• Morality as Cooperation Strategies is complementary to consequentialism
    It seems like we'd be better off with the ten commandments because they are less ambiguous.Andrew4Handel
    Only 4 out of 613 "Commandments" concern morality, which are not unique to any 'peoples' at any time, so this statement doesn't make much sense.
  • Philosophy Is Comedy
    :smirk:
    Life is too important to be taken seriously. — Oscar Wilde

    Well, for me, philosophy is inherently absurdist rather than comedic (even though most philosophizers are clowns).
  • Emergence
    The continuous is made up of the discrete. It's the discrete that seems to be fundamental and not the continuous. Any 'flow' or excitation like a vibration, is a physical combinatorial. I include all energy forms when I use the word 'physical here.universeness
    I'm afraid, my friend, your learned patience is probably wasted on them like rain on a Japanese dry garden.
  • Is Atheism Significant Only to Theists?
    An irreligious theist.

    Ergo, atheism can't say of itself that it's a lack of belief, oui?Agent Smith
    I'm saying atheism amounts to a belief about theism – that 'beliefs about god/s' are not true – and is not itself a 'god-belief'.
  • OpenAI chat on Suicide and Yukio Mishima
    Btw, I don't know why, but I'm not so impressed by these machine learning tricks. When OpenAi starts asking questions of the answers it gives like "Why would Yukio Mishima, or any human being, prefer physical and cultural purity?", we'll know more than powerful parallel search-composition algorithms are at work.
  • Emergence
    @universeness @Agent Smith
    Physical nature is analogue, despite "Planck's quanta". Quanta are mental analogies to gaps in our knowledge of holistic physical systems.Gnomon
    :scream: :yikes: :rofl:

    I have very little knowledge of the subject and in fact, about Physics, in general.Alkis Piskas
    If this is so, then why do you bother making such a fundamental claim about the physical world based on "very little knowledge" such as
    But the physical universe is analogue, not digital.Alkis Piskas
    :roll:

    :up: :up: (The lack of science literacy on display here is stunning, isn't it?)
  • Is Atheism Significant Only to Theists?
    I've mentioned neither "all theists" nor "Christian theology", so I fail to see the relevance of your remarks with respect to mine.
  • Emergence
    But the physical universe is analogue, not digital.Alkis Piskas
    So you dispute Planck's quanta? How pre-1900 of you, AP.
  • Is Atheism Significant Only to Theists?
    The claims of the "new atheists" (I haven't read them) seem directed more to religious institutions than to proving there is no God, but I may be wrong. Those I think are fair gameCiceronianus
    :up:
  • What happened to the Weltanschauung thread?
    Last I checked, Pyrrhonism was in and of itself a weltanschauung and my agnosticism dovetails into it.Agent Smith
    And yet ataraxia (or wu wei) and eudaimonia eludes you, amigo. Maybe your skepticism is postmodern (or Gorgiasian) rather than Pyrrhonian?
  • Emergence
    Btw, I enjoyed The Matrix (only the first movie) as shallow, comic bookish gnosticism, not really a riff on Bostrom's digital update of Plato's Cave. Like e.g. Carlo Rovelli, David Deutsch, Seth Lioyd and Stephen Wolfram, I think the 'laws of nature' are computable even though the universe – like the brain – is not a "computer" (ergo, without some intentional agent aka "programmer").
  • Emergence
    No I don't. IMO, @Gnomon hasn't made a logically valid or conceptually coherent case for his "ideas". This is why I question them.
  • Emergence
    Well, don't hold me to this, but I probably won't respond again until @Gnomon addresses the questions I've put to him. That Gnomon can't, I believe, confirms in the context of this philosophy site that he is, in fact, a pseudo-philosophizing charlatan – a crypto-aristotlean fantasist who copy & pastes out of context passages from mostly derivative science writings – whose self-proclaimed "Enformationism, BothAnd & Meta-Physics" are based on his miles wide and barely an inch deep incomprehension of both philosophy and science (which quite a few other members have constructively pointed out to him over the years). I like to rodeo clown bulls***, ... though Gnomon is probably one who will get away.

    @Agent Smith
  • Is Atheism Significant Only to Theists?
    An atheist simply lacks a theistic worldview. S/he might, however, have a 'Platonic worldview' or 'Buddhistic worldview' or 'animistic worldview' ... Just as bald is not a hair color, atheism is not a belief about g/G (color) but about theism (hair).

    :fire:
  • Is Atheism Significant Only to Theists?
    [R]eligion generally is not what causes wars.T Clark
    True. And yet "Gott mit uns".
  • Is Atheism Significant Only to Theists?
    Yeah, he clearly wasn't just a (positive) atheist. Spinozism, I think, is much more consistent with both acosmism (sub specie aeternitatis) and pandeism (sub specie durationis) than with "pantheism", etc.
  • Is Atheism Significant Only to Theists?
    Flat earthers "disagree" that Earth is round. Just sayin' ...
  • Is Atheism Significant Only to Theists?
    atheistic worldviewT Clark
    There's no such squared circle.
  • Is Atheism Significant Only to Theists?
    What about the category of ‘the sacred’? Is that also rejected?Wayfarer
    Not necessarily. Spinoza categorizes logic (i.e. laws of nature / natura naturans) as "divine" and understanding logic this way (via scientia intuitiva) as "blessedness". As a naturalist freethinker, this interpretation of "the sacred" appeals to me.

