Not at all. Unconscious-deterministic speculations e.g. Spinoza's substance, Epicurus' atomic void, Laozi's dao, etc[T]o preclude cosmic consciousness, must embrace cosmic randomness. — ucarr
The conceptual incoherence of which is made explicit by "the interaction problem" (as well as violation of physical conservation laws) entailed by Descartes' mind-body (substance) duality, thus rendering idealism (re: mind as ontologically separate from / logically prior to body) a much less parsimonious – less cogent – philosophical paradigm than naturalism.The culmination of the Cartesian ego cogito. — Pantagruel
I don't grok you.Regarding magical_wishful_group thinking, why do you think there's a logical skein extending from you to a scale of consciousness larger than you? — ucarr
:lol:Spinoza's philosophy is both pantheistic and panpsychist ... — Gnomon
Like magical / wishful / group thinking – no I don't "deny" it.Do you deny that God consciousness is a component of human psychology? — ucarr
Yes, defeasible reasoning.Do you have criteria establishing the falsifiability of ...?
Tautologies are empty expressions. Truth claims require truth makers.If truth emerges from an identity correspondence - a=a[/u]
I.e. delusions, fantasies, etc... theistic narratives as ... real human psychology?
There's no such thing.The atheistic belief — Hanover
No. The most direct and effective counter-argument to theism concludes by claiming theism is not true.The best argument the atheist can mount against theism is claiming it’s irrational, which is true. — ucarr
Yes. In evidence we trust. :chin:Does the atheist, on principle, always shun the leap of faith?
Well I prefer apophatic theology ...This is the simulation of God’s uncontainable presence.
Perhaps so, but only because you are not "God"; the "Almighty" otoh can "save a person" without "doing evil" or "allowing evil", thus every occurrance of "evil" in creation caused or allowed either by "Creator" or creature, the "Creator" is ultimately responsible for – "thy will be done!", or as scripture sayeth:E.g., if I can only save a person from getting murdered by doing evil, then allowing the evil of that person getting murdered is morally permissible and, in this case, obligatory. — Bob Ross
I form the light, and create darkness: I make peace, and create evil: I the Lord do all these things. — Isaiah 45:7
Like e.g. suffering / vulnerable beings ...There are varieties of moral realism which suppose that moral facts are much the same as physical facts, found lying about the place. — Banno
:fire: Again, well said, TS; our respective positions seem quite convergent. As an ecstatic naturalist (à la Spinoza's natura naturans sub specie durationis in metaphysic (e.g. Carlo Rovelli's RQM in physics)), for me ... 'relation is substance'.So perhaps my position could be described as dialogical naturalism: compassion as the empirical face of a metaphysical truth - the truth that relation precedes substance. — Truth Seeker
:fire:In that sense, compassion isn’t an invented rule but an encountered reality - the felt structure of coexistence itself. When I harm another, I don’t merely break a social convention; I diminish the field of meaning that connects us. The “realness” of ethics lies in that experiential invariance: wherever sentient beings coexist, the possibilities of care and harm appear as objectively distinct modalities of relation. — Truth Seeker
:up: :up:[N]ature doesn't prescribe—it occurs. The term "Law (of Nature)" seems like a linguistic artifact. A more accurate expression would be "stable regularities of the physical world" or simply "physical invariants." — Astorre
True ... and yet, yinyang-like, "compassion" presupposes "chaos" (just as every ceasefire presupposes a war), no?Without compassion, the circle breaks into chaos. — Truth Seeker
:100: :fire:So much of what we know and do is unstated and unconscious. For instance, we use language fluidly, and so clearly we all 'know' the rules of grammar, but when asked to explain them we are often at a loss. Words too: we 'know' what they mean, as we use them with ease, but we grope for definitions. The same goes for concepts, purposes, ideologies, worldviews.
And so goes the majority of our lives, acting without knowing why, doing without quite knowing what we do. This is the unexamined life. Philosophy remedies this: it can make the implicit explicit, the unconscious conscious.
As we bring the unconscious to light, more often then not, we realize that these implicit beliefs we've carried with us don't really make sense. Then we have the opportunity to replace the unconscious and irrational with the conscious and rational. This is growth, the transition to true adulthood that so many make all too late, or never at all. The conscious cultivation of a worldview which is consonant with the world, rather than an artifact of upbringing.
This is the purpose of philosophy. — hypericin
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Exactly.The two implementations, or messengers, deliver the same message of being; it's like a music CD [eternal, nonlocal] versus a live band [present, local]. — PoeticUniverse
:fire:[O]ntology opens the space for encounter; ethics [even more than "love" pace Iris Murdoch/Plato] keeps that space from closing into self-sufficiency [solipsism, egoism, narcissism]. — Truth Seeker
What of Levinas' meontological notion of 'ethics as first philosophy' (from Totality and Infinity)?the ethical and the ontological are not two regions but two inflections of the same opening — Truth Seeker
So, are trans gender rights human rights? Some of them are. Some of them are not. — Philosophim
:up: :up:... a form of wishful thinking.
A "right" which isn't a legal right (i.e. enforceable and subject to protection under the law, the violation of which is compensable) is nothing more than ... — Ciceronianus
:up: Like a vacuum or atom or aether ...I agree that if there is something similar to pneuma it will be established [falsified] through science, not philosophy. — Ciceronianus
:lol:a Dan Brown novel — T Clark
:chin: That's sophistry, not philosophy. (Plato)a type of rationalization of ones own prejudices — DifferentiatingEgg
:fire:To be a lowly worm and ask a question of the divine is to understand the value and purpose of philosophy. — Philosophim
Here in America, we fuckin' precariats need to grow some Aussie balls.In Australian culture low status workers habitually question and sometimes harass the management and ruling classes. — Tom Storm
In so far as 'thinking' helps one to thrive over above one's mere survival, I agree.[Philosophy]'s about one thing, and one thing only: "Thinking in the face of the pressure not to."
The reality is that there is often immense pressure to not think about things. For many, thinking about common ideas that hold society together is dangerous.
Never stop thinking and never stop questioning even basic assumptions and outlooks. — Philosophim
:smirk: Nah. Join the club ...Am I literally the only one left on the planet who is an AI optimist? — Colo Millz
:up: :up:It's just easier to do it with an AI, there's so much less at stake, it's so safe, and you don't really have to put any skin in the game [ .... ] Practicing ich-du on AI's is cowardly. — baker
Gracias, señor.Happy 10th anniversary, folks. :wink: — javi2541997
Please explain.[God] is a moral concept ... — Constance
:up: :up:If “God” is a moral concept, then its worth must be judged by the moral outcomes it inspires. A concept that sanctifies fear, tribalism, or subservience fails on its own moral grounds. — Truth Seeker
:fire:Whether “God” is a phenomenological boundary-concept or an anthropomorphic myth, the question remains: What does belief in this fiction do to sentient beings? Does it cultivate compassion, or sanctify domination? — Truth Seeker
Consider: decisions risking their own lives to hide runaway slaves from a posse of slavers or to hide Jews / homosexuals from gangs of Nazis ... or families of murder victims opposing thePlease, can you give me a salient example where a decision has been made on good or evil that is not based on political expediency. — Pieter R van Wyk
It may be that our role on this planet is not to worship God – but to [build it]. — Arthur C. Clarke
