Why can't we know there are no gods? :chin:We can't know there are no gods — Tom Storm
:yikes: wtf ...I struggle to understand how you fail to see that The Trinity, centuries before QM, claimed the superposition of three entities, one of them flesh and blood. — ucarr
I agree. We (TPF) benefit from both discussions and creative expressions.What it means for an individual's sense of wellbeing if their beliefs are overturned. Personal, psychological and political. [ ... ] The short stories and fiction can raise philosophical questions in a more creative, perhaps acceptable way ... — Amity
:cool: Yes, I'd prefer a picaresque novel to a strictly progressive, bildungsroman-like form. Besides, I still have no plan for exactly where or how the characters go on.I think it would work really well as an 'episode' in a novel of linked short stories.
:blush: Thanks. I inagine there are other versions or interpretations of "the mythology" which probably have implications for other events or folk beliefs elsewhere in the setting. I still haven't decided whether or not the Old Man is a reliable narrator.The mythology is interesting, though I don't quite follow all of it. There is some wonderful description and imagery. — Vera Mont
If it's an anthology instead of a novel, then "the adventures" (or "episodes") need not follow a linear plotline in sequential order. Maybe (a tighter) "Good Stew" is a flashback of the heroine years later during a lull in one of her "adventures" (as a frame). I'd have to write a few more, I think, before the shape of an overall tale – metaplot? – will suggest its structure.I can definitely see this in a larger context - I suppose the novel would have to be about the adventures of the heroine and her mercenary, so this would be at the beginning.
Sure, but that's okay. I prefer characters who are essentially passive (or absent) to be named but two conversing protagonists, especially ones who are also quite familiar with one another, to be unnamed unless one of them calls the other by name (e.g. for emphasis). A (Beckettian) quirk I'm guilty of in other stories of mine.Is that nit-picking?
:up: I'm also a Glen Cook fan. If you've read him, what do you think of Joe Ambercrombie? His hardboiled, gritty fantasy seems like a blend of Black Company & Game of Thrones.I've been rereading the Black Company because I think Cook does a good job at this, even though his story and setting are much less complex. — Count Timothy von Icarus
"Good" -- for what? How about: "darkness" is good for seeing the stars, or good for sleeping, or good for prey avoiding predators, or good for cooling-off desert fauna & flora, or good for (many forms of) mysticism, or good for vampires (& goths) ...I might ask, is it possible that darkness could ever be considered good? — chiknsld
With respect to the quotes above, I referred explicitly to your groundless notions (e.g. "super-nature", "causal non-closure of the universe", "instantaneous communication", "cosmic sentience", etc) and not to your "argument" as such; "not even false" is, more or less, synonymous with (or implies) "unintelligible word-salad".I did not claim or imply that your "argument is unintelligible"; rather that the implication of 'compatibility of your supernaturalism with fundamental conservation laws' is not even false.
— 180 Proof
Your pseudo-scientistic supernaturalism, ucarr, is unintelligible – mostly word-salad – to me.
— 180 Proof
How do you reconcile the two above quotes? — ucarr
I'm confident, Bret, it's rejected as woo woo by most (almost all) scientists. :mask:In a previous portion of this thread, the energy was referred to as "Kundalini" from ancient Hindu traditions. Which is most certainly known of by science. But would be rejected as "woo woo" by most materialists. — Bret Bernhoft
One need merely say 'Tübingen Seminary' to understand what German philosophy is at bottom: an insidious theology. The Swabians are the best liars in Germany: they lie innocently. — Friedrich Nietzsche, 1888
Heidegger lies notoriously always and everywhere and wherever he can. — Hannah Arendt (1950ish)
One can forgive many Germans but there are some Germans it is difficult to forgive. It is difficult to forgive Heidegger. — Emmanuel Levinas, 1974
Empty space is a kind / state of space which, having a property (empty or non-empty), is not nothing.[W]hat is the difference between empty space and nothing? — NotAristotle
Entanglement =/= "instant communication" (or communication of any kind).If paired-particles are instant communication across unspecified distance, that range exceeds the measureable space within a physically closed universe. — ucarr
I did not claim or imply that your "argument is unintelligible"; rather that the implication of 'compatibility of your supernaturalism with fundamental conservation laws' is not even false.This argument might be false, as suggested by your specific counter-narrative; it is not unintelligible.