    Name names. Which TPF members do you think "aggressively attack religious beliefs and show disrespect for religious institutions ... not passive ... self-righteous and bitter ... clearly are reacting to bad experiences with religion in their youth"?
  • Is Atheism Significant Only to Theists?
    Theism is significant to many atheists because too many damn theists proselytize and/or inject magical thinking – superstitions – into their explanations or arguments, even in nonreligious contexts (e.g. politics, commerce, science, ethics). Mostly, atheism is an intrinsic threat to theism because it is always a live option for (thinking) theists like potential defectors from a blinkered, totalitarian regime.

    I sometimes reflect on the asymmetry between atheism and theism.Wayfarer
    The asymmetry is conspicuous. On one hand, every theist is also an atheist with respect to deities s/he rejects whereas atheists consistently reject all deities (at least for the reason the theist inconsistently reject all but one / some). And on the other hand, in the modern era, atheism is a second-order belief that 'theism is not true' whereas theism is a first-order belief that 'g/G is real'. Practical & theoretical asymmetries, respectively.
  • Emergence
    @universeness
    In Enformationism, Information = Energy = Work = CausationGnomon
    Had I been putting words in your mouth, sir, you'd be making more sense with far fewer incoherent and inconsistent statements. For instance, in this post exchange below from last year you babbled at me that "information is non-physical", yet now you claim "information" is also equivalent to physical processes such as both "work" & "energy".
    Physical change is called "Work". Mental change is called "Information". In the human brain, Mental Work burns a lot of energy, even though the Brain does not change its physical form.
    — Gnomon

    Explain why a physical brain physically "burns a lot of" physical "energy" (i.e. calories) if, as you suggest, "Information" is not "Work". Oh, btw, the human brain functions by constantly changing its neuronal configurations (re: neuroplasticity) that encode *wait for it, wait for it* new information (i.e. updating current information —> memories, expectations, predictions, feelings, learning-conditioning, etc).
    180 Proof
    I don't misunderstand you, Gnomon; you're honestly confused and incorrigible. However, feel free to disabuse me by addressing the following

    https://thephilosophyforum.com/discussion/comment/776449 :wink:

    :up:
  • Emergence
    @Agent Smith
    The laws of physics are human interpretations of what humans scientifically observe, but that does not mean that they necessarily, fully describe, the REALITY of the universe. I accept that, and I agree with that, but that does not mean we should therefore give succour to much much less reliable posits, such as those offered by theism or theosophists.universeness
    ... or idealists/antirealist. :clap: :up:

    As one of the founders of quantum computing David Deutsch says (I paraphrase), 'The laws of physics enable our brains to generate ideas about the laws of physics such as quantum theory.' In other words, reality enables and constrains ideality (i.e. idealizations of reality), and not Gnomon's ass-backwards other way around.180 Proof
  • Emergence
    Gnomon is not qualified to critique the video : What If Physics IS NOT Describing Reality?.Gnomon
    Yes, no doubt, and this is why I addressed that video to others instead of you. Btw ...
    https://thephilosophyforum.com/discussion/comment/776449 :yawn:
  • Morality as Cooperation Strategies is complementary to consequentialism
    Two simple forms of consequentialism are [ ... ] They are silent about the ‘means’ by which well-being is to be increased or suffering minimized.Mark S
    I think the categorical goal implies, or constrains, every hypothetical means. To wit: reducing 'suffering' by any means which does not increase or exacerbate 'suffering'; increasing 'well-being' by any means which does not descrease or impair 'well-being'. "MACS" is possibly one such "means" in either case depending on, I think, how it is practiced with respect to 'minimizing suffering' or 'maximizing well-being'.
  • OpenAI chat on Suicide and Yukio Mishima
    Interesting.

    I have always thought that Mishima's seppuku, in spite of himself, symbolized the futility – 'nostalgia' (Camus) – of modern Japanese longing for a pre/anti-modern "traditional Japan". A failure to imagine how to incorporate the best of the cultural past into contemporary culture. Thus, the artist consummated his life in a spectacularly desperate act of anachronistic beauty. Purely absurd. :death: :flower:
  • Atheism and Lack of belief
    I feel sorry for you that that the act of abandoning religion left you unable to find joy/meaning in your life. But that is on you.EricH
    Boom! :100:
  • Emergence
    Gnomon seeks to find common ground between science and the esoteric and I think there is none. But am I making an incorrect judgement of what Gnomon is positinguniverseness
    Whatever he's posited, that's the implication. It's unintelligible New Agery to me.
  • Socrates and Platonic Forms
    Plato’s metaphysics is not systematic. It is problematic. It raises questions it cannot answer and problems that cannot be resolved.Fooloso4
    :fire: It's going to take me some time to think through the labyrinth of your post.
  • Biggest Puzzles in Philosophy
    My "puzzle" ...
    (yin) the impossible is X
    (yang) the unthinkable is Y
  • Ends justifying the means. Good or bad.
    You've lost the plot, amigo. "Good / bad" – ends don't justify means.

    https://thephilosophyforum.com/discussion/comment/777050