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Donald Trump (All General Trump Conversations Here)Simon & Garfunkel's famous song "Confounds the Science" (3m:8s) :)
https://www.facebook.com/watch?v=996659732502260
https://www.instagram.com/jonathanblankfilms/reel/DA6N-T1o8L4/
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Ukraine CrisisIs it worth noting that no one has threatened North Korea, Iran, China with nuclear strikes or other attacks due to supplying Russia?
Doing so at present seems about as odd (or irresponsible perhaps) as Russia dishing out threats to Ukraine's supporters.
Periodically up'ing one's own stakes — or appearance of stakes — seems like a transparent strategy.
If the Kremlin is willing to start a nuclear war over a quarter of Ukraine, then we (the world, including Russians) already have a serious problem on our hands.
Then again, maybe things will change in one way or another.
Just about all nuclear posturing lately has come out of the Kremlin circle and North Korea. (2023Oct20, 2024Feb7) — Feb 29, 2024
Well, I guess ...
there's the North Korean wildcard. — Jul 15, 2024 -
CoronavirusThe 1665/6 history of Eyam (Derbyshire Dales, UK) is kind of inspiring.
Their actions during the Plague likely saved a large number of lives.
Eyam » 1665 plague outbreak
Eyam Village in the Peak District » Plague
Idiotic mask-refusers of today could learn a thing or two, but they likely won't. -
US Election 2024 (All general discussion)Hmm...
I was supposed to feel outraged when Trump said “grab them by the pussy” decades ago. — NOS4A2Gotta' wonder what happened in the 12 years after. Anything serious? — Oct 2, 2024 -
Ukraine CrisisYou keep saying that the west is content to see Ukraine lose. And although you keep stretching the evidence far beyond what it actually supports, there is an element of truth in this. The west faces no existential risk over the outcome of the Ukraine war and so it's determination to support Ukraine remains limited. — Echarmion
Right.
Yet, the Kremlin circle getting their way like so strengthens their ways for Putin's regressive Russia, strengthens their (aggressive) power, impunity, propaganda/rhetoric. Heck, Putin might be revered as a hero by some, perhaps enough to make a difference.
He was right! — some might then proclaim
Others are taking notes. It would be a victory of sorts for posturing, opacity, suppression, regression, anti-democracy, kratocracy, authoritarianism, and proliferation thereof.
Ukraine's supporters might as well be deemed impotent (or cowards). After all, combined, Ukraine's supporters have markedly more resources than Putin's Russia.
He stood up to them all and showed them!
Democracy, freedom, human rights, respect for law, whatever, would take some further hits, as would Ukraine's efforts.
It's the choice of a down-slope that our children's children would have to deal with; we already have historical parallels to learn from. (Not much new here; unlike @boethius, I wouldn't say that "the West" doesn't care.) -
US Election 2024 (All general discussion)
Stop your grinnin' and drop your linen!
By rumors on the street, guy slaps girlfriend in public (she slaps too, they say).
12 years later, it hits the news like a supposed :fire: bomb. :D
Might'a taken some efforts to dig that one up.
Gotta' wonder what happened in the 12 years after. Anything serious? -
Is evil something God dislikes?go down a road whereby suffering for humans is warranted. This is deemed as good — schopenhauer1
Right, the unknown greater good defense.
Suppose that the unknown greater good was the reason that Anya Martinez died from cancer at the age of 10 in 2018, after years of suffering.
A question is then what business people have interfering. Such an appeal to the unknown can equally mean that the efforts of doctors and medical researchers are wrong, the will of men against said greater good.
It's not entirely inconceivable... Jehovah's Witnesses and blood transfusions, Deuteronomy 1:31-36, Proverbs 3:5-6, Luke 8:50, Titus 3:6-8, ...
In 2013, Alex Radita died at the age of 15 due to complications from diabetes, weighing about 17kg. His parents intentionally left it to God; they were charged with severe neglect.
Can we say they were wrong? Well, some can and some can't.
