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  • Order from Disorder
    ↪Pantagruel
    So is it or is it not an "open question"? If it is, cite some sources.
  • Order from Disorder
    ↪Pantagruel
    An "open question" for whom?
  • Israel killing civilians in Gaza and the West Bank
    The majority of Jewish people in the diaspora and in Israel for a long time have favored a two-state solution ... it's a national question, it's a land question. This is also the expressed view of the United States Congress, of American Jewry, of the United Nations, of the European Union ... and of the Palestinian Liberation Organization. It's what the majority of people involved in this dispute want. Why can't they get what we all want? Why is it made impossible? Because in both communities the veto is held by 'the party of God' ... — Christopher Hitchens, 2009
    ... messianic Jewish settlers & Hamas.

  • Speculation: Eternalism and the Problem of Evil
    ↪Wayfarer
    Well, the ancient dharmic bias for moksha ("oblivion") is obvious, no? I ain't scared of Bodhisattva sages' just-so "horror" stories of bardo – I should have written 'at the moment of death' instead. Besides, apotheosis (Nietzschean or, better yet, Spinozist) is my jam, Wayf. :fire:
  • Donald Trump (All General Trump Conversations Here)
    ↪Wayfarer
    Yeah, I voted her in 2020 while I still lived in Atlanta. I was quite impressed (and bored enough from the quarantine to watch a tv local program on) her bio. My only regret is that I'm now living in Washington (Pacific NW) and no longer eligible for the Fulton County jury pool. Almost certainly I'd be stricken because of my years as a paralegal, bank auditor and/or (leftwing) political activist in the 80s-90s, but still I wish I had the chance to try to dumb myself down enough to survive voir dire. :mask:
  • Speculation: Eternalism and the Problem of Evil
    Maybe the only 'free' choice one ever makes is made at death (bardo?) either to relive one's life – travel again along one's worldline – or oblivion. Every death always culminates in the same either-or: replay the dvd or erase it. How many times could one endure one's existence, regardless of how much or little one has suffered and how high or low one's joys? Maybe oblivion is inevitable sooner or later. Maybe something like 'godhood' (à la Epicurus' gods) is attained by reliving one's exact same life endlessly. No resurrection, no reincarnation; instead a Nietzschean eternal return "beyond good and evil" (i.e. affirming both joys and sorrows)! Amor fati.

    :death: :flower:
  • Order from Disorder
    ↪Pantagruel
    Decreases in local disorder (aka "negentropy") accelerate increasing global disorder.
  • God, as Experienced, and as Metaphysical Speculation
    Eternity [is] not before time temporally because it is the absence of time. — Gregory
    Suppose eternity is the ocean and time (i.e. our spacetime) is a wave on the ocean's surface ... Not "the absence of time" but rather eternity is the whole of all times (e.g. block universe, the bulk, true vacuum). :chin:
  • Metaphysics as an Illegitimate Source of Knowledge
    Let's take one of your previous examples (of a philosophical statement that you say is non-propositional): "Consciousness is fundamental to reality"^^. Are you saying that, in principle, that statement is not truth-apt? — Bob Ross
    "In principle" there is not any fact of the matter that can make the statement true. At most, it's a supposition expressed (confusedly) in a declarative, or categorical, form (as philosophers are wont to do).

    ^^Consciousness is fundamental reality.

    Are you, likewise, saying it is a non-cognitive statement?
    Yes, of course.
  • Israel killing civilians in Gaza and the West Bank
    Netanyahu helped create Hamas, just like the US helped create Al Qaeda, ISIS, etc.

    He used Hamas specifically to sabotage the PLO to avoid having serious talks about two-state solutions and other peace plans.

    [ ... ]

    The US committed de facto genocide in Vietnam, and it wasn't enough to secure them victory.

    This method (sadly) has been tried, and it has failed every time. turning the perpetrators into the very monsters they claimed they were fighting.
    — Tzeentch
    :100: :fire:

    Way too many folks "can't handle the truth!"

