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  • Donald Trump (All General Trump Conversations Here)
    ↪praxis


    Sorry, which part wasn’t true?
  • Donald Trump (All General Trump Conversations Here)
    ↪creativesoul


    Clinton destroyed evidence with hammers. Biden kept classified docs in his garage. Neither of them had the unilateral declassification powers that a president had. No indictments for them; nothing.

    Meanwhile Assange is rotting in prison. Snowden is in hiding. Trump is getting the full force of the US government on his back.
  • Donald Trump (All General Trump Conversations Here)
    ↪creativesoul


    Old news parrot... nothing found criminal... waste of taxpayer dollars... example of using the government to punish one's political rivals.

    Old news that you believed and helped spread, despite its falsity. The irony.
  • Donald Trump (All General Trump Conversations Here)
    ↪creativesoul


    Give this report a read, friend. But I know you won’t.

    https://www.justice.gov/storage/durhamreport.pdf
  • Donald Trump (All General Trump Conversations Here)
    ↪praxis


    That doesn’t seem to have been proven true from what I can find. If it is true he shouldn’t be held accountable.

    What do you know that few others seem to know?

    I don’t know if it’s true. What I do know is that the media, the intel community, ran with any allegation against Trump for years, won Pulitzer Prizes for their reporting, or were lauded for their persecutory delusions, and all was found to be false and unjust. If they did the same for everyone it would all be fine, but of course it appears they’re working hard to discredit it before seeing the documents in question.
  • Donald Trump (All General Trump Conversations Here)
    Biden’s son loses a gun near a school, buys crack, scores prostitutes, and now an informant brings evidence of bribery against dad, but no, Trump said something I didn’t like. :rofl: Just beautiful.
  • Donald Trump (All General Trump Conversations Here)
    ↪praxis


    The laptop was not the subject of the first investigation.

    https://www.nytimes.com/2020/09/23/us/politics/biden-inquiry-republicans-johnson.html

    …and the second investigation is not over. The second investigation unearthed some shady things.

    https://archive.ph/4RQtP

    Whistleblowers have asserted that the FBI, the IRS, are slow-walking the investigations.

    https://www.cbsnews.com/amp/news/hunter-biden-investigation-whistleblower-disclosures-allege-fbi-procedures-not-followed-chuck-grassley-james-comer/

    Just the other day the house oversight committee claim they have evidence that Joe Biden accepted bribes.

    https://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2023/jun/9/biden-accused-pocketing-5-million-bribe-while-vice/

    It’s weird you don’t mention any of this.
  • Existential Ontological Critique of Law
    ↪quintillus


    I’m as materialist as they come but I don’t believe in determinism.
  • Donald Trump (All General Trump Conversations Here)
    ↪creativesoul


    I’ll pass. I’m just giving you some info. It looks like you’re misinformed.
  • Donald Trump (All General Trump Conversations Here)
    ↪creativesoul


    New? It’s been going on since 2018, despite what you say.

    Hunter’s taxes and foreign business dealings have been under investigation by a federal grand jury in Delaware since at least 2018. His membership on the board of a Ukrainian energy company and his efforts to strike deals in China have raised questions by Republicans about whether he traded on his father’s public service.

    https://amp.theguardian.com/us-news/2023/may/08/white-house-prepares-for-possible-charges-against-hunter-biden
  • Donald Trump (All General Trump Conversations Here)
    ↪praxis


    It is a pity they were duped by misinfo, all of which was coordinated by the Biden campaign.

    https://judiciary.house.gov/media/in-the-news/biden-campaign-blinken-orchestrated-intel-letter-discredit-hunter-biden-laptop
  • Donald Trump (All General Trump Conversations Here)
    Hunter is still under investigation, despite what creativesoul says.

    https://www.pbs.org/newshour/amp/politics/hunter-biden-investigation-being-mishandled-irs-whistleblower-says
  • Donald Trump (All General Trump Conversations Here)
    ↪creativesoul


    Here’s mark Zuckerberg regretting it, blaming the FBI, despite creativesoul’s claims.

    https://nypost.com/2022/08/26/zuckerberg-blames-fbi-for-censoring-the-posts-hunter-biden-scoop/amp/
  • Donald Trump (All General Trump Conversations Here)
    ↪praxis


