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  • Donald Trump (All General Trump Conversations Here)
    DJT is vox populi! — 180 Proof
  • US Election 2024 (All general discussion)
    6November24

    Yesterday more Americans chose rather than rejected tyranny. To wit:

    make Apartheid great again
    make Antisemitism great again
    make Anti-women great again
    make Anti-immigrants great again
    make Anti-labor great again
    make Anti-intellect great again
    make Anti-democracy great again
    make Above-the-Law great again
    make Assholery great again ...

    prevails – 'DJT is vox populi!' – the culmination of the last half-century of bipartian Neoliberal de-industrialization – 'It's the structurally exploitative-systematically discriminatory Plutonomy, stupid!' – aided and abetted by corporatist Reality TV, WWE & Social Media which has groomed (radicalized) the precariat for reactionary populism???

    Fuck me.
  • US Election 2024 (All general discussion)
    https://thephilosophyforum.com/discussion/comment/944859

    @180 Proof? — Mikie
    I was wrong. :zip:
  • Donald Trump (All General Trump Conversations Here)
    Wishful thinking? TBD. — 180 Proof
    Damn. I was very wrong. :zip:
  • Withdrawal is the answer to most axiological problems concerning humans
    ↪schopenhauer1
    :rofl:
  • US Election 2024 (All general discussion)
    I really wonder on what people base their predictions ... — Tobias
    :wink: Follow me down these rabbit holes to Wonderland, my friend ..

    https://thephilosophyforum.com/discussion/comment/944276
  • Withdrawal is the answer to most axiological problems concerning humans
    ↪schopenhauer1
    Well, since you've ignored my post in your other recent thread ...

    https://thephilosophyforum.com/discussion/comment/944417

    ... it's no big loss. Oh, btw, try some philosophizing yourself for a change. :smirk:
  • Donald Trump (All General Trump Conversations Here)
    ↪Relativist
    :up:
  • Withdrawal is the answer to most axiological problems concerning humans
    ↪schopenhauer1
    :yawn:
    [M]any of us, most of us, don't see the world and relationships this way. This is your personal, idiosyncratic reaction to your own personal idiosyncratic problems and your solution is your personal, idiosyncratic solution. Doctoring it up with Schopenhauer doesn't change that. — T Clark
    :up: :up:
  • Donald Trump (All General Trump Conversations Here)
    5Roevember24 :victory: :mask:

    YOU WILL GO TO PRISON, DIAPER DON – your sentencing in NYC is scheduled for 26 November. More state indictments pending. Federal trials will resume next Spring. Appeals of both civil judgments in NY will fail also by Spring 2025. No doubt your knuckle-dragging, gun-happy cult of MAGA morons (wannabe "brown shirts") will fuck around and find out (I suspect "Dark Brandon" – fortified by SCOTUS' wingnut "presidential immunity" – will not show much mercy if it comes to that). Karma. :fire:

    Wishful thinking? TBD.
  • US Election 2024 (All general discussion)
    ↪Baden
    :sweat:

    https://thephilosophyforum.com/discussion/comment/942675
  • US Election 2024 (All general discussion)
    A republic, if you can keep it. — Benjamin Franklin, 17 September 1787
    In America on the ballot today there is a simple, yet fateful question: FOR TYRANNY (Trump-Vance) OR AGAINST TYRANNY (Harris-Walz)?

    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/On_Tyranny

    Roevember is here! :fire: :party: :hearts:
  • Deep Songs

    "In The Heat Of The Night" (2:30)
    Soundtrack, 1967
    music Quincy Jones, d. 2024
    lyrics A. Bergman & M. Bergman
    singer Ray Charles
  • US Election 2024 (All general discussion)
    [ ... ] I have no problem understanding why people follow Trump, regardless of his behavior. People are more stupid than they think and it demands effort to always be vigil of your own biases. These people have no such abilities and thus are open to a total annihilation of their inner agency, making them into zealots and drones. — Christoffer
    :100:
  • US Election 2024 (All general discussion)
    Addendum to.
    https://thephilosophyforum.com/discussion/comment/944276

    WHETHER THE MAGA CIRCUS LIKES IT OR NOT, WE'RE GOING TO REJECT THE CLOWN. :mask:

    >>> Roevember 1
  • Existential Self-Awareness
    Does having the capacity for existential self-awareness imply anything further than this fact? — schopenhauer1
    Only that it is possible either to be or not to be 'existentially self-aware' ...

