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  • James Webb Telescope
    ↪Wayfarer
    You think the points mentioned in thie wiki article below are just pie-in-the-sky fantasies? My guess is we're only limited by current technology since "current science" (i.e. extant physical laws) does not prohibit "interstellar travel", just 'AFAL/FTL acceleration' through spacetime.

    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Interstellar_travel
  • Donald Trump (All General Trump Conversations Here)
    24April24

    Today in Trumpenfraude:

    https://www.azcentral.com/story/news/politics/elections/2024/04/24/arizona-fake-electors-indictments/73184206007/

    When one or more of the criminal co-conspirstors Rudy Guiliani, Mark Meadows, John Eastman, Jenna Ellis (all of whom are also indicted in Georgia), Christina Bobb, Boris Epshteyn & Michael Roman flip, the GOP (Gimps for Putin) candidate for president Unindicted Co-conspirator-1 ... again will be indicted in Arizona (probably by the end of May, just in time for his conviction in NYC). :cool: :up:
  • Israel killing civilians in Gaza and the West Bank
    ↪Moses
    ↪tim wood
    :yawn:
    Here's a video of an interview with Jewish-American (forensic scholar) political activist Norman Finklestein with the title: Memory Of The Holocaust Is Abused By Zionists As A "Weapon"

    @RogueAI @BitconnectCarlos

    This is the legacy of the Israeli oppression of Palestinians. — Punshhh
    :100:
  • Israel killing civilians in Gaza and the West Bank
    I am unaware of any hostages held by the Israelis. — tim wood
    Willful ignorance (my mistake assuming the video, etc I'd offered you upthread would help educate you on this matter) or craven deceit. :shade:

    ↪Moses
    Obviously, you're not serious ...
  • Israel killing civilians in Gaza and the West Bank
    Destroy all oppression — Moses
    The aggressor-oppressor (apartheid) State of Israel first. :up:
  • Israel killing civilians in Gaza and the West Bank
    ↪tim wood
    :roll: Clearly you are severely allergic – cognitively dissonant due – to the relevant historical and critical information provided most recently by
    ↪180 Proof
    and others.

    Funny how they never demand a Palestine free of Hamas’s occupation & oppression. — Moses
    Not half as "funny" as the apologists for decades of Israeli settler dispossession, Shin Bet apartheid and IDF collective punishment who incorrigibly fail to recognize/acknowledge that Hamas and others "terrorists" are the logical consequence of (US-backed) Irgun/Likudnik *zion-über-alles* fascism. As long as a man is beaten savagely everyday like a dog, the only moral "demand" is for the beatings to stop in order for 'the dog' to learn how to stop trying to rip out 'the dog-beater's' throat. "Eye for an eye", Moses – lose-lose or win-win: oppressor's (Pharoah's), not the oppressed's (Hebrew exiles'), choice. :brow:
  • Israel killing civilians in Gaza and the West Bank
    1) What do you say should be done now about the hostages? — tim wood
    They all should be released asap just as all the Palestinian non-militants held hostage and tortured in Israeli prisons should be released. And the nearly 2 million Gazan hostages should be released asap. Lastly, the Israeli population, who are hostages of several decades of right wing, colonizer-settler "Greater Israel", anti-peace policies, should be released as well.

    2) You added to the video you reference above, "Free Palestine!" What exactly do you mean by that?
    Exactly what you apologists fear – the aspirational struggle: Palestine free of Israeli occupation & oppression. No doubt, at least since 1967, opposing a free Palestine consequently opposes a free Israel.
  • James Webb Telescope
    More astra ex machina :nerd:

    re: Voyager-1
    https://www.bbc.com/news/science-environment-68881369
  • Israel killing civilians in Gaza and the West Bank
    I don't know enough ... — tim wood
    Yes, that's why i linked you and others to this video
    ↪180 Proof
    on 'the history' of Israeli oppression of Gazans et al.

    Also this (in case you missed or willfully ignored @Tzeentch's) post ...
    https://thephilosophyforum.com/discussion/comment/898196

    ... representation that Gazans are simply innocent victims and responsibility-free.
    Strawman, of course. 'Collective punishment' (e.g. domicide¹) and 'disproportionate retaliatory slaughter' of a several decades-long captive population for "October 7th" by (US client-state) Israel are, at least, ongoing war crimes.

    https://www.haaretz.com/israel-news/2024-01-04/ty-article-magazine/.highlight/amid-israeli-destruction-in-gaza-a-new-crime-against-humanity-emerges-domicide/0000018c-d585-d751-ad8d-ffa5965e0000 [1]

    https://fnl.mit.edu/january-march-2024/domicide-the-mass-destruction-of-homes-should-be-a-crime-against-humanity/ [1]
  • What Are You Watching Right Now?
    18April24, Avenue C, NYC
  • Israel killing civilians in Gaza and the West Bank
    Ceasefire NOW. Free Palestine!

