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  • Poll: Evolution of consciousness by natural selection
    Of course modern AI is becoming a necessary tool in neuroscientific experiments, but maybe there is a limit to the extent to which we want AI's to understand us better than we understand ourselves?wonderer1
    Maybe not. Why would we rationally want that?
  • Speculation: Eternalism and the Problem of Evil
    :fire:

    A passive-aggressive front allows you to hide behind the pretence of innocence, even victimhood. Meh. I think your arguments are just poor.Banno
    :up:
  • Culture is critical
    Bottom line The learned belief system for democracy with liberty is- democracy is rule by reason and all citizens need education for good reasoning.Athena
    :roll:
  • Theory of mind, horror and terror.
    I agree with you that I am far more anthropocentric than you are.universeness
    I am not (consciously) "anthropocentric" at all.

    I think by now, you know that I celebrate that difference between us, and I would love to convince you to be less misanthropic than I think you are.
    I'm also not "misanthropic" at all.

    You're special pleading conflates difference of degree with (an unwarranted suggestion of) difference in kind.
  • Donald Trump (All General Trump Conversations Here)
    Jenna Ellis, domino number 4 out 18 (3rd MAGA lawyer in five days) drops –

    https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2023/oct/24/jenna-ellis-plea-deal-trump-georgia-election-case

    – more MAGA flips to come! :clap:
  • Theory of mind, horror and terror.

    Individually, we have done surprisingly well at letting the law or God carry out our vengeance. In groups, we have much less self-control; in mobs, none at all.Vera Mont
    FWIW, I found your meaning perfectly clear. :up:

    I just do not understand how you arrive at that.universeness
    Reread the preceding two-thirds of the sentence in question in order to grok the last third.

    I assumed, that you have previously agreed, that humans create meaning and purpose in ways that no other existent we know of, can or does. Do you disagree with that? 
    We "create meaning and purpose" for ourselves, that's all we "know" – which is merely parochial and anthropocentric – so big whup! Evidently, the universe doesn't care one wit. Copernicus' principle is consistent with Zapffe-Camus' absurd. On a cosmic scale, universeness, the whole of our quarter-milluon year young species is infinitesmal in significance (though that might change ever so slightly with the advent of our "last invention": AGI—>ASI). H. sapiens is only a few footprints in a cosmic surf which postbiomorphs might 'rediscover' as an anomalous fossil worthy of study. Apparently you've repeatedly ignored my stated position: We – all human civilizations – are just a cocoon, mate, not the butterfly. Denial of our manifest cosmic insignificance is, to my mind, religious. :sparkle: :pray: :eyes:
  • Theory of mind, horror and terror.
    How would you respond to a poll question like:

    Ignoring any bias from being one, do you think the universe would be a better place without humans?
    universeness
    It was just fine without human beings during the 13.8 billion years prior to a quarter million years ago so I suspect – consistent with the mediocrity principle – that the universe would be neither worse nor better off without us.

    I am not sure which mammals you are referring to with 'other higher mammals' ...
    I'm referring to
    - primates
    - cetaceans
    - elephantidae
    - (also) "domesticated" canines, felines, etc
  • Are you against the formation of a techno-optimistic religion?
    Maybe the following clarifies the point I tried to make here ...
    (A) taking customary questions and/or answers for granted (i.e. living somnambulantly)

    (B) faith in miraculous answers which we do not know how to question (i.e. living religiously)

    (C) contemplating fundamental questions which we do not know how to answer (i.e. living philosophically)
    Your proposed "optimistic technopaganism", Bret, seems suitable for maximizing (A) & (B) – far more completely than any human religious tradition or mystical practice ever has – at the expense of minimizing / eliminating (C). Ramification of bio-physical law: paths (A & B) of least effort / action, especially when facilitated-amplified by orders of magnitude (re: OP's 'ubiquitious, continuous cognitive automation'), trump any path (C) of more-than-least effort / action; in other words, a species-wide cyber-lobotomy. :eyes:
  • Speculation: Eternalism and the Problem of Evil
    ... it is the soul that gets reincarnated; that thoughts, feelings, the body are not the self.baker
    So some impersonal entity, not me (i.e. not mine-ness), "gets reincarnated"? If that's the case, then I need not care about "the soul" and live as I like (maybe finding a purely immanent, this-worldly basis by which to survive and thrive in the here and now). :fire:
  • Theory of mind, horror and terror.
    ... if we are to survive as a species.NOS4A2
    How collectivist of you ... :mask:
  • Speculation: Eternalism and the Problem of Evil
    Some (@Wayfarer) might say you're already on the "enlightened" path ...
  • What if the big bang singularity is not the "beginning" of existence?
    Given that sound arguments cannot be raised on the following basis, does it ever make sense to 'speculatively interpret' (i.e. philosophically, or categorically, generalize from) falsified or untestable claims about the universe / nature? If so, sir, explain why you think so. Thanks.
  • Theory of mind, horror and terror.
    It seems horror (i.e. cruelty-betrayal, oppression, dispossession, murder) breeds terror (i.e. anxiety-trauma, vengence, resistance, despair). In many regards, including this one, h. sapiens only differ in degree, not in kind, from other higher mammals.