    That is to say, does a species of animal(s) that has the ability to conceptually "know" that it exists, entail anything further, in any axiological way?
    I suppose that such a species would value immortality-projects (i.e. fetishes / technologies) higher than any other – probably as the basis of all other – values.
  • US Election 2024 (All general discussion)
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    ↪Benkei
    :up: :up:
  • US Election 2024 (All general discussion)
    ↪Paine
    :up:
  • US Election 2024 (All general discussion)
    3Roevember24

    ↪Baden
    :smirk:

    ↪Manuel
    Consider these 'more grounded' (re: historical-social context) guesstimates:

    https://www.forbes.com/sites/dereksaul/2024/10/11/why-this-highly-accurate-market-based-election-indicator-seems-to-be-predicting-a-kamala-harris-win/

    https://www.scrippsnews.com/politics/america-votes/historian-allan-lichtman-standing-by-harris-victory-prediction-despite-polling

    https://fortune.com/2024/11/03/presidential-poll-iowa-selzer-donald-trump-warning-kamala-harris-surge-midwest-blue-wall/

    addenda to
    https://thephilosophyforum.com/discussion/comment/934008

    nota bene:
    Consider this recent article on how easily "betting markets" are manipulated ...
    https://insights.som.yale.edu/insights/dont-trust-the-political-prediction-markets
    — 180 Proof

    Roevember is here! :victory: :smile:

    @Mikie @Wayfarer @Benkei @Shawn @Count Timothy von Icarus
  • Israel killing civilians in Gaza and the West Bank
    Addendum to
    https://thephilosophyforum.com/discussion/comment/937315 (re: zionfascism)

    My father always said, 'The Zionists love Israel and hate Jews.' — Esther Farmer, A Land With a People: Palestinians and Jews Confront Zionism
    :mask:
  • US Election 2024 (All general discussion)
    There would only be a freakout if your prediction of Harris winning the popular vote by nine points or so and a blue tsunami carrying her to a landslide [blowout] victory is correct. That's not going to happen though. — Baden
    :smirk:

    https://thephilosophyforum.com/discussion/comment/934008 :victory:

    >>> Roevember 2
  • Why Religion Exists
    ↪I like sushi
    The OP concerns "why religion exists", not what is the origin, development and/or consequences of "altered states of consciousness" (e.g. religious experiences). My excerpts are links (via usename) to prior thread discussions in order to prompt / tease with sketches other (e.g. cognitive) ways of thinking about the topic.
  • Why Religion Exists
    Why Religion Exists ... — ContextThinker
    I think (your) "Evolutionary Coping Mechanism" overstates the case with an underdeveloped "theory". Consider the following old threads:

    (2021) The why and origins of Religion ...
    Magical thinking. 'Making shit up' is far easier than struggling to find out what is and is not the case. The brains of h. sapiens are adapted for survival and not truths; therefore [ ... ] — 180 Proof
    (2022) Roots of religion ...
    We're natural beings. Paths of least resistance constitute the regularities – processes – of nature. Making shit up (versus figuring shit out) is a path of least cognitive resistance [ ... ] — 180 Proof
  • US Election 2024 (All general discussion)
    The cognitive dissonance is going to be so extreme when Trump wins. Even for the government itself. — Shawn
    Well I can't wait for the cognitive dissonance freakout here on this thread when Harris-Walz wins (possibly declared as soon as next Wednesday night). :wink:

    >>> Roevember 4
  • Donald Trump (All General Trump Conversations Here)
    1Roevember24

    Someone ought to tell Diaper Don that even God won't be able save him the next time from Dick Cheney. :sweat:

    https://www.cnn.com/2024/11/01/politics/donald-trump-liz-cheney-war-hawk-battle/index.html
  • US Election 2024 (All general discussion)
    Today in Trumpenfreude :mask:

    Trump is up 65% to 35% in the betting markets (which have a solid track record) and ahead in swing state polling. If he outperforms his polling like he did in the last elections he will win all the swing states and it's even conceivable he could win the popular vote (hell, it's within the margin of error for some polls). — Count Timothy von Icarus
    :rofl:

    Consider this recent article on how easily "betting markets" are manipulated ...
    https://insights.som.yale.edu/insights/dont-trust-the-political-prediction-markets

    @Baden @Mikie @Benkei

    Addendum to
    https://thephilosophyforum.com/discussion/comment/940625



    >>> Roevember 5 :victory:
  • US Election 2024 (All general discussion)
    29Octubre24



    ¡Se acerca el 5 de Roeviembre! :victory: :flower:
  • Evidence of Consciousness Surviving the Body
    Why don't they kill themselves? They're telling us death is nothing to be afraid of and benefits us hugely....yet they seem reluctant to die. Actions speak louder than words. — Clearbury
    :up: :up:

    https://thephilosophyforum.com/discussion/comment/916613

    @Sam26 :eyes:
  • US Election 2024 (All general discussion)
    ↪Paine
    :up:
  • Evidence of Consciousness Surviving the Body
    Although I believe in life after death, I think NDEs are not good evidence for it. They seem better explained as dreams. — Clearbury
    When I am unconscious I am not non-existent. I exist, but I am just not conscious. So 'consciousness' and 'a person' are not equivalent. My quibble, then, is that it is persons or minds (I use the terms interchangeably) who survive death, not 'consciousness' (consiousness is something persons have, but it is not what a person 'is').
    :up: :up:

    The main difference is that they can be corroborated by others who were there. — Sam26
    :roll: In other words, there was no "NDE" just a non-ordinary experience of a living person that is misattributed by her and then on rare occasions circumstantially corroborated by other living persons (e.g. like sober witnesses to a black-out drunk's shenanigans). Of course, forensically, eyewitness testimony² like introspection¹ is usually unreliable as evidence.

