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Abortion - Why are people pro life?:100: :up:
:fire:"pro-life" folks ... who are also ... pro-death penalty... seek to control (reverse) demographic trends by controlling women's bodies ...
—180 Proof
Absolutely spot on! And I'm not American.
I had similar thoughts when I read the shocking Guardian article re Capital punishment, yesterday.
https://thephilosophyforum.com/discussion/comment/935435
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2024/sep/29/america-executions-death-penalty — Amity -
A Functional Deism
:rofl: Stunning ignorance. :lol:Pandeism (all is spirit) and Materialism (all is matter) — Gnomon
No I didn't. I asked you to philosophically consider (my proposed summaries of monist-immanent) pandeism & acosmism as alternatives to (dualist-transcendent) deism.You asked me to reply to comments that you had previously made. — Brendan Golledge -
Israel killing civilians in Gaza and the West Bank
That's almost as obscenely vile as Israeli apartheid that everyday oppresses non-Jews especially in the Occupied Territories, West Bank & Gaza. Police (everywhere) should "conscientiously object" to protecting only Official Israeli spaces (e.g. consulates, embassies, government offices, businesses, etc) instead. Mass murderers, no matter how triumphant they are in the moment, reap what they fucking sow. :fire: :mask:One can now apparently be a "conscientious objector" re: providing security for Jewish spaces — BitconnectCarlos -
US Election 2024 (All general discussion)A forgettable "VP debate". Neither candidate shit the bed and didn't affect the 2024 campaign either way.
I give Gov. Walz a solid B Grade. :up:
I give Sen. Vance a C-minus Grade.
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Is evil something God dislikes?
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/WorshipI'm not sure what worship is — bert1 -
A Functional DeismHave you considered pandeism? Here is my summary:
(2022)
https://thephilosophyforum.com/discussion/comment/718054
What about Spinoza's acosmism?
(8 months ago)
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Is evil something God dislikes?If so, then "God" for humans is not worthy of worship (i.e. not a moral ideal / authority / exemplar).
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Is evil something God dislikes?If "God" is omnipotent, then it is evil for refusing to create and maintain this world in a way such that (e.g.) children are not raped or afflicted with painful birth defects and all creatures do not have to devour one other in order to survive. If, however, "God" is not ominpotent, then it is not "God". :sparkle: :monkey:
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Abortion - Why are people pro life?:flower: I read The Handmaid's Tale about thirty years ago and haven't watched the tv adaptation. At the time someone had recommened to me M. Atwood and P.D. James' The Children of Men (I recommend both book & film) when we were discussing (iirc) The Left Hand of Darkness by Ursula Le Guin.
As for the upcoming election, it's not really as close as "the media" reports and "the national polls" (since the US presidential election is not a national popular election but fifty state elections) suggest. IMO, Amity, it's more profitable to news organizations and social media platforms to sell the "down to the wire neck and neck horse race" story. My 'pessimistic' prediction since 2022 has been and still is that Trump will lose the 2024 by at least the margin he'd lost in 2020. :mask: :up:
The real (appalling) "fun" will begin furiously after the election in 35 days – I expect there will be blood! -
US Election 2024 (All general discussion)1October24
Happy 100th, President Carter! :party:
Tonight JD Vance will embarrass himself even more and Tim Walz will move the Harris-Walz ball closer to the end zone: "first and goal!" :point:
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How can we humans avoid being just objects?
I think the place to start is by exercising our 'massively distributed' modes of agency in solidarity to struggle against political-economic-cultural systems which minmize and/or eliminate the social agency of any humans anywhere possible for us to do so. In other words, to the degree we humans are emancipatory and disutilitarian with respect to all humans (as well as non-human species) is the degree to which, imo, we become more than "just objects" (i.e. atomized beasts of burden, cattle, sheep, etc). :death: :flower:How can we humans avoid being just objects? — Angelo Cannata -
Israel killing civilians in Gaza and the West BankFirst time I've seen the video so I couldn't have posted it before.
Yes and no. The latter opposes – struggles against – the inhumane and counter-productive (i.e. destabilizing) excesses – strategic blindness – of the former.is it geopolitical and historical reasoning that is blind to universal humanitarian concerns or is it universal humanitarian concerns that are blind to geopolitical and historical reasoning? -
Abortion - Why are people pro life?:100:
"Pro-life" = pro-forced birth = pro-forced labor: unviable foetus (master) over pregnant woman (slave). :vomit:
Welcome to effin' "Gilead" (re: post-Roe v Wade America) akaTrumpistan. -
Abortion - Why are people pro life?
As an American, my two bits: "pro life" folks, especially those who are also pro-guns, pro-death penalty, pro-voter suppression & anti-immigration / ethno-nationalist, seek to control (reverse) demographic trends by controlling women's bodies and use 'Bronze Age superstitions' (rather than modern science / medicine) to 'justify' their movement. :mask:Abortion - Why are people pro life? — Samlw -
Is evil something God dislikes?
:smirk: :up:↪Shawn I think it's like a preschooler asking if her parents also hate the monster in her closet tormententing her. For some it goes further; asking why her supposedly loving parents allow monsters to occupy her closet — ENOAH -
Is evil something God dislikes?