    Individually, we have done surprisingly well at letting the law or God carry out our vengeance. In groups, we have much less self-control; in mobs, none at all.Vera Mont
    :up:
  • God, as Experienced, and as Metaphysical Speculation
    ... the interpretation of the pagan philosophers who acknowledged that there was but one God [Brahman, Dao, Void, Substance] and considered the many gods of traditional religion to be aspects [maya, ten thousand things, atoms, modes] of the one God.Ciceronianus
    :fire:
  • Poll: Evolution of consciousness by natural selection
    "Talk of consciousness is nonsense" (mostly) – folk psychology. "First-person subjective experience" is an intermittent, metacognitive illusion of sufficiently complex physical systems.
  • Culture is critical
    IMO, the (macro) ideological spectrum in the US from "1960" to "1990" ...

    • Progressive/Reform liberalism (center-left/right)

    • Laissez-faire liberalism (conservatives)

    • Illiberalism (reactionaries)

    Since "1990" ...

    • Progressive liberalism (center-left)

    Since "2010" ...

    • Laissez-faire liberalism (conservatives)

    Ergo: today (Weimar-like), center-right knife fighters are pinned-down in a reactionary gunfight.
  • Israel killing civilians in Gaza and the West Bank
    'Antisemitic Zionism' (especially since 1967) brutally oppresses both Palestinians & Israelis ...
  • Culture is critical
    Remember: over seventy million dittoheads & "deplorables" voted for Criminal Defendant-1 (aka "Putin's Bitch" "Agent Orange" "Grifter-in-Chief" "The Biggest Loser" etc) in 2020. IMO, "political Ideology" on both sides had little to nothing to do with that election. :mask:

    The overweight undereducated white men are terrified of losing their ascendancy; many white people are afraid of becoming submerged in a population of darker hues; many urban people are afraid of replacement by automated modern industry; many rural people are afraid of becoming outmoded, irrelevant. Any far-right figurehead who assures them that they are important, valued, worthy of ruling the world the way they imagine they used to, will be followed.Vera Mont
    No doubt, they'd rather burn down the American Republic than share it with the descendants of those whom their ancestors had once murderously stole it from and savagely enslaved in order to build it. A reckoning – it's only a matter of time. I vividly recall driving past a billboard on a rural Tennessee stretch of US Interstate in the summer of 2016 that read: "Make America White Again". Chilling, not surprising. And the trend lines since, according to (e.g.) the FBI's hate crimes / domestic terrorism statistics and exploding gun-ammunition sales, have not been encouraging ...

    (found it)
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  • What if the big bang singularity is not the "beginning" of existence?
    Consider this equation-free gloss on the Hartle-Hawking No-Boundary proposal (alternative to BB cosmology) ...

    https://science.howstuffworks.com/dictionary/famous-scientists/physicists/stephen-hawking3.htm#:~:text=Hawking%20likened%20his%20no%2Dboundary,you%20reach%20the%20South%20Pole.

    In sum: modern cosmology accounts only for the development of the universe and, in its quantum gravity formulation, calls into question that it had a "beginning" (or that the BB was "the beginning of space and time"). Just as the Earth has no "edge", the universe might have had no beginning-point (i.e. "singularity") according to James Hartle, Stephen Hawking et al.
  • Order from Disorder
    @Pantagruel – Just as I suspected, you're just making up shit (i.e pseudo-science aka "alternative facts"). :shade:
  • Israel killing civilians in Gaza and the West Bank
    An American-Israeli Jew tells it like it is on the ground (re: ethnic cleansing, occupation, apartheid & US supported-collective punishment / atrocities against Palestinian civilians)


    On Gaza, Israel's "open-air concentration camp" and breeding ground for (Israel/Bibi-created) Hamas ...
  • Order from Disorder
    So is it or is it not an "open question"? If it is, cite some sources.
  • Order from Disorder
    An "open question" for whom?
  • Israel killing civilians in Gaza and the West Bank
    The majority of Jewish people in the diaspora and in Israel for a long time have favored a two-state solution ... it's a national question, it's a land question. This is also the expressed view of the United States Congress, of American Jewry, of the United Nations, of the European Union ... and of the Palestinian Liberation Organization. It's what the majority of people involved in this dispute want. Why can't they get what we all want? Why is it made impossible? Because in both communities the veto is held by 'the party of God' ... — Christopher Hitchens, 2009
    ... messianic Jewish settlers & Hamas.