    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Introspection_illusion [1]

    https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC5544328/ [2]
  • Donald Trump (All General Trump Conversations Here)
    ↪Benkei
    :100:

    I'd expect that the situation would be more likely than ever to search for simple solutions to the complex problems. — Relativist
    :up: :up:
  • US Election 2024 (All general discussion)
    ↪Paine
    IMO, such flagrantly racist stupidity this close to election day is only going to help Harris-Walz & congressional candidates (particularly in PA & FL).
  • US Election 2024 (All general discussion)
    ↪Benkei
    I've only been in the election prediction game since 2016.

    That June, after the way the DNC & Obama had systematically undermined Bernie Sanders in the primaries, I had predicted that the only way HRC could lose such a "rigged campaign" was to suppress – demoralize – her own voters by being the shitty candidate that she was. Well, she did just that – 20% fewer Dems showed up to vote for her than in 2012 for Obama – by not campaigning that Fall in the three Midwestern swing states – won in both 2008 & 2012 by Obama – which decided the election by .07% ... The polls weren't "wrong": the candidate favored to win had arrogantly thrown the fucking election (NB: "Russian interference", "Jim Comey reopening investigation of the email scandal", "misogynistic Bernie Bros" & "fucking Jill Stein") had nothing to do with it).

    Notice how Biden in 2020 and Harris this year have focussed like a laser beam on midwestern swing states. Also, The Clown himself and candidates he's endorsed have lost general elections (2020), special elections (2017, 2019, 2021, 2023) & midterm elections (2018, 2022) – MAGA is a ethnonationalist populist cult of 30-40% of the electorate and The Clown has been hemorrhaging pro-business GOP & suburban college educated white women since 2021 which made up 5-7% more (transactional) support in 2016 & 2020 (c47% each election). I'll be very surprised if The Clown gets more than 42% of voters this time.
  • US Election 2024 (All general discussion)
    280ctober24

    Harris-Walz needs 41 electors (in addition to the 229 electors from the solidly "Blue" states the campaign begins with) to reach 270 electors and win the presidency. I'll be watching the following states for results on 5Nov24 (by 3am EST 6Nov24):

    Georgia [16]
    North Carolina [16]

    Florida [30]
    Ohio [17]
    Texas [40]

    & on 6Nov24 (by 10pm EST):

    Michigan [15]
    Wisconsin [10]


    I expect Harris-Walz to win the bolded states for 57 electors by Wednesday night and that can mathematically decide the eleclion.

    If a majority of people in the states named above vote their interests rather than their fictions, next week will culminate in a Harris-Walz blowout.

    If any or all of the other states above flip from "Red" to "Blue", the election could be a landslide.

    >>> Roevember 8 :up:
  • What is MoK listening to right now?

    "Eight Days a Week" (2:44)
    Beatles For Sale, 1964 (2023 remix)
    writers Lennon-McCartney, 1964
    The Beatles

    >>> Roevember 8 :victory: :cool:
  • US Election 2024 (All general discussion)
    Hopefully I'm wrong. — ssu
    :mask: :up:

    >>> Roevember 9
  • US Election 2024 (All general discussion)
    Addendum to:
    https://thephilosophyforum.com/discussion/comment/940625



    ↪Mikie
  • TPF Quote Cabinet
    Adiós, Padre. :fire:

    Contemporary man has begun to lose his naiveté as ... the deep causes of the situation in which he finds himself are becoming clearer. He realizes that to attack these deep causes is the indispensable prerequisite for radical change. And so he has gradually abandoned a simple reformist attitude regarding the existing social order, for, by its very shallowness this reformism perpetuates the existing system.

    *

    It has become ever clearer that underdevelopment is the end result of a process. Therefore, it must be studied from a historical perspective, that is, in relationship to the development and expansion of the great capitalist countries. The underdevelopment of the poor countries, as an overall social fact, appears in its true light: as the historical by-product of the development of other countries. The dynamics of the capitalist economy lead to the establishment of a center and a periphery, simultaneously generating progress and growing wealth for the few and social imbalances, political tensions, and poverty for the many.
    — Fr. Gustavo Gutiérrez, founder of liberation theology, d. 2024
  • US Election 2024 (All general discussion)
    Abortion and democracy may be what motivates people to get out and vote— but you don’t really know that, nor do I. — Mikie
    You've not been paying attention, bro. I know: 2017*, 2018, 2020, 2022, 2023* ... :victory: :mask:

    *special elections, referenda lost by MAGA-GOP, etc
  • US Election 2024 (All general discussion)
    Guess I’m not so crazy after all :rofl: — Mikie
    Not crazy, just cynically mistaken. The 2024 US election is about (1) whether or not this should be the last US election and (2) whether or not women in the US should have the inallienable right of bodily autonomy (i.e. unrestricted access to reproductive healthcare); this election is not principally about mere policy preferences (re: taxes, immigration, foreign policy, military spending, climate change, etc). As a Bernie Bro since the '90s, I ask you, Mikie: Why else would both Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez & Liz Cheney, both Bernie Sanders & Dick Cheney endorse Harris-Walz?

    https://thephilosophyforum.com/discussion/comment/941886

    ↪Shawn
    :victory:

    >>> Roevember 12
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