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  • The Meta-management Theory of Consciousness
    ↪RogueAI
    :roll:

    ↪wonderer1
    :up: :up:

    the counterintuitive phenomenon of "blindsight", in which patients behave as-if they see something, but report that they were not consciously aware of the object — Gnomon
    Maybe you missed the link posted by @ "wonderer1" ...
    https://aeon.co/essays/how-blindsight-answers-the-hard-problem-of-consciousness
  • Hell, and the Perfect Selector
    ↪ToothyMaw
    I did not mention anything about "hatred" or "religion" so I don't know what you are talking about. My "ambigous" point was only that (at minimum) "hell" also may be conceived of as involuntary self-sabotage.
  • Hell, and the Perfect Selector
    Camus says "[Stupidity] is sin without God" and Dostoyevsky says "Hell ... being unable to love" (i.e. perpetual failure to learn from failure).
  • Being In the Middle
    ↪Joshs
    :up:
  • What are you listening to right now?
    8April24 :cool:

    There is no dark side in the moon, really. Matter of fact, it's all dark. The only thing that makes it look light is the sun. — Gerry O'Driscoll, doorman at Abbey Road Studios

    "Eclipse" (2:03)
    The Dark Side of the Moon, 1973
    lyrics Roger Waters
    performers Pink Floyd
  • Are there things that aren’t immoral but you shouldn’t want to be the kind of person that does them?
    With this in mind do you think there things that aren’t immoral but you still shouldn’t want to be the kind of person that does them even if you’re the only person affected? — Captain Homicide
    I wouldn't want to live an 'unexamined life' or without ever wholeheartedly loving anyone else. I also wouldn't want be a coward or servile. (I'm sure there's more ...)
  • Being In the Middle
    I wonder if we forget our place if we don't sometimes remind ourselves of the middle. — Fire Ologist
    Yes, we are 'beings-in-media-res'. I prefer Jasper's notion of 'Existenz' as conditioned, or grounded, by what he calls the encompassing¹ or even better, more concrete, Spinoza's/Deleuze's 'radical immanence' (i.e. eternal and infinite substance²).

    https://philonotes.com/2023/04/karl-jasperss-concept-of-encompassing ¹

    https://medium.com/indian-thoughts/the-world-as-immanence-415a86f5003d ²
  • Who is morally culpable?
    ↪AmadeusD
    Determinism does not necessarily exclude "free will"; rather it can be conceptualized as conditioning – enabling-constraining – free actions re: compatibilism..
  • Who is morally culpable?
    Is determinism true? — Truth Seeker
    "Determinism" is a thought-experiment, not a truth-claim – a supposition, not a proposition.

    How can we know for sure?
    We cannot "know" it, only imagine it.
  • Donald Trump (All General Trump Conversations Here)
    My statement was that there's no reason to believe Biden is any better.
    — boethius

    Exactly. Which is absurd and, I’ll repeat (accurately); if this is your conclusion, then you’re not paying attention. Plain and simple ... My suggestion is to read less philosophy— it’s not doing you any good here.
    — Mikie
    :100: :up:
  • The Meta-management Theory of Consciousness
    ↪Malcolm Lett
    I'm still 'processing' your MMT and wonder what you make of Thomas Metzinger's self-model of subjectivity (SMS) which, if you're unfamiliar with it, is summarized in the article (linked below) with an extensive review of his The Ego Tunnel.

    https://naturalism.org/resources/book-reviews/consciousness-revolutions

    Also, a short lecture by Metzinger summarizing the central idea of 'self-modeling' ...

    ↪wonderer1
    Thoughts?

    @bert1 @RogueAI @Jack Cummins @javi2541997 @Wayfarer
  • What's the Difference between Philosophy and Science?
    Now everything else can toss the coin (or when you do metaphysics, the coin can toss everything else). — Fire Ologist
    :smirk:
  • What's the Difference between Philosophy and Science?
    I would say the two sides of the coin include science and philosophy together on the one side, keep the coin as the connector logic, but put everything else on the other side as the objects of science/philosophy. — Fire Ologist
    Interesting. I agree with "the coin ... logic". However, suppose "everything else ... objects of science/philosophy" instead tosses the "coin", so to speak, again and again again dialectically. :chin:

    I hope the T.O.E. fails. — ucarr
    You believe the goal of physicists' "T.O.E." is to explain "everything"? that it's not just physics but some final (super-natural) metaphysics? I thought the aim was to produce a testable unification of the fundamental forces of nature – to demonstrate they are aspects or modalities of one another – that's formulated into a G.U.T. (which would include QG). What does "everything" have to do with it? That's not physics. How is it even possible to test a purported explanation for "everything"?
  • Donald Trump (All General Trump Conversations Here)
    ↪Benkei
    He has almost 79 million shares ...

    https://apnews.com/article/trump-media-truth-social-spac-vote-841820869418c37ad7eed04f2af42854
  • Donald Trump (All General Trump Conversations Here)
    Today in Trumpenfreude:

    Past being prologue, on paper Loser-1 has lost $2 billion since last Friday 26March as Trump Media (DJT) stock crashed again on NASDAQ. Dead Grift Bounce! :lol:

    https://www.cnn.com/2024/04/05/business/trump-media-stock-sinks-post-merger-low/index.html
  • What religion are you and why?
    I read Robert Alter's biblical translation — BitconnectCarlos
    :up:

    Though it's been years since I've read his books, I'd always found Robert Alter's scholarship excellent (i.e. rewards rereading), especially e.g. The Art of Biblical Narrative ... Necessary Angels: Tradition and Modernity in Kafka, Benjamin, and Scholem ... The Wisdom Books: Job, Proverbs and Ecclesiastes.