    Depose, Arrest, Prosecute & Punish the war criminals Netanyahu & his regime's leaders!

    @BitconnectCarlos @tim wood @RogueAI & other zionfascist apologists ...
  • Israel killing civilians in Gaza and the West Bank
    Palestinian [oppressed] kills Jew = Resistance. Jew [oppressor] kills Palestinian = war crime.
    — BitconnectCarlos

    That's how it works when one party is oppressed and the other is oppressed. That has nothing to do with identity.
    — Benkei
    :100: :up:
  • The Breadth of the Moral Sphere
    ↪Bob Ross
    :up:
  • RIP Daniel Dennett
    ↪Wayfarer
    If you believe Daniel Dennett was "the most consistent representative of scientism" (which he wasn't), Wayf, then it's quite likely you haven't studied Dennett's work or read the philosopher Alex Rosenberg's pro-scientism work e.g. The Atheist's Guide to Reality.

    https://thephilosophyforum.com/discussion/comment/898001
  • The Breadth of the Moral Sphere
    Is harm thought to be synonymous with justice? — Leontiskos
    No. However, injustice is a kind of harm perpetrated by a group (i.e. its institutional functionaries) against individuals.

    For example, if someone enters your house with a gun and you sneak up behind them and knock them unconscious in order to incapacitate them, would the negative utilitarian say that you have harmed them? If this does not count as harm ...
    Not if "incapacitating" the gunman is the only or least harmful way to prevent the gunman from doing greater, perhaps lethal, harm (e.g. like surgically removing a malignant tumor or severing a foot caught in a bear trap or terminating an unwanted pregnancy before viability (or an unviable pregnancy that is more likely than not to kill the pregnant woman)).
  • The Breadth of the Moral Sphere
    I don’t follow your objection. — Leontiskos
    What I mean is this: to say that "all human actions are moral actions" (dogma) in effect negates itself (dialectically) by entailing that there are no non-moral actions to distinguish from, and thereby identify, "moral actions". Thus, for me at least, your OP's premises are incoherent.

    Also this, Leontiskos ...
    The desire for what is good does not mean that the good will be found in our practices. What the good is remains highly problematic.

    Reading Aristotle as if his work is not dialectical makes it hard to see that he is guided by unanswered questions rather than dogmatic answers.
    — Fooloso4
    :fire:
  • Currently Reading
    Revolutionary Jews From Spinoza to Marx: The Fight for A Secular World of Universal and Equal Rights by Jonathan Israel — Maw
    :up:
  • RIP Daniel Dennett
    I am surprised no one has started a thread on this — Manuel
    A post from yesterday ...
    He just died. Surprised there was no mention here.

    https://www.nytimes.com/2024/04/19/books/daniel-dennett-dead.html

    RIP
    — fishfry
  • Ukraine Crisis
    Slava Ukraini :fire:

    https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2024/apr/20/us-house-approves-61bn-aid-ukraine

    Fuck the GOP (Gimps Of Putin)!
  • Daniel Dennett interview
    ↪fishfry
    From this morning ...

    https://thephilosophyforum.com/discussion/comment/898001

    No more 'resting in peace' than there would be for cars cut up for scrap. — Wayfarer
    Ergo ... :death: :flower:
  • The Mind-Created World
    Our interpetations are constrained by the nature of the world including ourselves, so it's not right to say that we create the world. — Janus
    The bodymind interprets what is given to it precognitively. It doesn't create what is given ... — Janus

    :100: :up:
  • What Are You Watching Right Now?
    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Atheism_Tapes



    Daniel Dennett, d. 2024
    Jonathan Miller, d. 2019
  • Currently Reading
    https://thephilosophyforum.com/discussion/comment/897768

    Remembering Daniel Dennett 1942-2024 (whom I had the honor of meeting after public lectures in 1987 (Boston) and 1994 (Minneapolis)), I'm rereading ...

    • Darwin's Dangerous Idea
    • Mind's I
    (w/ D. Hofstadter)
    • Breaking the Spell: Religion as a Natural Phenomenon
    • Inside Jokes: Using Humor to Reverse Engineer the Mind


    ... for now.
  • Israel killing civilians in Gaza and the West Bank
    ↪Mikie
    :up:

    ↪BitconnectCarlos
    :up: :up:
  • The Mind-Created World
    https://thephilosophyforum.com/discussion/comment/897768 :fire:
  • TPF Quote Cabinet
    One of the surprising discoveries of modern psychology is how easy it is to be ignorant of your own ignorance.

    Like many other natural wonders, the human mind is something of a bag of tricks, cobbled together over the eons by the foresightless process of evolution by natural selection.