By the assumption — an unknown greater good created/known by such a deity — Martinez' and Radita's predicaments were good. The assumption can mean that non-interference is good just the same. -
Site Rules Amendment Regarding ChatGPT and SourcingYou attribute intent to LLMs. — Banno
It's common to use words like "understands" about trained LLMs, too.
I can understand why that's used, but maybe better words are needed.
"Can-process-but-not-really-understand"?
"Appears-to-understand-but-doesn't-grasp"? -
Site Rules Amendment Regarding ChatGPT and SourcingI've come across groups where it has become almost like a sport to use generative AI tools to disprove biological evolution.
They tend to present the generated text in the style of scientific papers, except published on their own sites.
Some were caught having unrelated and fictional authors generated by the tool. :D
Didn't deter them though.
Not the kind of thing I would want here on the forums. -
Ukraine CrisisAFFIDAVIT IN SUPPORT OF SEIZURE WARRANT (case 24-mj-1395)
— U.S. Department of Justice · Sep 4, 2024
U.S. Seizes 32 Pro-Russian Propaganda Domains in Major Disinformation Crackdown
— Ravie Lakshmanan · The Hacker News · Sep 5, 2024
The Lies Russia Tells Itself
— Thomas Rid · Foreign Affairs · Sep 30, 2024
Living behind the new curtain is subject to heavier measures.
Арендатор шахт ЛНР начнет экспорт угля через Мариуполь (en)
— RBC · Sep 30, 2024
Land — wheat homes¹²³ art coal — grab.
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Is evil something God dislikes?However, one would be unable to hate in the presence of love. Holes, shadows, illnesses. I find it a compelling metaphor, at the very least. — Wayfarer
Maybe. Where it goes askew, though, is when casting it all in terms of good alone. (Or hate alone.)
[...] God is expected to be something like a perfect hotel manager [...] — Wayfarer
Isn't the sum of good bad neutral prosperity hardship humdrum indifference ... and everything in between, what you might expect without an omni* overseer? -
Is evil something God dislikes?[...] Augustine's 'evil as a privation of the good'. To put it another way, evil has the kind of existence that holes, fractures, shadows and illness has. — Wayfarer
I find it artificial, though it is kind of...neat.
Absence of love isn't hate, absence of hate isn't love. -
Climate change denialBritain’s last coal-fired electricity plant is closing. It ends 142 years of coal power in the UK
— Jill Lawless · AP · Sep 30, 2024
UK to shut last coal-fired power plant | WION Climate Tracker
— WION · Sep 19, 2024 · 3m:56s
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57 Symptoms in Need of a CureWell, there may not be a cure for homo sapiens, for the likes of Geoengineering Watch (they have flyers in multiple languages too). :)
Smug, arrogant crap. Makes me want to vote for Trump just to piss you off. — T Clark
Hey don't be like that. Makes me want to piss you off as well. ;) Anyway, what about the truth of the matter? Isn't that more important than pissing each other off? -
Ukraine CrisisPower, legacy, influence? Maybe.
Russia-Ukraine War: Putin's Quest To Revive USSR? The Real Story Behind Russia's Expansion
— Jessica Goel, Akash Verma, Abhishek Vadav · India Today · Sep 27, 2024 · 3m:52s
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Was intelligence in the universe pre-existing?, I suggest using different words since "God" is taken. Or the Platonia-type thing could be dropped.
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Was intelligence in the universe pre-existing?, mindless intelligence-free doesn't go well with the common use of the word "God". :shrug:
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Was intelligence in the universe pre-existing?, with no minds "outside of time", can we speak of intelligence "outside of time"?
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Why should we worry about misinformation?
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Why should we worry about misinformation?The truth does not require your participation in order to exist. Bullshit does! — Terence McKenna
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Why should we worry about misinformation?, what's taken to be true is important in decision-making. Pollution doesn't help.
