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  • US Election 2024 (All general discussion)
    November [Roevember] 5 will show whether I got everything wrong. — Eros1982
    :mask: :up:
  • Is evil something God dislikes?
    ↪bert1
    It's a very ancient and banal practice ...

    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Worship
  • Israel killing civilians in Gaza and the West Bank
    ↪Benkei
    :up:
  • US Election 2024 (All general discussion)
    A forgettable "VP debate". Neither candidate shit the bed and didn't affect the 2024 campaign either way.

    I give Gov. Walz a solid B Grade. :up:

    I give Sen. Vance a C-minus Grade.

    Roevember is coming! :victory: :cool:
  • Is evil something God dislikes?
    I'm not sure what worship is — bert1
    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Worship
  • A Functional Deism
    ↪Janus
    :up:
  • A Functional Deism
    ↪Brendan Golledge
    Have you considered pandeism? Here is my summary:

    (2022)
    https://thephilosophyforum.com/discussion/comment/718054

    What about Spinoza's acosmism?

    (8 months ago)
    https://thephilosophyforum.com/discussion/comment/876609
  • Is evil something God dislikes?
    ↪bert1
    If so, then "God" for humans is not worthy of worship (i.e. not a moral ideal / authority / exemplar).
  • Is evil something God dislikes?
    ↪bert1
    If "God" is omnipotent, then it is evil for refusing to create and maintain this world in a way such that (e.g.) children are not raped or afflicted with painful birth defects and all creatures do not have to devour one other in order to survive. If, however, "God" is not ominpotent, then it is not "God". :sparkle: :monkey:
  • Abortion - Why are people pro life?
    ↪Amity
    :flower: I read The Handmaid's Tale about thirty years ago and haven't watched the tv adaptation. At the time someone had recommened to me M. Atwood and P.D. James' The Children of Men (I recommend both book & film) when we were discussing (iirc) The Left Hand of Darkness by Ursula Le Guin.

    As for the upcoming election, it's not really as close as "the media" reports and "the national polls" (since the US presidential election is not a national popular election but fifty state elections) suggest. IMO, Amity, it's more profitable to news organizations and social media platforms to sell the "down to the wire neck and neck horse race" story. My 'pessimistic' prediction since 2022 has been and still is that Trump will lose the 2024 by at least the margin he'd lost in 2020. :mask: :up:

    The real (appalling) "fun" will begin furiously after the election in 35 days – I expect there will be blood!
  • US Election 2024 (All general discussion)
    1October24

    Happy 100th, President Carter! :party:



    Tonight JD Vance will embarrass himself even more and Tim Walz will move the Harris-Walz ball closer to the end zone: "first and goal!" :point:

    Roevember is coming! :victory: :cool:
  • How can we humans avoid being just objects?
    How can we humans avoid being just objects? — Angelo Cannata
    I think the place to start is by exercising our 'massively distributed' modes of agency in solidarity to struggle against political-economic-cultural systems which minmize and/or eliminate the social agency of any humans anywhere possible for us to do so. In other words, to the degree we humans are emancipatory and disutilitarian with respect to all humans (as well as non-human species) is the degree to which, imo, we become more than "just objects" (i.e. atomized beasts of burden, cattle, sheep, etc). :death: :flower:
  • Israel killing civilians in Gaza and the West Bank
    ↪neomac
    First time I've seen the video so I couldn't have posted it before.

    is it geopolitical and historical reasoning that is blind to universal humanitarian concerns or is it universal humanitarian concerns that are blind to geopolitical and historical reasoning?
    Yes and no. The latter opposes – struggles against – the inhumane and counter-productive (i.e. destabilizing) excesses – strategic blindness – of the former.
  • Abortion - Why are people pro life?
    ↪Amity
    :100:

    "Pro-life" = pro-forced birth = pro-forced labor: unviable foetus (master) over pregnant woman (slave). :vomit:

    Welcome to effin' "Gilead" (re: post-Roe v Wade America) aka Trumpistan.
  • Israel killing civilians in Gaza and the West Bank
    (Gideon Levy, 2016)