  • Speculation: Eternalism and the Problem of Evil
    Well, the ancient dharmic bias for moksha ("oblivion") is obvious, no? I ain't scared of Bodhisattva sages' just-so "horror" stories of bardo – I should have written 'at the moment of death' instead. Besides, apotheosis (Nietzschean or, better yet, Spinozist) is my jam, Wayf. :fire:
  • Donald Trump (All General Trump Conversations Here)
    Yeah, I voted her in 2020 while I still lived in Atlanta. I was quite impressed (and bored enough from the quarantine to watch a tv local program on) her bio. My only regret is that I'm now living in Washington (Pacific NW) and no longer eligible for the Fulton County jury pool. Almost certainly I'd be stricken because of my years as a paralegal, bank auditor and/or (leftwing) political activist in the 80s-90s, but still I wish I had the chance to try to dumb myself down enough to survive voir dire. :mask:
  • Speculation: Eternalism and the Problem of Evil
    Maybe the only 'free' choice one ever makes is made at death (bardo?) either to relive one's life – travel again along one's worldline – or oblivion. Every death always culminates in the same either-or: replay the dvd or erase it. How many times could one endure one's existence, regardless of how much or little one has suffered and how high or low one's joys? Maybe oblivion is inevitable sooner or later. Maybe something like 'godhood' (à la Epicurus' gods) is attained by reliving one's exact same life endlessly. No resurrection, no reincarnation; instead a Nietzschean eternal return "beyond good and evil" (i.e. affirming both joys and sorrows)! Amor fati.

    :death: :flower:
  • Order from Disorder
    Decreases in local disorder (aka "negentropy") accelerate increasing global disorder.
  • God, as Experienced, and as Metaphysical Speculation
    Eternity [is] not before time temporally because it is the absence of time.Gregory
    Suppose eternity is the ocean and time (i.e. our spacetime) is a wave on the ocean's surface ... Not "the absence of time" but rather eternity is the whole of all times (e.g. block universe, the bulk, true vacuum). :chin:
  • Metaphysics as an Illegitimate Source of Knowledge
    Let's take one of your previous examples (of a philosophical statement that you say is non-propositional): "Consciousness is fundamental to reality"^^. Are you saying that, in principle, that statement is not truth-apt?Bob Ross
    "In principle" there is not any fact of the matter that can make the statement true. At most, it's a supposition expressed (confusedly) in a declarative, or categorical, form (as philosophers are wont to do).

    ^^Consciousness is fundamental reality.

    Are you, likewise, saying it is a non-cognitive statement?
    Yes, of course.
  • Israel killing civilians in Gaza and the West Bank
    Netanyahu helped create Hamas, just like the US helped create Al Qaeda, ISIS, etc.

    He used Hamas specifically to sabotage the PLO to avoid having serious talks about two-state solutions and other peace plans.

    [ ... ]

    The US committed de facto genocide in Vietnam, and it wasn't enough to secure them victory.

    This method (sadly) has been tried, and it has failed every time. turning the perpetrators into the very monsters they claimed they were fighting.
    Tzeentch
    :100: :fire:

    Way too many folks "can't handle the truth!"

    Caedite eos. Novit enim Dominus qui sunt eius. — reportedly spoken by the commander of the Albigensian Crusade, prior to the massacre at Béziers on 22 July 1209
  • Culture is critical
    The Trump anomaly is a symptom, not the disease or the cause. All he, as a deeply disturbed individual, wants is attention - all of it, all the time, by any means - and he's getting it whether he succeeds or fails in his aspirations, whether he steals from a city or a charity, whether he keeps a promise to his allies or throws them under buses, whether he gets legislation passed or vetoes it, whether he supports or opposes the constitution, whether he commits misdemeanors, of felonies or treason, whether he faces prosecution or evades it.
    Whether he wants a war - class, civil or foreign - is immaterial. It's going to happen, because that's the inevitable devolution of events from 1963 to the present.
    Trump could never have been able to get the first nomination, had the GOP not reached that level of jingoism, corruption and craven conformity. He could not have stirred up the yahoos at his rallies, had they not already been mustered and enraged by a long line of his predecessors. He could not have squeaked through that election, had the voting procedures not already been fatally compromised by state level tampering.
    Everything, at least from the Kennedy assassination, through the Civil Rights movement and opposition to the Viet Nam war has been leading up to a Trump or something like him. If he drops dead tomorrow, or is incarcerated (as any other citizen with his record would have been, years ago) or withdraws from politics, it will make no difference to the march of events.
    Vera Mont
    :100: :fire:

    For decades now, I suppose, north of the US border must feel like living above a freaking noisy meth lab. :mask: