Ethnic cleansing is even worse than slavery — 180 Proof

What a disgraceful statement.

Slavery has been present every day throughout human history. My ancestors were slaves. What do you actually know about slavery to make such a fatuous statement?

I should be more specific. Child abuse is rife among people who benefit from having many children. Farming communities and the like. This is assuming you count having too many children as abuse. — khaled

How can an antinatalist differentiate between anyone creating a child knowing that they will all suffer? Most people I know with mental health issues etc did not have deliberately abusive parents.

But years ago in my country of birth the UK I watched Open University demographics programme where a Gazan man living in a 2 bedroom house claimed he had 8 children to outnumber the Jews. I have never heard the equivalent of say someone living in Belsen Bergen having 10 children to outnumber the Nazi's

And no one disagreed. That makes it ok to blow up the man, his 2 wives and his 14 children? Yikes. — khaled

No one did that. When did this happen?

However Hamas has fired over 2,000 rockets now into Israel that has millions of Arab Palestinians living there. Why the hell do you want to prolong the conflict? Lies like the prolific fantasies on here prolong the division and fantasy..

It's disastrous that you even think it's an argument... "They had too many kids, kill em and their kids". Amazing honestly. — khaled

Where have I made this egregious claim that people and their children should be killed because they had large families. This is libellous slander. I simply said anyone especially large families in a warzone are responsible for the suffering of their children You are apparently another prolific liar on this thread.

I have stated that if I had children none of the people who made me suffer are responsible for my children's suffering. What exactly is your point that parents are not responsible for the suffering they had deliberately to outnumber the other side in war? Derisible.

I have not advocated killing anyone this thread. So lie yourself blue I don't care.

Poor peoples children are the victim of societies delusional values. The abuse is rich people convincing poor people to breed so they can accumulate the wealth from other people's labour. (If you want my opinion)

Only the wealthy win in this scenario.

Child abuse is rife among poor people — khaled

No it is not.

Also, is your argument literally "Arabs abuse their children therefore they're the bad guys in the conflict with Israel" — khaled

I have literally posted thousands of words on this thread and you think that is my sole argument?

I pointed out that a man having 14 children and 2 wives in a conflict zone is not the Jews or Israelis' fault.

Firing thousands of rockets arbitrarily into Israel is arguably worse than creating thousands of unnecessary children to suffer. (Make up your own mind).

Can I be bothered to reiterate the argument.

You can blame other people for your own problems but not for your decision to pointlessly create children.

I could arguably blame lots of people for my problems but as soon as I choose to create children it is no one else's fault.

But who cares just carry on creating children and blaming everyone else but the parents for their suffering. The Jews are histories biggest scapegoats and it is horrifying to see it happening here.

Are you done defending genocide or do you have like another three posts to froth out the side of your mouth? — StreetlightX

Are you done lying and slurring people who oppose you and being wrapped in your own superficial reality? The genocide of your imagination unfortunately is the source of genocide because you have invented it and are willing to carry it out.

l I cited sources, but again, I realize your illiteracy continues to get the best of you. — StreetlightX

I am not going to read your garbage. There is a huge literature on this subject. You can't resolve the issues this way. You are not hoodwinking me.

Why don't you just go to The Gaza strip and throw a few thousand rockets into Israel yourself.

You don't care about the Israeli Arabs and non Jews targeted. Who exactly do you care about in your faux outrage?

You're very bad at this. — StreetlightX

Yes I am bad at lying and being phony.

I agree. I do think the kind of sentiment expressed in the video is widespread, but most are simply too savvy to come right out and say it. It's why these expressions ought to be publicized when and where they can. It's so easy to find: — StreetlightX

So your Anti Israeli sentiment is based on a video involving 4 people. You have to be joking me! or maybe I just ended up in your nightmare somehow.

Well yes but in this case I am accusing a state that is committing genocide of genocide. — StreetlightX

Are you familiar with the term tautology?

You can't determine the definition of genocide based on your pathological vilification of Israel (The Jews?)

your illiteracy — StreetlightX

Tell that to however awarded me with a university degree.