    @BitconnectCarlos @neomac @schopenhauer1 @RogueAI @Moses @tim wood


    10 mo. ago
    https://thephilosophyforum.com/discussion/comment/858338
  • Abortion - Why are people pro life?
    Abortion - Why are people pro life? — Samlw
    As an American, my two bits: "pro life" folks, especially those who are also pro-guns, pro-death penalty, pro-voter suppression & anti-immigration / ethno-nationalist, seek to control (reverse) demographic trends by controlling women's bodies and use 'Bronze Age superstitions' (rather than modern science / medicine) to 'justify' their movement. :mask:
  • Is evil something God dislikes?
    ↪Shawn I think it's like a preschooler asking if her parents also hate the monster in her closet tormententing her. For some it goes further; asking why her supposedly loving parents allow monsters to occupy her closet — ENOAH
    :smirk: :up:
  • Is evil something God dislikes?
    God didn't allow anything. — javi2541997
    According to Genesis, God created Adam and Eve with free will too weak to resist temptation and not disobey. God also created the serpent and the Tree of Knowledge. Adam and Eve are set up to fail by God then, when they do fail, God punishes them for His failure to make their free wills strong enough as well as for His failure to tell them that He, not the forbidden fruit, would cause them to die (i.e. denied access by God to the fruit of the Tree of Life). Adam and Eve didn't Fall, God set the trap for them and all of their descendants; thus, Evil was created – "allowed" – by God in the first book of the Torah. :fire: :eyes: :pray:
  • Is evil something God dislikes?
    One solution to that problem is divest God of omnipotence. — BC
    If so, then why call it "God"? (Epicurus)
  • Is evil something God dislikes?
    According to the Bible, God very much dislikes evil in its various forms. — BC
    :chin:
    I form the light, and create darkness: I make peace, and create evil: I the Lord do all these things. — Isaiah 45:7, KJV
    But he said unto her, Thou speakest as one of the foolish women speaketh. What? shall we receive good at the hand of God, and shall we not receive evil? — Job 2:10, KJV

    ↪Shawn
  • The relationship of the statue to the clay
    ↪frank
    Bob paid for the sculptor's work.
  • Is evil something God dislikes?
    If whatever exists is ultimately God's will and if evil exists, then ultimately evil is God's will. It also follows morally that we have agency to the degree we, like Sisyphus, struggle against, or resist, evil, and therefore oppose God, no?
  • The relationship of the statue to the clay
    Apologies, but I haven't read much of tthis thread.
    How are the clay and the statue related? — frank
    Simply, like footprints in sand on a beach, "the statue" (pattern) is a secondary quality and "the clay" (material) is a primary quality; thus, unlike the latter, the former is not physically conserved.
  • Is evil something God dislikes?
    Insofar as it is part of His "divine plan", "evil" is in accord with His "will". Thus, this "fallen" Earth aka "best of all possible worlds". I think such a "God" is either a sadist or a fiction, and therefore, is not worthy of worship (e.g. as a 'moral ideal').
  • ChatGPT 4 Answers Philosophical Questions
    ↪Hanover
    If you (or ChatGPT#) say so ...
  • The overwhelmingly vast majority of truth cannot be expressed by language
    Approximation can be incomplete ... — ucarr
    :roll:

    Reification has only a weak form under strategic incompleteness because no systems are finalized into hard boundaries.
    Another non sequitur.

    your Deist god ...
    Ad hominem. Besides, I'm not a "deist" and do not espouse "deism".

    ... to initiate existence
    I have neither claimed nor implied that "existence" is/was "initiated".
  • The overwhelmingly vast majority of truth cannot be expressed by language
    How do you know that what you believe in is true if you can't express it? — Manuel
    ↪Tarskian Yes, yes, all that. So what? Give an example of one of these unstatable true sentences... — Banno
    :smirk:

    ↪ucarr
    :roll: Big effin' whup. Nothing new in this insight – approximating, not "incompleteness" (another reified / Platonic abstraction) – since Eudoxus' method of exhaustion¹ (e.g. squaring the circle). Also, merelogy²: parts (e.g. reason) cannot equal, let alone exceed, the whole (e.g. reality) to which they belong (i.e. in which they are inscribed-entangled) – i.e. reality is in our reach yet also exceeds our grasp because we are real and nothing more – e.g. Gödel has only axiomatized and Heisenberg / Schödinger have only instrumentalized this formal-merelogical limit that constrains epistemic / cognition (pace Kant).

