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Atheism about a necessary being entails a contradiction:up:
So what? "Mathematical relationships" are mere abstractions (i.e. tautologies – truth, not "being") and not events, forces, facts or things.I could point out that eternal mathematical relationships (e.g., Pythagoras' theorem) don't change as everything else changes ... — Hallucinogen -
Am I my body?
Yes, rather you are a body (i.e. metacognitivrly self-aware, decaying flesh & bone; once an unviable foetus and not yet a rotting corpse) at the very least.I don't have a body. — Kurt Keefner
:clap: :fire:... 'person' is derived from 'persona' which were the masks worn by actors in Greek drama. It corresponds to 'ego', which is, we can say, the self's idea of itself, and refers to what we are consciously aware of as ourselves, who we ourselves think that we are. — Wayfarer
:100:I think "mind" is what the brain and body does ... — BC -
Philosophy Proper
It's both, and nothing I've writtrn here is inconsistant with that.Analytic philosophy is a toolkit and not a school of philosophy? — Leontiskos -
Philosophy Proper:up: :up:
As a meta/discursive practice, imo, philosophy is a 'toolkit' consisting of (e.g.) rhetorical, logical, conceptual & methodological 'tools' (techniques) and schools (paradigms / fashions ... (e.g.) analytic, dialectical-critical, hermeneutical, synthetic)) of 'tool-usage', etc. -
Atheism about a necessary being entails a contradiction
Whatever else is meant by (ontologically) "necessary", this modality also implies unchangeable. The only way X is unchangeable in relation to every other changing Z (i.e. non-necessary Z) is that X itself is simultaneously X & not-X, or always in a state of all of its possible relations/modes; thus, self-contradictory.Also a "necessary being" is a contradiction in terms insofar as for it to be "necessary" means that "being" is unchangeable (i.e. both being and not-being simultaneously). — 180 Proof -
Atheism about a necessary being entails a contradiction
– IFF "a necessary entity" is not itself a contradiction in terms, which it is as I've pointed out.The point is that denial of a necessary entity entails a contradiction. — Hallucinogen
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Atheism about a necessary being entails a contradictionAfaik:
There is no first (or last) number on the real number line.
There is no first (or last) point on the circumference of a circle.
There are no edges to the surface of a sphere or an infinite plane.
Also a "necessary being" is a contradiction in terms insofar as for it to be "necessary" means that "being" is unchangeable (i.e. both being and not-being simultaneously). Ergo non-necessary being is necessary (re: PNC) as the entailed negation of the concept of "necessary being".
Lastly, atheism denotes rejection of theism (i.e. theistic conceptions) but not any nontheisms (e.g. animism ... pandeism, acosmism). -
Art Lies Beyond MoralityVery simply, I think Morality practices 'nonreciprocal harm-prevention/reduction' whereas Art explores 'catharsis from existential limits/failures of morality' – they are complements (dialectical), not opposites (binary) – pace Nietzsche.
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Israel killing civilians in Gaza and the West Bank7Oct24 :fire:
DEAR GOD,
FREE PALESTINE
FREE ISRAEL
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Human thinking is reaching the end of its usability"And I'd rather be ridiculed than ignored, so thank you for the attention." :smirk:
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Human thinking is reaching the end of its usability
Yes, that's entropy. :fire:Modernsociety is destroying itself. — Carlo Roosen
And a hand cannot grasp itself just like eyes cannot see themselves and a brain cannot perceive itself. Big whup. But thinking often works, that's all we need to know. "Non-thinking" – autopilot – is involuntary therefore easy, whereas thinking (i.e. learning, creating, reflecting) is voluntary and difficult. The contrast is reflectively instructive. Read Daniel Kahneman's Thinking, Fast and Slow.Thinking cannot be understood by more thinking.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thinking,_Fast_and_Slow
And more broadly:
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Outline_of_thought
You have come to the right place, Carlo, for such delusions of grandeur to be ridiculed. :smirk:Yesterday I wrote that I not only have to build this SHAI to save the world, I also have to get philosophy back on track. -
The Mind-Created World:ok: No serious discussion to be had here, just your usual polemical Quantum-woo. :sparkle:
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The Mind-Created World
Listen to the discussion in the first youtube video I posted where Deutsch makes it clear he is a scientific realist (i.e. anti-antirealist ... anti-instrumentalist). The genesis of Hugh Everett's thesis is scientifically irrelevant and I lost interest immediately with Phillip Ball's idiotic / disingenuous first sentence "What the MWI really denies is the existence of facts at all." Again:I wonder what David Deutsche's(probably unconscious)metaphysical commitments are — Wayfarer
'bad philosophy' (anti-realism) —> bad physics —> bad philosophy (woo-woo) — 180 Proof -
The Mind-Created World:clap: Well done, sir. As a layman I'm more or less an Everettian (as per D.Deutsch's version of the MWI) but your summary of the issues with CI & QBism is succinctly spot on. Nonetheless, to paraphrase the Persian poet Rumi: there would be no fool's gold, were there no fool (i.e. "bad philosophy" (anti-realism) —> bad physics —> bad philosophy...) To wit:
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Israel killing civilians in Gaza and the West Bank
:sweat: Of course, ignored again by the willfully ignorant ...consider yourself ignored. — BitconnectCarlos
https://inthesetimes.com/article/jewish-anti-zionism-israel-palestine-colonialism-annexation-apartheid