    Philosophy is to science what pigeons are to statues.

    There’s simply no polite way to tell people they’ve dedicated their lives to an illusion.

    The task of the mind is to produce future, as the poet Paul Valéry once put it. A mind is fundamentally an anticipator, an expectation-generator. It mines the present for clues, which it refines with the help of the materials it has saved from the past, turning them into anticipations of the future. And then it acts, rationally, on the basis of those hard-won anticipations.

    The mind is the effect, not the cause.
    — Daniel Dennett, d. 2024
  • Israel killing civilians in Gaza and the West Bank
    I'd wager less than 10k civilians killed. — BitconnectCarlos
    Of course you would ... just like any other deluded holocaust denier.
  • Israel killing civilians in Gaza and the West Bank
    open supporters of terrorist groups — BitconnectCarlos
    like you, BitC, et al (re: Netanyahu's 'mass murdering + mass starvation strategy for settlers lebensraum' regime).
  • Israel killing civilians in Gaza and the West Bank
    ↪BitconnectCarlos
    FOX Noise and other right wing propaganda media are disinforming you, BitC. :mask:
  • Israel killing civilians in Gaza and the West Bank
    ↪BitconnectCarlos
    Non sequitur nonsense.
  • Israel killing civilians in Gaza and the West Bank
    You're an atheistic materialist. No? The universe has no real meaning/value save what we choose to impose? — BitconnectCarlos
    :roll: C'mon, dude, for fuck's sake. Atheism =/= nihilism. Materialism =/= nihilism. Anti-zionism (i.e. anti-greater israel fascism) =/= nihilism. Anti-oppressors =/= nihilism. Anti-Netanyahu's regime =/= nihilism.

    Opposing systematic military slaughter of an apartheid-corraled, ethnically cleansed civilian population without any Bronze Age religious cult's "promise of eternal reward" (or "promised land"-grab!) exemplifies historically-situated moral goodness (and courage) in contrast to theo-fascist apologia like post-1967 zionism-über-alles. After all, "faith" has always been a blanket rationalization for moral cretinism – in effect, nihilism. :shade:
  • The Breadth of the Moral Sphere
    I am a moral realist[naturalist] who disagrees with both theses — Leontiskos
    :up:

    Thesis 1 and thesis 2 represent two categorical claims:

    All human acts are moral acts
    All interpersonal acts are justice acts
    I don't think these statements make sense or are useful (re: if "all" x = y, then ~x = y).

    What is the breadth of the moral sphere?
    In the metaethical framework of moral naturalism, I think "the moral sphere" consists of natural creatures (i.e. any sentient species) which can suffer from – fears of – arbitrary harm (or injustice), especially, though not exclusively, moral agents who are also moral patients.

    Anyway, my objections:

    Some human acts are not moral acts
    In the normative framework of negative utilitarianism, I think only judgments/conduct which (actively or passively) (a) prevents or reduces harm or (b) inflicts or increases harm are moral; however, those activities which are neither (a) nor (b) are non-moral (e.g. phatic, instrumental, involuntary) so that most "human acts", in fact, are non-moral.

    Some interpersonal acts are not justice acts
    In the applied framework of negative consequentialism, I do not think "interpersonal acts are justice acts" because "justice" pertains to impacts on individuals by institutional or group practices (i.e. policies) and not "interpersonal" – what happens between individuals.
  • What Might an Afterlife be Like?
    What are your thoughts on self-sacrifice in this instance? — BitconnectCarlos
    :roll: This ...
    I do not see how "the afterlife" is a primary motivating factor. — 180 Proof
  • What Might an Afterlife be Like?
    Do you understand the scenario? — BitconnectCarlos
    Yes. Do you? Apparently you don't understand this dispute.
  • What is the true nature of the self?
    ↪Metaphysician Undercover
    No. Read my exchange with bert1 again.

    ↪bert1
    Nevermind.
  • Israel killing civilians in Gaza and the West Bank
    ↪Benkei
    :smirk: :up:
  • What is the true nature of the self?
    ↪bert1
    "Consciousness is the capacity" =
    structure and function — bert1
    "to feel" ... so you're contradicting yourself :confused:
  • What is the true nature of the self?
    Consciousness is not structure and function. — bert1
    Okay, so then what is "consciousness"?
  • What is the true nature of the self?
    So, if I've understood your question properly, consciousness abstracted from any functioning system is indeed impersonal, in that sense. — bert1
    Ergo the implication is that subjects are not conscious (or impersonal)?
  • What Might an Afterlife be Like?
    All true. But what of self-sacrifice in an instance where, according to the social reality, it would seem completely futile? [ ... ] Do we still self-sacrifice here? — BitconnectCarlos
    This depends on the particular persons engaged that "futile" situation. I do not see how "the afterlife" is a primary motivating factor
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