    Btw, have you read Spinoza's Tractatus, Theologico-Politicus? If so, BC, what did you think? And what about God In Search of Man by Abraham Heschel? Two more masterworks which have also helped to exorcize the last dregs of my latent Catholicism (re: Pauline Christianity). An 'irreligious atheist' through and through, the scars throughout my psyche of a dozen years of parochial schooling have never left me such that I'm still haunted by the Jewishness of "Christ" (read the Aramaic-English verson of the New Testament AND The Gospel of Jesus According to The Jesus Seminar) and thereby fascinated with biblical (or ancient) Judaism.
  • What's the Difference between Philosophy and Science?
    The scope of science includes more th[an] nature? — ucarr
    AFAIK: no, it cannot.

    The scope of nature includes more than material things and their attendant physics?
    Yes (e.g. facts, subjects).

    I argue for the vanishing point of difference between science and philosophy through the essential linkage connecting brain and mind.
    I agree, but for a different reason: reality itself is the negation of impossibility (e.g. facts in contradiction to one another or to themselves; things with inconsistent properties), or that the Principle of Non-Contradiction (PNC) is the coin of the real(m) with complementary faces: Philosophy (roots, heads) and Science (branches, tails).

    NB: 'religion', however, is only an 'IOU' (fiat money).
  • US Election 2024 (All general discussion)
    (Writing this out now so you can throw it at me later if I’m wrong.) — Mikie
    :smirk: :up:
  • US Election 2024 (All general discussion)
    5April24

    FWIW: my 2024 "election predictions" (based on (A) electoral trends 2017-2023 completely favoring Dems; (B) SCOTUS & MAGA-GOP taking away women's reproductive rights / criminalizing abortions; (C) consistent trend of 20% of GOP primary voters rejecting Loser-1 even after Haley, DeSantis & Christie suspended their campaigns; (D) Criminal Defendant-1 convicted in NY by June/July; (E) benefits of Biden's economy broadly felt by September; (F) etc):

    1. Biden-Harris reelected
    -gets 5-7 million more votes than Loser-1 again (even with lower turnout than 2020)
    -gets more (suburban) women voters
    -gets more under 35 year old voters
    -gets more minorities voters
    -gets more independent voters
    -wins 4-5 out of 7 "swing states" (plus 1-2 more "red states" (e.g. NC))

    2. Dems wins US Senate (+2 seat gain)

    3. Dems win US House (+20 seat gain)

    update:

    Third-party candidates RFK, J. Stein & C. West collectively will be a non-factor in the outcome of the 2024 election.
  • Wondering about inverted qualia
    ↪bert1
    How so?
  • Donald Trump (All General Trump Conversations Here)
    Many[none] of these circumstances applied when Hillary ran and she lost. — Benkei
    Not so, not even close ...

    https://thephilosophyforum.com/discussion/comment/851623

    That's my story and I'm sticking to it because my gut and my head tells me not to panic. Loser-1 and his MAGATs are going to keep on losing as they have every year since 2017. :victory: :mask:
  • Wondering about inverted qualia
    Ah well. I'm here to talk philosophy. — AmadeusD
    :gasp:
  • Wondering about inverted qualia
    ↪AmadeusD
    :yawn:
  • Wondering about inverted qualia
    Qualia are experienced as non-physical. — AmadeusD
    :roll:
  • Wondering about inverted qualia
    ... qualia (the subjective feel of experiences) cannot be accounted for purely by physical/functional properties ... — Matripsa
    So what accounts for "qualia" other, or more efficacious, than "physical/functional properties"?
  • Understanding ethics in the case of Artificial Intelligence
    But AGI is limited to knowledge, and so, structurally, it can only decide and choose based on information already made explicit that it is told or learns. — Antony Nickles
    This is incorrect even for today's neural networks' and LLMs' generative algorithms which clearly exhibit creativity (i.e. creating new knowledge or new solutions to old problems (e.g. neural network AlphaGo's 'unprecedented moves' in its domination of Go grandmaster Lee Sedol in 2016)). 'Human-level intelligence' entails creativity so there aren't any empirical grounds (yet?) to doubt that 'AGI' will be (at least) as creative (i.e. capable of imaging counterfactuals and making judgments which exceed its current knowledge) as its makers. It will be able to learn whatever we can learn and that among all else includes (if, for its own reasons, it chooses to learn) how to be a moral agent.
  • US Election 2024 (All general discussion)
    ↪RogueAI
    Big whup. :wink:

    https://thephilosophyforum.com/discussion/comment/890076
  • Information and Randomness
    ↪Wayfarer
    :up: :up:
  • What's the Difference between Philosophy and Science?
    Science of Philosophy, or philosophy of science? — ucarr
    Philosophy of science.