"The wrong type of Jew?" ~zionfascists
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Ariel Sharon: "occupation"
https://www.latimes.com/archives/la-xpm-2003-may-27-fg-mideast27-story.html
re: documentary – "The Gatekeepers" (2012)
https://thephilosophyforum.com/discussion/comment/856307
https://www.haaretz.com/israel-news/2024-01-04/ty-article-magazine/.highlight/amid-israeli-destruction-in-gaza-a-new-crime-against-humanity-emerges-domicide/0000018c-d585-d751-ad8d-ffa5965e0000 [1]'Collective punishment' (e.g. domicide¹) and 'disproportionate retaliatory slaughter' of a several decades-long captive population for "October 7th" by (US client-state) Israel are, at least, ongoing war crimes. — 180 Proof
https://fnl.mit.edu/january-march-2024/domicide-the-mass-destruction-of-homes-should-be-a-crime-against-humanity/ [1] -
Israel killing civilians in Gaza and the West BankMore ahistorical non sequiturs & special pleadings from an apartheid-war crimes apologist. Who tf cares? :mask:
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Israel killing civilians in Gaza and the West BankMore non sequiturs & special pleading bullshit. :shade:
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Israel killing civilians in Gaza and the West Bank
Oh you mean "anti-semites" like ...Anti-zionism is effectively anti-semitism. — BitconnectCarlos
https://inthesetimes.com/article/jewish-anti-zionism-israel-palestine-colonialism-annexation-apartheid :fire: :strong:(e.g.) R. Luxemburg, S. Freud, A. Einstein, E. Fromm, P. Levi, Marek Edelman, I. Asimov, H. Arendt, I.F. Stone, N. Chomsky, H. Siegman, M. Lerner, R. Falk, T. Judt et al — 180 Proof
Yeah, because the post-1967 State of Israel has not been "completely reliant" on US (& EU/Nato) military & economic funding and logistics as well as diplomatic cover (propaganda / disinformation) for a half century ... what a lying little shit you are.To oppose [COLONIZER-SETTLER-APARTHEID ETHNOSTATISM] is to oppose Jewish self-determination which, if realized, would render Jews, once again, completely reliant on foreign nations for security and strip them of their autonomy.... -
A Functional Deism
And once again, like Trump, your accusation is a confession, Gnomon. :eyes: :sweat:As you noted, he doesn't make rational arguments — Gnomon -
A Functional Deism
Maybe in metaphyasics but not for modern fundamental physics (or mathematics re: real numbers)..A first cause is logically necessary — Philosophim
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Are you a seeker of truth?
That's news to me. There are at leaat hundreds of threads wherein "fundamental reality" (i.e. ontology, metaphysics) is discussed. I even refer to the topic on my profile page. Use the site's search function to find those discussions and (maybe) contribute.People on the forum said it is not allowed to talk about fundamental reality... — Carlo Roosen -
A Functional Deism:rofl: e.g. "PanEnDeism" .... "Intelligent Design" ... "Enformationism" ... Res ipsa loquitur, dude.
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Are you a seeker of truth?
I seek to understand the limits of the uses, misuses & abuses of 'truth'.Are you a seeker of truth? — Carlo Roosen
Philosophy begns by reflecting on foundational questions which we do not know how to answer (yet), how to validly raise such questions without begging them and how to reformulate them ad infinitum or until they become empirically decidable (i.e. "applicable to reality"). As I understand it, the existential challenge is to adaptively make sense of reality in general and thereby strive to live accordingly. Seeking "to get answers" leads merely to (dogmatic, sophistical) religion, Carlo, and is not, imo, philosophy. You've come to the wrong site for "answers".[M]y challenge is going to be, to get answers that are applicable to reality.
This pseudo-question reminds me of silly maxims like "if man was meant to fly, he would have wings". Besides, "humanity" is a concept, sir, and not an individual who can "want". Instead of idling here like a child pondering on whether or not s/he "should want" to learn from (an) adult(s), build a "superhuman artificial intelligence" first so that then you/we can discuss with it what questions it/we should by asking.. :brow:Should humanity even want to build this SHAI? -
US Election 2024 (All general discussion)Today in Trumpenfreide
fu45 :clap:
https://www.reuters.com/markets/us/us-job-growth-surges-september-unemployment-rate-falls-41-2024-10-04/
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An anti-fascist vote is NOT an endorsement for the Democratic party. — Cornel West, 2020
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What is love?
Deep love seems to be mutual joy inspite of rather than because of – surrender (e.g. "unselfing" ~ I. Murdoch) without idealization. (Spinoza meets Žižek) :broken:There is nothing so whole as a broken heart. — an old Rabbi -
Israel killing civilians in Gaza and the West Bank
:up:The Middle East is in a perpetual war zone that benefits a big ass weapon industry. — javi2541997 -
Fundamental reality versus conceptual reality
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Israel killing civilians in Gaza and the West BankIsraeli occupation-oppression has radicalized generations of the Palestinian population. Likud's (Bibi's) zionfascist forever war is the goal. Stop lying to yourself.
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Israel killing civilians in Gaza and the West BankLike Trump, your accusations are confessions. :sweat:
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US Election 2024 (All general discussion)Today in Trumpenfreude
:lol: The Insurrectionist-Fascist Clown is shitting the bed (& his XXL man-baby diapers) ...
https://www.motherjones.com/politics/2024/10/jack-smith-donald-trump-filing-immunity/
>>> Roevember 34.
180 Proof
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