Think you can get on without? Can deduce it all from something else? Exclusively trust yourself? — Sep 22, 2024
So we worry about the believers in misinformation. — NOS4A2
I'd say worry about both, dis/mal/misinformation being wrong in the first place.
"Ye shan't believe dis/mal/misinformation" won't work, whether edged into lawbooks or not. :D
Sure, you might argue whichever way I suppose. Extremes for the occasion: people should be entirely free to spread dis/mal/misinformation; people spreading dis/mal/misinformation should be guillotined.
we strike a balance of sorts between freedom and disincentive — Sep 22, 2024 -
Was intelligence in the universe pre-existing?, you skirted the characterizations (older + above), but, no matter, by acknowledging that mind is temporal we're on the same page.
"eternal" in classical theism means "outside of time" — Metaphysician Undercover
Returning to intelligently intelligent intelligence intelligencing ...
Where does intelligence fit in? — Sep 22, 2024 -
Why should we worry about misinformation?If I read the phrase “the earth is flat” one-hundred times, and after I’m done tell you the earth is in fact not flat, will that suffice as a demonstration? — NOS4A2
That's just a counter-example to a universal statement like "all speech acts are taken to be true by everyone".
Similarly, "no utterings are taken seriously by anyone" is also false.
Rather, as has been argued a few times, some talk is believed by some. It's common, daily.
I'd take it to be true if you claimed to be a globe-Earth'er (though your personal belief isn't all that consequential in this context). -
Why should we worry about misinformation?Claiming to not care about dis/mal/mis/information is kind of silly.
Think you can get on without? Can deduce it all from something else? Exclusively trust yourself?
There are whatever varieties and degrees; we might assess some by intent and consequences when taken seriously.
So, we strike a balance of sorts between freedom and disincentive. -
Was intelligence in the universe pre-existing?, I'm thinking no — as the common abstract or grammar rule, though not in intuitionism. Then again, is there any excluded middle in absence of any talk to apply it to? (Identity, instead, is presupposed by meaning; maybe identity is where ontology and logic meet.)
, the point was that mind is temporal/process-like, come and go, occurs, is interruptible, has a more clear temporal demarcation than spatial, ... Where does intelligence fit in? -
Was intelligence in the universe pre-existing?, to give an account of time you have to account for when (simultaneity) and how long (duration) alike: Nov 11, 2022 (way old comment)
• Say, my supper is spatial/object-like, locatable, movable, breakable, my experiences thereof occur, are interruptible ⁽¹⁾⁽²⁾, temporal/process-like. Say, stomachs are spatial/object-like, left to right, front to back, and digestion (say, starting with chewing and salivating) occurs, comes and goes, temporal/process-like.
• Rocks and bodies are spatial/object-like: left to right, top to bottom, front to back, movable, locatable, breakable (under conservation ⁽³⁾), ... Eddies/currents and minds/experiences are temporal/process-like: come and go, occur, interruptible ⁽⁴⁾⁽⁵⁾ (interaction/event-causation), ...
Mind isn't in atemporal's vocabulary. If you're talking atemporal, then you're not talking sentience; if you're talking sentience, then you're not talking atemporal. Isn't intelligence something that mind can do (or possess, be capable of)? -
Why should we worry about misinformation?Shouting fire in a crowded theater (falsely)
Some typical responses at the edges:
If people panic and some are trampled to death, then the tramplers are at fault, not the inciter.
If the inciter aimed to cause panic, then they're at fault, possibly a sociopath.
You could argue either, right?
Presumably, legislation would follow ethics.