    This is the specific article that was suppressed before the election.

    https://nypost.com/2020/10/14/email-reveals-how-hunter-biden-introduced-ukrainian-biz-man-to-dad/amp/

    They had congressional hearing about it. Here’s Twitter’s Jack Dorsey regretting that he censored it.

    https://nypost.com/2021/03/25/dorsey-says-blocking-posts-hunter-biden-story-was-total-mistake/amp/
  • Donald Trump (All General Trump Conversations Here)
    ↪creativesoul


    I thought I was a Russian bot. I see we’ve expanded the goalposts a bit.
  • Existential Ontological Critique of Law
    ↪quintillus


    I think you’re right. The fallacy of appealing to law, and positive law in general, makes it clear to me that some believe law is determinative of behavior, despite the very notion being nonsensical.
  • Donald Trump (All General Trump Conversations Here)
    ↪praxis


    It is nefarious. Recall that true information was suppressed in the lead up to the election.
  • Donald Trump (All General Trump Conversations Here)
    ↪RogueAI


    I did, yes.
  • Donald Trump (All General Trump Conversations Here)
    Not only that but many of Trump’s legal losses are not the result of him committing crimes, but the result of anti-Trump lawmakers creating and altering laws to get him.

    For instance, New York Senator Brad Hoylman-Sigal is the one who signed into law the Adult Survivors Act, which gave that woman a one-year window to sue Trump over allegations long past their statute of limitations. He also did many others, aimed specifically at one man. So some victims of gaslighting can pretend Trump is losing, and not that the system is being rigged in a fashion that can only be described as persecution.

    https://www.cityandstateny.com/politics/2023/04/ny-bills-specifically-targeted-donald-trump/384793/
  • Donald Trump (All General Trump Conversations Here)
    ↪praxis


    That’s the one.

    There was a conspiracy unfolding behind the scenes, one that both curtailed the protests and coordinated the resistance from CEOs. Both surprises were the result of an informal alliance between left-wing activists and business titans. The pact was formalized in a terse, little-noticed joint statement of the U.S. Chamber of Commerce and AFL-CIO published on Election Day. Both sides would come to see it as a sort of implicit bargain–inspired by the summer’s massive, sometimes destructive racial-justice protests–in which the forces of labor came together with the forces of capital to keep the peace and oppose Trump’s assault on democracy.

    https://time.com/5936036/secret-2020-election-campaign/
  • Donald Trump (All General Trump Conversations Here)
    ↪praxis


    They were threatened by rioting activist groups, who for all of 2020 burned a lot of their property to the ground, for some reason.
  • Donald Trump (All General Trump Conversations Here)
    ↪RogueAI


    Good. It’s no surprise, then, that his opponents are abusing power to keep him out of it.

    If a cabal of corporate and activist interests didn’t work behind the scene to alter election laws, subverting democracy under the nose of American citizens, there might not have been such a reaction.
  • Donald Trump (All General Trump Conversations Here)
    ↪RogueAI


    I thought he would be president awhile and that would be the end of it. But his opponents took a piece of Clinton campaign disinformation and conspiracy theory and other lies to the top of the federal government, spreading it worldwide, destroying any chance at diplomacy between two now warring countries.
  • Donald Trump (All General Trump Conversations Here)
    Trump’s a folk devil. The scapegoating has become so bad that his opponents’ behavior has led to the state of the world we now see today.
  • Donald Trump (All General Trump Conversations Here)
    ↪Michael


    No it isn’t.
  • Donald Trump (All General Trump Conversations Here)
    ↪praxis


    Cheering for stupidity and corruption in government? Does your undying cheerleading for Trump count?

    Nope. He’s the one being persecuted.
  • Donald Trump (All General Trump Conversations Here)
    ↪frank


    I’m sure you can read Trump’s mind, knowing his wants and desires.

    Tyranny is cruel and oppressive government.
  • Donald Trump (All General Trump Conversations Here)
    ↪praxis


    Just reasserting the obvious because there seems to be a few people cheering this kind of tyranny.
  • Donald Trump (All General Trump Conversations Here)
    ↪Michael


    Nope. I just checked and found out it’s a parody account. What a dupe.
  • Donald Trump (All General Trump Conversations Here)
    ↪Michael


    Special Counsel going after a criminal.

    A wholly biased special prosecutor who displayed his bias in his tweets, and all for a glorified paperwork dispute. If justice is supposed to be blind then this isn’t justice.

    Meanwhile, Biden, who never had unilateral declassification powers, took and kept classified documents for almost a decade in unsecured locations. Not a criminal, I guess.
  • Donald Trump (All General Trump Conversations Here)
    Biden and the deep-state going after their political opponents once again. I’m sure none of it is to distract from Biden’s bribery scandal. The US government is both crooked and stupid from top to bottom.
  • Defining Features of being Human
    The fundamental features of any animal is its anatomy. Anatomy is a direct one-to-one ratio with all behaviors, capacities, abilities, etc.
  • Is consciousness present during deep sleep?
    We are conscious when we sleep for the reasons you stated. We still hear, see, feel etc. even to the point where these sounds and sights might show up in our dreams. If we weren’t conscious when we sleep we wouldn’t wake up at an alarm clock. It’s not that we have some subterranean level of consciousness, though, but that we are more conscious than we care to admit.
  • Subjective and Objective consciousness
    ↪RogueAI


    Was Helen Keller less conscious than most people?

    I would say so.

    I would say that if you lose a finger, you are exactly that much less conscious than someone who has the same finger. You no longer have the conscious biology where your finger once was, like having the tactile and other sensations that you would have otherwise.
  • The Naive Theory of Consciousness
    ↪hypericin


    I can accept that distinction, but I think it’s a distinction without a difference when it comes to dualism. It seems to me property dualists have merely adopted the language of physics in order to smuggle in their substances.
  • The Naive Theory of Consciousness
    ↪Patterner


    I do not "assume" an inner life. I experience it. It is, in truth, the only thing I know is a fact. I don’t know that you have an inner life. I am willing to assume that you are like me in various ways, including being a human with an inner life. But you may try to prove me wrong if you want.

    This is naive theory of consciousness. You are unable to connect your “inner life” to your inner biology. You can’t see or feel past your senses to what is actually there and what is actually occurring, so you rely on what little fleeting sensations they offer you as as facts.
  • The Naive Theory of Consciousness
    ↪Patterner


    You may pursue a spiritual route if you wish. Not my cup of tea. I don't have a problem with that new name, but it doesn't help explain what I just said above.

    If we do not assume “inner lives”, like Chalmers does, consciousness can be reduced to biology. In fact consciousness and biology are one and the same. The hard problem disappears and all that remains are the easy problems.
  • The Naive Theory of Consciousness
    ↪Patterner


    Perhaps it should be called the hard problem of biology, but then it wouldn’t have that nice spiritual ring to it.
  • The Naive Theory of Consciousness
    ↪Patterner


    The point isn't that you cannot know what it is like to be a bat. The point is that there is something it is like to be a bat. And, while we are not aware of any consciousness that is independent of a brain's activity, knowing everything about a bat's brain's activity doesn't give us any insight on the bat's inner experience. It doesn't suggest the bat has any inner experience. It's all just physical processes.

    I cannot assume inner lives because whenever we take a peak inside there is nothing of the sort in there. What we can see and what we can confirm is that there is biology in there, and this biology, its complexity, and the whole range of movements it makes are largely imperceptible to everyone involved. The fact that the phenomenology and the actuality differ so much suggests the one is unable to grasp or comprehend the other.
  • The Naive Theory of Consciousness
    ↪Wayfarer


    We are biologically identical, to all intents and purposes. Sure, science can tell our DNA apart but from a biological perspective, we're both members of the same species, and all our fundamental biological traits are identical.

    The law of identity, the fact that I’m here and you’re there, the fact that you do not have a single cell I have, proves there is nothing about us that is identical.

    States only experienced by a conscious sentient being. Not an anaesthetized being, nor a corpse.

    If I’m to avoid question-begging and deification, I’ll have to say the states and the conscious being are the same. Altering the state alters the consciousness for this reason, for instance with anaesthetics and death.
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