    Can scientific truth and philosophical truth contradict each other and yet retain their validity, respectively?
    Philosophy is not theoretical but rather is interpretive (i.e. makes explicit – problemarizes – presuppositions and/or implicitations) of non-theoretical as well as theoretical statements.

    Does science deviate from the philosophical project when it rolls up its sleeves and gets down and dirty with observation of nature, experimentation, and double-blind testing?
    Science extends, not "deviates" from, philosophy into matters of fact (e.g. applied maths and logics).

    If science discovers a posteriori the facts of nature, then does it follow that science, being the source of empirical truth, equates itself with materialism?
    No

    Is every[any] category of science a type of materialism?
    No.

    Does philosophy hold aloof from science within an academic fortress of abstract math and logic?
    I don't understand this question.

    If philosophy of science governs scientific practice, then does it follow that philosophy, being the source of the rules, equates itself with metaphysics?
    "Philosophy of science" does not "govern science", it only clarifies and interprets concepts, methods, models, experiments, etc (and maybe even the import to, or impact on, non-scientific, or cultural, practices).

    Is every category of philosophy a type of metaphysics?
    IMHO, a (kataphatic) metaphysics proposes a categorical hierarchy, or organization, of topics/aporias in philosophy – (e.g.)
    [ontology¹ [axiology² [epistemology]]]
    which can be read knowing derived from valuing derived from being
    – that is, 'conceptually making sense in the most general way of reality in the most general sense'.


    (including theology & cosmology)¹
    (i.e. aesthetics, ethics, logic)²
  • Is Knowledge Merely Belief?
    ↪SpaceDweller
    Read the articles I've linked so you can tell for yourself whether or not "JTB is antiquated".

    Say we have accepted some not-yet-falsified claim and count it as knowledge, and then it becomes falsified. Was it ever knowledge in that case? — Janus
    No, but actual knowledge is fallibilistic.
  • What happens when we die?
    ↪Truth Seeker
    I wouldn't assume that's true. An extraordinary claim requires extraordinary evidence. Anecdotes ain't good enough for me, Seeker.
  • What happens when we die?
    Did you watch the video and read the research paper in the first post on this thread? — Truth Seeker
    No.

    Are you saying that they don't count as evidence?
    Yes, of course (or at least not as relevant and sufficient "evidence"^^).

    If so, why don't they count as evidence?
    As I've already stated:
    Resuscitation is not resurrection^^ (or reincarnation). Death is irreversible brain decomposition^^. Unless 'dis-embodied subjectivity' (i.e. flat earth) is the case, "NDE" or "RED" cannot be anything but a false memory illusion. — 180 Proof
    ."Clinical death" indicates the limit of (available) medical interventions for reviving a patient and not [relevant and sufficient evidence^^ :point:] the terminal stage of a patient's morbidity.
  • Is Knowledge Merely Belief?
    ↪SpaceDweller
    "JTB" is antiquated. Much more cogent:

    "belief"
    https://plato.stanford.edu/entries/justep-foundational/

    "knowledge"
    https://iep.utm.edu/karl-popper-critical-ratiotionalism/
  • The Vulnerable World Hypothesis
    Why use scientific progress and not simply technological progress? — ssu
    :up: :up:

    ↪SpaceDweller
    Every 'civilization' is always most vulnerable to (thermodynamic and/or information) entropy.
  • What happens when we die?
    ↪Truth Seeker
    This thread topic is "not based on evidence" either.
  • Is Knowledge Merely Belief?
    Belief is assent (true if warranted, opinion if unwarranted, delusion if its negation is warranted).

    Knowledge consists of truths or not-yet-falsified claims the statuses of which are independent of dis/belief.
  • What happens when we die?
    No one deserves to go to heaven or hell because no one has free will. — Truth Seeker
    Calvinists, for instance, (seem to) believe that some are pre-determined to be "damned" or "saved".

    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Predestination
  • US Election 2024 (All general discussion)
    But feel free to correct me where I'm wrong. — boethius
    Been there, done that. :lol:
    .
  • If there was an omniscient and omnibenevolent person on earth what do you think would happen?
    Perhaps human agency (free will) is at the pinnacle of their determination of what is good for us. — Benj96
    :chin: Even so ...
    I've no reason to doubt that this "all-knowing omnibenevolent entity" would coopt us into engineering a humanly inescapable menagerie ("Matrix") for our own good that optimally simulates "the illusion of agency". — 180 Proof
  • Israel killing civilians in Gaza and the West Bank
    2April24

    To date over 32,000 Palestinians in Gaza have been killed by Israel since 7Oct23 and the (US-backed) slaughter continues ...

    Feel the Bern: "Stop murdering innocent people!"
    https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2024/apr/02/bernie-sanders-netanyahu-gaza-murdering-innocent-people

    "Netanyahu branded 'traitor' by Israeli protestors"
    https://www.arabnews.com/node/2487171/middle-east
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