I have asked you to physically square the supernaturalistic circle, so to speak, and you've not done that. If I was merely "dismissing ... as fiction", then I wouldn't have asked you for a speculative account that is at least consistent with known physics. Your pseudo-scientistic supernaturalism, ucarr, is unintelligible – mostly word-salad – to me. Regardless of whether or not I'm guilty of "naturalist monism", my objection to your claim of "causal non-closure of the universe" is physical (i.e. theoretical-observational), not yet metaphysical (i.e. a categorical interpretation of physical theory), because to begin with you get the known physics wrong (re: "Does entropy exist?") As far as I'm concerned, sir, you might as well be speculating (in pseudo-scientistic terms) on the physics of "Middle-Earth" (Arda) instead. :sparkle: :eyes:Since you're dismissing the metaphysics of my super-naturalistic universe as fiction — ucarr
:100:The supernatural? If so, that's just not good enough! For many many reasons, including the fact that the supernatural or super-nature or god, are unfalsifiable proposals. — universeness
Yeah, I agree, especially (for me) the Cārvāka, Advaita Vedanta & (heretical) Theravāda traditions. :up:The amount of wisdom [insights] that can be sussed out from the Hindu traditions is mind boggling. — Bret Bernhoft
:sparkle: Oh....A good word for it is "Kundalini". — Bret Bernhoft
Such as? :chin:There are obviously forms of energy that strict materialists don't embrace. — Bret Bernhoft
Non sequitur again. A further example of us talking past each other – I'm talking about the problematic implications of your speculative claims with respect to known physics and you're talking about what metaphysics you surmise is implied by my objections to your supernaturalistic (i.e. substance dualist) metaphysics. We're at an impasse, ucarr, so long as your 'transcendent speculations' do not account (at least to my philosophical satisfaction) for the / any known constraints of physical laws on the observable (post-planck era) universe.If it's incorrect to consider your acceptable universe an example of naturalist monism, then please explain why. — ucarr
:clap: :up:I'm sure there are many fantastic arguments in the world against materialism, but I suspect they mostly come from people who [don't] know what materialists think. — flannel jesus
:100:In fact, religion limits [retards] moral development. — praxis
I don't know.Is causally closed somewhere in the neighborhood of necessarily closed? — ucarr
I don't know.Is speculative, causal, non-closure in the neighborhood of necessarily open?
You tell me, ucarr. The term "cosmic sentience" seems to me oxymoronic.Do you think my supposed quest for a necessarily open universe is a quest for establishment of cosmic sentience?
Yes, either net increase or net decrease.Do you think a causally open universe implies an increase of mass_energy that violates the 1st law of thermodynamics?
No.Do you think a causally closed universe entails a partially deterministic universe?
I've no idea. Inconsistent (i.e. theoretically incompatible with fundamental physics).Conjecturing a causally open universe that is transcendent non-ontically, what do you imagine such a universe would look like structurally speaking? Would it be consistent with conservation?
No.Do you see that one implication of your statements is that atheism is predicated upon a monist metaphysics?
I think substance dualism (i.e. "mass-energy / spirit") is inconsistent – theoretically incompatible – with fundamental conservation laws and the principle of causal closure in physics.Do you see that an implication of monist metaphysics is that the metaphysics of theism, with its dualism of mass_energy/spirit, propounds a false binary?
No.Are you asking how an open network of subsystems configures conservation within its domain? — ucarr
Yes.Do you perceive a conflict between conservation and and something implied by an open network of subsystems?
I'm talking about known physics and, as far as I'm concerned, you are not.What does it mean to talk past someone?
N/AWhy should not the general public talk about the concept "universe"?
I think you're claiming that the universe is not causally closed and therefore the effect of 'some ontologically transcendent cause'.What did you think I was saying about the concept "universe"?
I was interested in your 'speculative causal non-closure' which is inconsistent with the fundamental conservation laws of physics.Why was your impression of what I might be saying about the concept "universe" of interest to you?
What are the grounds to "wonder what happens"? Sleeping is real, ergo (at least that aspect of) "reality" happens.I wonder what happens to reality when we sleep. — Cidat