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US Election 2024 (All general discussion)Right-wing influencers were duped to work for covert Russian operation, US says
— Alan Suderman, Ali Swenson, Garance Burke, Rhonda Shafner · AP · Sep 5, 2024
Russia focusing on American social media stars to covertly influence votersHow much influence do such campaigns have anyway? — Sep 8, 2024
— Christopher Bing, Katie Paul, Raphael Satter · Reuters · Sep 9, 2024
Blinken accuses RT of being worldwide Kremlin intelligence network
— Andrew Roth · Guardian · Sep 13, 2024
McClown's lying has caught on — Sep 17, 2024
Altogether, some US commentators/voters are adding their efforts to efforts beyond their neighborhood against themselves, it works to some measurable extent. The resourcefulness and organization of the Kremlin's machinery remains impressive in this respect. The possibility of such influences is inherent in relatively open/free societies, while others just thoroughly outlaw them. -
Donald Trump (All General Trump Conversations Here), looks like a red scare move/redux by lying.
Actually, just seen elsewhere, I quote (verbatim):
Harris is the child of a Marxist. Have checked out her dad’s book? She is a Marxist. — Sep 16, 2024
So, McClown's lying has caught on. -
Donald Trump (All General Trump Conversations Here)McClown is calling Harris "Marxist" "Communist" whatever, which is just more lying, but I'm sure it'll catch on somewhere.
As far as I can tell, Swift has supported worthwhile projects and given/donated substantially more to charities/goodwill than McClown; happy to be proven wrong.
I sure hope McClown's supporters are upfront with the kids of the US about who they're supporting, especially the Evangelicals and conservative Christians. -
What jazz, classical, or folk music are you listening to?Norwegian morning music while enjoying the quietude of dawn (coffee recommended)
Peer Gynt by Grieg
The whole thing is a bit longer than the morning music -
US Election 2024 (All general discussion)Former CBC host Carol Off wants to take the word 'freedom' back from the far right (— Sheena Goodyear, Kate Swoger · CBC · Sep 3, 2024)
Why do they lie? (— Carol Off · Human Rights Hub @ Instagram · Sep 13, 2024)
We've probably all heard it, "But they all lie", hence the worst can keep getting away with it.
Random paraphrases of the day...
To a hammer everything is a nail.
To a radical much else is a radical problem.
Choosing the right battles matter. -
Chinese Cars:up:
The unknown Tank Man and Tiananmen 1989 are a few decades behind us now; the Chinese regime isn't though. -
Chinese Cars, it goes further than so. There are matters like the Uyghurs. By putting state resources behind ordinary capitalist competition they can override/subvert typical market rules (e.g. Huawei). China is lacking democratic (transparency/rights/freedom) standards. There's a case to be made.
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Israel killing civilians in Gaza and the West Banka war crime apologist — Benkei
@BitconnectCarlos will just call you names as well, and so it goes ... (repeat ↵). And that's part of the problem. Old. :shrug: -
Ukraine CrisisSo why the hell did Russia invade? — Echarmion
Started with an uncompromising decision in the Kremlin circle some time ago.
Probably not an overnight thing, but ended up an easy enough sell (among some folks).
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US Election 2024 (All general discussion)Conspiracy theorists claim that "They" are looking for destruction, referencing:
The strategy aims to utilize "militant anti poverty groups" to facilitate a "political crisis" by overloading the welfare system via an increase in welfare claims, forcing the creation of a system of guaranteed minimum income and "redistributing income through the federal government". — Cloward–Piven strategy · Wikipedia
But while the image of the libertarian potential of advanced industrial society is repressed (and hated) by the managers of repression and their consumers, it motivates the radical opposition and gives it its strange unorthodox character. Very different from the revolution at previous stages of history, this opposition is directed against the totality of a well-functioning, prosperous society – a protest against its Form – the commodity form of men and things, against the imposition of false values and a false morality. This new consciousness and the instinctual rebellion isolate such opposition from the masses and from the majority of organized labor, the integrated majority, and make for the concentration of radical politics in active minorities, mainly among the young middle-class intelligentsia, and among the ghetto populations. Here, prior to all political strategy and organization, liberation becomes a vital, “biological” need. — An Essay on Liberation · Herbert Marcuse · 1969 -
Israel killing civilians in Gaza and the West Bank, what is it you have in mind for Israel?
(I get the impression you have something broader in mind, perhaps beyond Israel.)
jorndoe
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