    Caedite eos. Novit enim Dominus qui sunt eius. — reportedly spoken by the commander of the Albigensian Crusade, prior to the massacre at Béziers on 22 July 1209
  • Donald Trump (All General Trump Conversations Here)
    A succinctly apt diagnosis of "American Carnage"

    https://thephilosophyforum.com/discussion/comment/847417
  • Culture is critical
    The Trump anomaly is a symptom, not the disease or the cause. All he, as a deeply disturbed individual, wants is attention - all of it, all the time, by any means - and he's getting it whether he succeeds or fails in his aspirations, whether he steals from a city or a charity, whether he keeps a promise to his allies or throws them under buses, whether he gets legislation passed or vetoes it, whether he supports or opposes the constitution, whether he commits misdemeanors, of felonies or treason, whether he faces prosecution or evades it.
    Whether he wants a war - class, civil or foreign - is immaterial. It's going to happen, because that's the inevitable devolution of events from 1963 to the present.
    Trump could never have been able to get the first nomination, had the GOP not reached that level of jingoism, corruption and craven conformity. He could not have stirred up the yahoos at his rallies, had they not already been mustered and enraged by a long line of his predecessors. He could not have squeaked through that election, had the voting procedures not already been fatally compromised by state level tampering.
    Everything, at least from the Kennedy assassination, through the Civil Rights movement and opposition to the Viet Nam war has been leading up to a Trump or something like him. If he drops dead tomorrow, or is incarcerated (as any other citizen with his record would have been, years ago) or withdraws from politics, it will make no difference to the march of events.
    — Vera Mont
    :100: :fire:

    For decades now, I suppose, north of the US border must feel like living above a freaking noisy meth lab. :mask:
  • God, as Experienced, and as Metaphysical Speculation
    So "god" is nothing but a primal euphemism for ego – in other words, a self-serving/flattering delusion (L. Feuerbach)? No wonder it feels "real" to many believers (i.e. symbolizing – idolatrous – primates); facing the inner cave wall, they bark at their own shadows and call that "prayer". Disbelievers, however, seem to concern themselves with the more-than-ego in which their mere egoes are entangled, or inseparable from, called "nature" – the garden that overgrows the graveyard of all idols. For us (i.e. our delusion): study, not worship; courage, not hope.
  • Metaphysics as an Illegitimate Source of Knowledge
    I am not talking about truth-bearing statements but, rather, truth-apt statements, which appear to be different: the former is a proposition which is true, which clearly indicates the need of a truth-maker, and the latter is merely the capacity to be true or false. — Bob Ross
    :roll: You've conjured up a distinction without a difference, Bob

    My point about the confused OP stands:
    https://thephilosophyforum.com/discussion/comment/842289
  • Science is not "The Pursuit of Truth"
    ↪Banno
    Knowledge is fallibilistic, not platonic.
  • The Book of Imperfect Knowledge
    ↪Count Timothy von Icarus
    I already have "imperfect knowledge" so I'd lose much more than I'd gain from the deal. And my memory is limited enough, I don't need to further handicap myself with a "spell" (i.e. curse). Last but not least, I suspect magic – even if there was such a thing – doesn't ever solves more (intractable, impossible) problems than it creates.
  • Israel killing civilians in Gaza and the West Bank
    Who would you prefer babysit your toddler? Israel or Hamas? — RogueAI
    Neither. Both rationalize murdering each other's children.

    More to the point, who would you trust as a nuclear power, Israel or Iran?
    Neither. Both states are run by religious extremists.
  • Donald Trump (All General Trump Conversations Here)
    ↪GRWelsh
    :up:
  • Donald Trump (All General Trump Conversations Here)
    ↪wonderer1
    That's almost always how RICO prosecutions happen, about half plead guilty and some flip getting lesser charges in exchange for turning state's evidence. I wouldn't be surprised if several of the "fake electors" plus Meadows or Guiliani flip soon (before the end of the year). I understand that Fani Willis is aggressively pursuing cooperation from all of the co-defendants and, no doubt, Jack Smith's "J6 Conspiracy" prosecution against Criminal Defendant-1 will be greatly enhanced – like nails in the coffin – by the flippers down in Georgia. :party:
  • Are you against the formation of a techno-optimistic religion?
    ↪Bret Bernhoft
    :roll: IMO, nothing could be more hedonistically anti-Gnostic (contrary to the OP
    ↪180 Proof
    ) than "universal animism" of "technopagan" raves/festivals. :party: :sparkle:
  • Science is not "The Pursuit of Truth"
    Agreed, science pursues knowledge. Knowledge is our most logical way of being concurrent with truth, but cannot assert that it is truth itself. — Philosophim
    :up:
  • Donald Trump (All General Trump Conversations Here)
    Well, that didn't take long – 3 out of 18 dominoes have fallen so far. They're doing the MAGA flip, Donny! :clap: :sweat:

    https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-67174576

  • TPF Quote Cabinet
    ↪javi2541997
    Does Murakami mean "basement 2" is, more or less, where one is broken (one's breaking points) or one's blindspots (denials-in-order-to-cope) or one's traumas (phobias)?
  • Israel killing civilians in Gaza and the West Bank
    ↪Tzeentch
    :up:
  • Science is not "The Pursuit of Truth"
    "Science pursues" testable, provisional knowledge (e.g. abduction). Only sentences are truthbearers.
  • Culture is critical
    ↪universeness
    :lol:
  • Culture is critical
    When the structural elements are riddled with dry rot, I don't waste my time plastering the walls. — Vera Mont
    :up:
  • Donald Trump (All General Trump Conversations Here)
    Hey, MAGA Morons ...

    The "Kraken Lady" has just flipped on your cult leader, Criminal Defendant-1, down in Fulton Co., Georgia. :lol: :up:

    https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2023/oct/19/sidney-powell-guilty-plea-trump-georgia-elections

    That makes 2 out of 18 dominoes to fall so far. :clap:

    update:

  • Culture is critical
    ↪universeness
    Such as who? :roll:
  • Culture is critical
    ↪universeness
    Very improbable, not "immutable". Speculations derived from probabilities may be insightful (e.g. diagnostics, forecasting); however, derived from improbabilities, they are mere fantasies (i.e. wishful thinking). You seem to be stuck on fantasy (à la faith), universeness. :sparkle:
  • Dualism and Interactionism
    Blessed are those who do God's work. — Fooloso4
    https://thephilosophyforum.com/discussion/comment/846860 Amen! :halo:
  • Infinite infinities
    ↪Banno
    :up:
  • Are you against the formation of a techno-optimistic religion?
    ↪Bret Bernhoft
    The second quote attempts to explain the first.
  • Infinite infinities
    ↪Banno
    :smirk:
  • Culture is critical
    ↪universeness
    Rhetoric (imagined pov of AGI). 'Them is us' humans.
  • Dualism and Interactionism
    ↪Fooloso4
    :up: Occasionally, that's my motivation as well.
  • Culture is critical
    ↪universeness
    What "mirror" ... :smirk:
  • Culture is critical
    At our best, I think humans ... — universeness
    ... but mostly, friend, they willingly live like
    dogs
    and sheep. :mask:

    ↪Vera Mont
    :100: I'm convinced @Athena is completely incorrigible on this topic, but I appreciate you also making the case to expose the deeper 'civilizational' rot driving Pax Americana's inexorable decline.
  • Currently Reading
    Apparently lacking the courage of a 'deliberate loser', I'd missed by calling ...

    https://psyche.co/ideas/learning-to-be-a-loser-a-philosophers-case-for-doing-nothing?utm_source=Psyche+Magazine&utm_campaign=78d8097442-EMAIL_CAMPAIGN_2023_06_23&utm_medium=email&utm_term=0_-a9a3bdf830-%5BLIST_EMAIL_ID%5D&fbclid=IwAR3cNftEpT4EMUxsrNGL5tokEGxsPY6vgQdmDvVzK-qJWTgnLLW7h9rEQv8

    :death: :flower:
  • Dualism and Interactionism
    ↪Wayfarer
    In philosophy, what distinguishes, or differentiates, a "higher truth" from a truth? I'm quite familiar with P. Hadot but please put it in your own words based on your own understanding, sir. Thanks.
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