    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Method_of_exhaustion [1]

    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mereology [2]
  • What is the most uninteresting philosopher/philosophy?
    ↪Benkei
    He isn't "important" to me.
  • The overwhelmingly vast majority of truth cannot be expressed by language
    The nature of reality is simply like that. — Tarskian
    You have not shown that this is the case (i.e. a belief that is neither justified nor true).
  • The overwhelmingly vast majority of truth cannot be expressed by language
    ↪hypericin
    :up: :up:
  • The overwhelmingly vast majority of truth cannot be expressed by language
    If you look at the epistemic JTB account for knowledge as a justified true belief ... — Tarskian
    Perhaps your OP topic only indicates that "the epistemic JTB account" is inadequate in some way.
  • US Election 2024 (All general discussion)
    Today in Trumpenfreude

    NASDAQ (DJT) :rofl:

    19Sept24 - $14.70 per share
    (NASDAQ 18,013.98)
    — 180 Proof
    23Sept24 - $12.15 per share :down:
    (NASDAQ 18074.52) :up:

    https://www.google.com/amp/s/thehill.com/regulation/court-battles/4897015-judge-rejects-trump-request/amp/ :smirk:
  • The overwhelmingly vast majority of truth cannot be expressed by language
    The overwhelmingly vast majority of truth cannot be expressed by language — Tarskian
    Assuming this statement is true, what do you think is its philosophical significance?
  • Can the existence of God be proved?
    Christian metaphysics — Bodhy
    Fyi: I derive 'necessary non-contingency' of existence (i.e. no-things) from the "metaphysics" of classical atomism (re: void) that predates Aristotlean 'substance' by a few centuries, Christianity by several centuries, and Anselm's 'necessary being' by about a millennium and a half.
  • US Election 2024 (All general discussion)
    ↪Paine
    :up: :up:
  • What is the most uninteresting philosopher/philosophy?
    PS But yeah, antinatalism for sure. — SophistiCat
    :up:

    What Heidegger tried to do was to root thinking in practice, which is a rather modern idea. — Tobias
    Oh yes, he "tried" this "modern idea" like a few others, iirc: Laozi-Zhuangzi, Heraclitus, Socrates, Pyrrho, Epicurus-Lucretius, Seneca-Epictetus, Sextus Empiricus ... Montaigne, Spinoza, Hume, Hegel, Nietzsche, Peirce-Dewey, Wittgenstein et al.
  • Can the existence of God be proved?
    How could there possibly be nothing? [ ... ] Not even a quantum vacuum. What does that even mean? — T Clark
    :100:

    ↪Bodhy
    I agree 'the universe is contingent' (i.e. necessarily non-necessary) but the universe – any existent – is only a property of existence (not the other way around) and is not itself existence as such (which is necessarily non-contingent (i.e. existence = not-nonexistence / not-nothingness)).
  • US Election 2024 (All general discussion)
    22September24

    (April 2024)
    https://thephilosophyforum.com/discussion/comment/894200

    6August24

    Roevember 2024:

    VP Kamala Harris & Gov Tim Walz
    ("pro-democracy" Democrats) :victory: :mask:

    versus

    The Criminal Clown & MAGA Mini-me 
    (neofascist "weirdos") :lol:
    — 180 Proof
    Addendum:

    Race to 270 electors via swing states*

    Harris-Walz
    • blue states 229 electors > needs 41
    • wins: *AZ, MI, NC, PA, WI = 71 (44) electors :party:

    Big Clown & Lil Clown
    • red states 219 electors > needs 51
    • (probably) wins: *GA, NV = 22 electors :cry:

    I predict Harris-Walz will win the 2024 Presidential Election with at least 300 electors (Biden-Harris won 306 electors in 2020). I also guesstimate that Texas [40], Florida [30] & Ohio [17] are in play and any or all three might be flipped from Red to Blue and add 17 to 87 electors to the Harris-Walz victory: 317 to 387 electors. Yes, I'm predicting a Roevember blowout!

    IMHO, that's a reasonable and low estimate, nowhere near a landside (like 486 electors for Johnson in 1964, 520 electors for Nixon in 1972 or 525 electors for Reagan in 1984).
  • What is the most uninteresting philosopher/philosophy?
    ↪I like sushi
    :up:
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