According to Genesis, God created Adam and Eve with free will too weak to resist temptation and not disobey. God also created the serpent and the Tree of Knowledge. Adam and Eve are set up to fail by God then, when they do fail, God punishes them for His failure to make their free wills strong enough as well as for His failure to tell them that He, not the forbidden fruit, would cause them to die (i.e. denied access by God to the fruit of the Tree of Life). Adam and Eve didn't Fall, God set the trap for them and all of their descendants; thus, Evil was created – "allowed" – by God in the first book of the Torah. :fire: :eyes: :pray:God didn't allow anything. — javi2541997 -
Is evil something God dislikes?
If so, then why call it "God"? (Epicurus)One solution to that problem is divest God of omnipotence. — BC -
Is evil something God dislikes?
:chin:According to the Bible, God very much dislikes evil in its various forms. — BC
I form the light, and create darkness: I make peace, and create evil: I the Lord do all these things. — Isaiah 45:7, KJVBut he said unto her, Thou speakest as one of the foolish women speaketh. What? shall we receive good at the hand of God, and shall we not receive evil? — Job 2:10, KJV
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Is evil something God dislikes?If whatever exists is ultimately God's will and if evil exists, then ultimately evil is God's will. It also follows morally that we have agency to the degree we, like Sisyphus, struggle against, or resist, evil, and therefore oppose God, no?
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The relationship of the statue to the clayApologies, but I haven't read much of tthis thread.
Simply, like footprints in sand on a beach, "the statue" (pattern) is a secondary quality and "the clay" (material) is a primary quality; thus, unlike the latter, the former is not physically conserved.How are the clay and the statue related? — frank -
Is evil something God dislikes?Insofar as it is part of His "divine plan", "evil" is in accord with His "will". Thus, this "fallen" Earth aka "best of all possible worlds". I think such a "God" is either a sadist or a fiction, and therefore, is not worthy of worship (e.g. as a 'moral ideal').
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The overwhelmingly vast majority of truth cannot be expressed by language
:roll:Approximation can be incomplete ... — ucarr
Another non sequitur.Reification has only a weak form under strategic incompleteness because no systems are finalized into hard boundaries.
Ad hominem. Besides, I'm not a "deist" and do not espouse "deism".your Deist god ...
I have neither claimed nor implied that "existence" is/was "initiated".... to initiate existence -
The overwhelmingly vast majority of truth cannot be expressed by languageHow do you know that what you believe in is true if you can't express it? — Manuel
:smirk:↪Tarskian Yes, yes, all that. So what? Give an example of one of these unstatable true sentences... — Banno
:roll: Big effin' whup. Nothing new in this insight – approximating, not "incompleteness" (another reified / Platonic abstraction) – since Eudoxus' method of exhaustion¹ (e.g. squaring the circle). Also, merelogy²: parts (e.g. reason) cannot equal, let alone exceed, the whole (e.g. reality) to which they belong (i.e. in which they are inscribed-entangled) – i.e. reality is in our reach yet also exceeds our grasp because we are real and nothing more – e.g. Gödel has only axiomatized and Heisenberg / Schödinger have only instrumentalized this formal-merelogical limit that constrains epistemic / cognition (pace Kant).
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Method_of_exhaustion [1]
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mereology [2] -
The overwhelmingly vast majority of truth cannot be expressed by language
You have not shown that this is the case (i.e. a belief that is neither justified nor true).The nature of reality is simply like that. — Tarskian -
The overwhelmingly vast majority of truth cannot be expressed by language
Perhaps your OP topic only indicates that "the epistemic JTB account" is inadequate in some way.If you look at the epistemic JTB account for knowledge as a justified true belief ... — Tarskian -
US Election 2024 (All general discussion)Today in Trumpenfreude
23Sept24 - $12.15 per share :down:NASDAQ (DJT) :rofl:
19Sept24 - $14.70 per share
(NASDAQ 18,013.98) — 180 Proof
(NASDAQ 18074.52) :up:
https://www.google.com/amp/s/thehill.com/regulation/court-battles/4897015-judge-rejects-trump-request/amp/ :smirk: -
The overwhelmingly vast majority of truth cannot be expressed by language
Assuming this statement is true, what do you think is its philosophical significance?The overwhelmingly vast majority of truth cannot be expressed by language — Tarskian -
Can the existence of God be proved?
Fyi: I derive 'necessary non-contingency' of existence (i.e. no-things) from the "metaphysics" of classical atomism (re: void) that predates Aristotlean 'substance' by a few centuries, Christianity by several centuries, and Anselm's 'necessary being' by about a millennium and a half.Christian metaphysics — Bodhy -
What is the most uninteresting philosopher/philosophy?
:up:PS But yeah, antinatalism for sure. — SophistiCat
Oh yes, he "tried" this "modern idea" like a few others, iirc: Laozi-Zhuangzi, Heraclitus, Socrates, Pyrrho, Epicurus-Lucretius, Seneca-Epictetus, Sextus Empiricus ... Montaigne, Spinoza, Hume, Hegel, Nietzsche, Peirce-Dewey, Wittgenstein et al.What Heidegger tried to do was to root thinking in practice, which is a rather modern idea. — Tobias -
Can the existence of God be proved?
:100:How could there possibly be nothing? [ ... ] Not even a quantum vacuum. What does that even mean? — T Clark
I agree 'the universe is contingent' (i.e. necessarily non-necessary) but the universe – any existent – is only a property of existence (not the other way around) and is not itself existence as such (which is necessarily non-contingent (i.e. existence = not-nonexistence / not-nothingness)).
180 Proof
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