I don't know whether I learned the term ad hominem before or during my degree studies.

Question one.

International law

Where does it derive it's authority from.

Answer: if you are seeking a response please search for another forum.

Or if you are less cynical another thread here.

Um excuse me your are just reiterating your false claims to yourself.

I am not a psychiatrist so I can't help you.

I have know many mentally ill people. It is a terrible condition. Your claims do not validate themselves due to your own beliefs.

Hopefully the more normalized it is, the more people will recognize it for what it is — StreetlightX

Word salad. So you can arbitrarily accuse anyone of of genocide. Well done for the modern trend of making false and heinous allegations against people who disagree with you.

You asked me — StreetlightX

I am not interested in you. I am interested in the Jews and Israel.

:down:

You asked me 'who makes decisions' and I gave you an answer. I happen to agree with those decisions, because the coincide with helping to stem the Israeli genocide of Palestinians. — StreetlightX

Feel free to say the word genocide a thousand more times. For whose benefit is this other than yourself? Neither You nor the Anti-Semitic UN have any power to validate this definition.

And by the way do you not consider the nearly 2 million Arabs in Israel Palestinians. The only racism and genocidal sentiment in this thread seems to be emanating from you.

Good job. Want a medal? — khaled

No I want an end to parental child abuse and religious abuse. Child abuse is Rife among Arabs. Do you support this or have you lobotomised yourself?

Well Done Jews! This is the Flotsam and Jetsam that oppose you!"!

Well insofar as Israel is ignoring international law and committing genocide, you're right that it's not particularly effective at the moment. — StreetlightX

What a shockingly trivial response. I can cite you many genocide and crimes the UN failed to prevent including the Rwandan genocide and the The Sierra Leone atrocities (they were ended by the UK and USA) Likewise the Kosovo genocide. You have not defended the authority of international law so fake apologies for me ridiculing it.

lWithout international law, the Israelis wouldn't have a right to self-determination or any need to respect their borders. So let's go with that in which case Israel has no right to exist. Idiot. — Benkei

The UN is Israel's biggest enemy it has only survived thanks to the USA themselves and my country of occupation the UK. Have you actually read a history book? Which country issued the Balfour declaration? Yours?

Please give me one philosophical reason to accept the UN's edicts or anyone else's. Or this bizarre phantom international law.

I'm simply deferring — StreetlightX

That is actually the biggest lie of this whole thread deferring your prejudices to someone else.

I'm simply deferring to international law. — StreetlightX

Why the hell would you do that?

What convinced you international law had any authority?

Since when has any international body prevented genocide?

He's going to claim people don't own land now, until someone starts trespassing in his house. — khaled

I spent a few Years In British Prisons. You don't know me. I know what persecution eviction and disenfranchisement is is. I don't own where I live and never know when I might be evicted. What about you?

I am a gay person the only non Christian in my Immediate family. You don't know me.

Palestinian land belongs to Palestinians. — StreetlightX

Who are the Palestinians and what legitimizes you to make this statement? Who made you the person who decides what belongs whom?

I don't know what you are talking about. — StreetlightX

We agree for once.

the land which Israel is stealing from them is theirs. — StreetlightX

How can you steal something from someone that doesn't belong to them? Does a cow being turned into a burger belong to you. Does a plant growing in the wild belong to you. What belongs to you and why?

How can a "outraged" position be based on such a shallow unanalytic version of reality? As it is not my position I can't help you there but I really hope the Israeli's defeat this kind of (whatever) propaganda.

I think that there should be established an Israeli and Palestinian state along what people generally call the "'67 borders" and eventual state with equal rights for Israelis and Palestinians. — thewonder

And what makes your opinion relevant? (Not to be rude)

All the better for me. — StreetlightX

I thought you were concerned with other people other than yourself. Quelle surprise.

I said they are not interchangeable with any Arabs — StreetlightX

What differentiates them from other Arabs? Genetics certainly doesn't in fact genetics shows that all Jews including the defamed Ashkenazi's are closely related to Arabs more than Europeans. So you are pitting closely genetically related Middle Eastern people against each other. Would you like to add a blood libel with your tea?

The plan is mostly in the pudding — StreetlightX

You have really undermined yourself there with that incredibly trite turn of phrase in such dark times. #clap emoji

I've attempted suicide too, but I don't use it to defend war crimes. — thewonder

Neither have I. But you appear to be depending Hamas's war crimes and stated constitutional aim to eradicate Israel. Is the reason you didn't commit suicide because you knew you just had to defend a misogynist, homophobic, evidentially murderous terrorist organisation? That certainly was not mine.

I don't accept your bad faith and phoney psychology speak. That is symptomatic of the demise of civilised reality.

Palestinians are not just interchangeable with any Arab — StreetlightX

Palestinians Are not Arabs? What language do they speak? What research have you done into their genetics? Where did the Hebrew language come from and have you read the Quran and the Bible?

Where did the Jews originate from?#

Your lies about Arab-Israelis are predictable easily defeated and deeply anti Semitic. I can't even be bothered wasting my time on you with counter evidence. Clearly this issue enflames you more than anything else but you are not anti-Semitic? Millions children are abused, die of malnutrition, die in countless wars and neglect please direct me to a thread where you show similar "compassion" for them

Or just continue being a Jew hater phoney..

and their treatment of Palestinians like animals — StreetlightX

By killing two hundred out of population of Millions after having 1,500 rockets thrown at them . Is there any depth to your dishonesty? And by the Way Israel contains nearly 2 million Arabs who were also targeted by these rockets. One of them a 7 year old boy was murdered by your martyrs Hamas.

Make up your mind whether you care about the Palestinians or not.

I'm also not entirely sure that I believe you. You're just so like what you could be like so as to do a certain thing, though you could be like that. I don't want to even begin with that sort of thing, though. — thewonder

We don't know each other. I attempted suicide a few times and survived as a young man then I partially cared for my severely ill older brother till he died for many years. My prematurely dead brother doesn't own anything. You can't own anything after you have died.
No one will own the Middle East after they die. let us not continue this cycle of suffering by fictional ideas.

Shame on people who think having 14 children is not child abuse. Having one child is indefensible let alone 14 and then to pretend to be piously outraged over someone else's alleged iniquities.

4. You cannot acquire land through defensive war, because you cannot logically defend what wasn't yours to begin with; — Benkei

Nothing belongs to anyone. Feel free to defend this statement.

"On 21 May, the Syrian army was stopped at kibbutz Degania Alef in the north, where local militia reinforced by elements of the Carmeli Brigade halted Syrian armoured forces with Molotov cocktails, hand grenades and a single PIAT. One tank that was disabled by Molotov cocktails and hand grenades still remains at the kibbutz. The remaining Syrian forces were driven off the next day by four Napoleonchik mountain guns – Israel's first use of artillery during the war.[164] Following the Syrian forces' defeat at the Deganias a few days later, they abandoned the Samakh village.[161] The Syrians were forced to besiege the kibbutz rather than advance.[159] One author claims that the main reason for the Syrian defeat was the Syrian soldiers' low regard for the Israelis who they believed would not stand and fight against the Arab army.[163]"

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1948_Arab%E2%80%93Israeli_War

"An Iraqi force consisting of two infantry and one armoured brigade crossed the Jordan River from northern Jordan, attacking the Israeli settlement of Gesher with little success.[17] Following this defeat, Iraqi forces moved into the strategic triangle bounded by the Arab towns Nablus, Jenin and Tulkarm. On 25 May, they were making their way towards Netanya, when they were stopped.[159] On 29 May, an Israeli attack against the Iraqis led to three days of heavy fighting over Jenin, but Iraqi forces managed to hold their positions.[159] After these battles, the Iraqi forces became stationary and their involvement in the war effectively ended.[120][159"

"The Jordanians in Latrun cut off supplies to western Jerusalem.[154] Though some supplies, mostly munitions, were airdropped into the city, the shortage of food, water, fuel and medicine was acute. The Israeli forces were seriously short of food, water and ammunition.[154]"

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1948_Arab%E2%80%93Israeli_War#Battle_for_Jerusalem