display normally here.

In such scenarios, I might want something heavier.
Especially for defending my home, but also a deterrent in general.
Don't think 20mm will do. Grenades, too, definitely.
Yes yes, that's escalation, but I have a god-given right to defend myself. Against all of them.
Do you know how many heavily armed gangs are out there? And dangerous lunatics?
And, for proven deterrent, I'd want setups with mutually assured destruction.
That's safety. Then there will be peace. One way or other.

, I think placebos typically are part of trials.
Don't think they capture "their psychological state and philosophical outlook" though.
Both Robert David Steele (denier, QAnon'er) and Irfan Halim (active medical doctor), for example, died due to the virus.

, just noticed you tagged me, but never got a notice. Maybe a forum bug. Well, hopefully Ο just goes away quickly, maybe giving someone a mild flu. :) Getting SARS-CoV-2 stomped down would be great.

The Telegraph may not be perfect, but I doubt that Nature is much better. — Apollodorus

You should put that in your profile.

3. Did R go well out of his way to unjustifiably put himself in harm's way?

Yes. — 180 Proof

This is what I would call an unclear statement without any attempt to mark out what is meant by ‘unjustifiably put himself in harm’s way’. Where is the line between justified and unjustified? To say he went ‘well out of his way’ is unclear. — I like sushi

Yeah, it was clear enough. Messed up kid in messed up society. (Didn't some cops also tell him to go home?)
Then again, doing hard time doesn't seem quite right either. Maybe that's one reason self-defense won, don't know.
A hero (of all things) he ain't. Someone needs to grow up.

Strictly speaking, the proper expression for existential quantification in mathematics is:

p = ∃x∈S φx

So, x is bound to set S.

(G) Gollum is more famous than Gödel. — Free Logic » 5.4 Logics of Fiction

Neat example. The statement is perfectly parsable and easy enough to understand, but not quite logical. I guess Anselmian ontology relies on such logic, just optimize/maximize x by a well-chosen φ, and even fictions come to life, "therefore Gollum exists".

A quick read

The universe may have answered The Last Question (Nov 13, 2021) by Tim Andersen

, thanks.

Yet another thing to read (Vacuum energy and cosmological evolution).

FYI, this stuff came up some time ago while discussing "symmetries" like this:



Things shrinking versus space expanding.
I haven't done the mathematics or other analysis.

EDIT ... :-/ the to-read list just keeps on growing ...

^{• Eternal inflation and its implications (2007)
• Our Universe May Exist in a Multiverse, Cosmic Inflation Discovery Suggests (2014)
• Before the Big Bang 5: The No Boundary Proposal (2017, 50m:47s)
• A smooth exit from eternal inflation? (2018)}

, , thanks lots.

Found something over here:

Dark energy might be neither particle nor field (Ethan Siegel; Big Think; Sep 22, 2021)



I guess relativistic spacetime geometry and quantum field theory has no good unification (at the moment at least), but that'd be needed to say much when experimental confirmation/falsification is unavailable.

Let it run. — Book273

Let SARS-CoV-2 replicate propagate mutate unchecked with no containment efforts, leaving whatever in its wake?

[...] I got the injection. It won't do shit anyway, but I get to keep working. Only now I have less respect for my employer, and I would love to park my truck on the CEO's face. — Book273

:D So you got the jab and are still around to whine about it huh huh...

Did you grow an extra arm yet? (pix or dint happen)

manifestly untrue — NOS4A2

Manifestly sweeping statement ignores context.

Say, once the virus has already spread wide, containment has already taken a turn for the worse.
Unfortunately, spread is often learned post-factum.

Say, the wider spread, the more likelihood of mutations.
Hopefully less transmissible/dangerous mutations, but it's kind of hard to say in advance (post-factum again).

Containment can be involved, and it's a team effort.
Presumably we agree on limiting the virus replicating, propagating, mutating?

, or any of the physics folks, a quick question ...

The expansion of the universe roughly means that mass or matter density decreases over time, matter dilutes, spreads, thins out spatially, apart from what gravity holds together. With entropy, the density tends to "even out".

Yet, despite the spatial expansion, the quantum energy density remains constant, or the average micro-chaos, in lack of a better term, per spatial unit does not change.

So, matter dilutes, energy of space itself does not. It's like space isn't "stretching", but rather ehh "growing", in lack of better verbiage.

(The micro-chaos largely "cancels out", so that we don't see a photon flying off in one direction, and an anti-photon flying off in another, at least not normally, but, also, the background quantum-scale energy isn't exactly zero.)

That's from memory (i.e. not reliable). Anyway, if I'm remembering right, then I think there might be some implications to how we think of these things, including conservation.

Living gives value, flourishing, exploring, participating, ...

The word "being" is used in ever so many ways.
I guess it's up to linguists and philosophers to clarify them.
One way is to differentiate fictional/imaginary and real, where "exists" sometimes is used instead of "real", though fictions exist too, they're just not real.
We might speak of ontological categories, like substance, event, property, relation, ...

In a general sense, being can have no complement.
Which is also why you can't really miss it.

And how do we explain the Olber's paradox if it really is infinite? — Echoes

Doesn't Olbers' paradox just apply to a "static universe"?
An infinite universe could still expand, so there'd be no such paradox.
I think the steady-state universe is one such model.