I'm not aware of that one, but sounds like it's something I'd like.

Yeah, fo-sho, she can magic your skin right off.

That witch was pretty cool. I've always liked witches.

Everyone does get my awesome and hilarious pun though, right? I need to be sure, rogue scholar.

I don't know, and I take pride in not knowing.

It's a demand, but I'm wiry.



I didn't begin mine, but I'm more like a rogue scholar. :D

Exile? Give me death!

Well, at least I can be confident that you guys are unarmed.

Much more analogous to someone's house. You could say their house, their rules, but painting it in terms of status is inappropriate.

Not to be inflammatory, but the relationship between posters and moderation isn't one that is analogous to teachers and students. That's a fairly obnoxious framing. We aren't attending moderation university, aspiring to moderation status, and none of them have a PHD in moderation.

Sharing is caring.

My feelings are of two kinds, the sensory, bodily, and the linguistic. I feel pretty good physically, think I might do some exercising soon, haven't decided if I want to be sore tomorrow or not yet though. The linguistic is extremely difficult to pin down, as it is like a flowing river of turbulence depending on the stream of consciousness, and how things are being framed.

About me, eh? There is the coffee table that my laptop is on, and my phone, also the cat. There's a hoodie over there.

It can be about me.

Your original claim was that everyone wants happiness, and doesn't want unhappiness, without qualification, I only desired to show that this isn't quite true, that both there are things far more valuable than happiness, and that happiness isn't desirable if brought about by certain causes.

Your point now is also simplistic, and takes an unqualified position on pain. You know if you take a bunch of pain killers for long enough, then it will greatly reduce your pain tolerance thresholds. Without experiencing any pain, we will become less and less able to tolerate pain. What doesn't kill you makes you stronger, and all that. Taking an unqualified position on pain can also lead to unhealthy circumstances. Even "too much health" is bad, in the sense that the immune system grows and matures, and if completely sheltered from germs, dirt, or sickness, then it cannot develop, and you will become much more susceptible to sickness in later life.

You don't go into why they wish not to prevent it? A proper evaluation requires efforts, risks, involvements, and costs. Just that it is possible for them to prevent it doesn't cover what preventing it may entail. The trolley thought experiment could be worded just as "something bad going to happen" that you could prevent, but since what it is, how you'd prevent it, and all of the variables, the implied obviousness of not doing so being unreasonable is not justified. We live in a complex world is my very point, even if doing something takes five seconds, that's still a cost, and five seconds you could have been doing something else.

As for if I owed someone something, and they didn't feel like paying it, so was like, "nah son, I ain't paying" then they wouldn't like it, and there may be consequences like them not helping you, or speaking to you again, trying to attack you or some shit, but you can still do it.

As for yourself, if say, I spend extra money out of the budget, this pay check, obliging future me to contribute more to the bills out of the next one, I can say "nah fuck that". Or if you don't like that, then if I make a promise to myself to change a habit or some such, but then don't follow through, I'm not only going to feel bad about it, but I'm going to take myself less seriously the next time I proclaim such a obligation to myself, and develop a sense of myself as untrustworthy, and unreliable when speaking about such things.

It's best to just use your senses and figure it out for yourself. It is thusly.

Any oversight is too much for me. I'm here because a part of me demands it of me, I don't get to keep everything to myself and remain in peace unfortunately. I'm compelled.

The point is that too much happiness is a bad thing. Happiness in itself cannot be good. It depends on the consequences, and causes. If eating orphans makes you happy, then that is wrong. If happiness is drug induced, then it is shallow. One can say that "happiness is always good" only in a hedonic, shallow sense that it is always pleasurable, or feels good. Not that it is always good regardless of cause or effect, because that clearly isn't so. One doesn't do bad things even if they make you happy, nor refrain from good things, even if they don't. If you mean that happiness is always good, only in the sense that it always feels good, then sure, but I don't consider that a very significant good.

I thought that I showed that it clearly doesn't follow that commending something implies any active involvement at all. Whether something is possible or not is difficult to say before hand, and affecting the success or flourishing of commendable traits beyond a shallow sense can only possible be reasonable for people that are close to you, even if merely possible for anyone. We have to manage our time practically, logical possibility has little to do with that.

I still don't understand why an obligation to oneself isn't as significant, and can be waived by one to someone else can't be. I mean, clearly physically, and behaviorally they both can be waived. There are consequences for both as well, just of different kinds.

No it isnt that some unhealth states involve happiness, its that excessive happiness itself generates them, and if this itself is possible then happiness isnt paramount.

You need to do more than assert the oughts and ought nots. Give reasons.

Thats how debts work that others have to me, which isnt the same thing as an obligation to oneself.

1 is false, mania is excessive happiness, and causes impulsiveness, and reduced quality. Bi-polar is the only mental illness actually correlated with creativity, because one is super productive during manic periods, but destructive, separating the wheat from the chafe during depressive periods. Same with taking a lot of sweet drugs, one is extra creative, but destroyer of worlds on the down turn. One feels much much better than the other, but that has little to do with how good they are. Excess in either direction, or one without the other is unhealthy.

2. As long as commending something doesn't make it good, then okay.

3. No necessarily true, I can commend qualities, skills, appearances, activities in others without then feeling it necessary to get myself involved with their being brought about. One isn't so multifaceted.

4 is a nonsequitur, from 3. Need something more than that, without spiraling into an absurdly full schedule.

5 I do six logically impossible things before breakfast. Plus this is asserted here, without explanation. Why is waiving obligations work like that?

6 Assertio.

7 Unestablished

8 Mushy, and unshown.

Your agreement doesn't make something sensible, or right. Mine does.

Doesn't anyone else play violent video games, or saw someone shot on tv? The police basically are the only ones that are going to warn you that they have a weapon, if their plan is to actually use it. If someone was planning to shot or knife you, then you wouldn't know that until bullets or knives were already inside your body.

If someone shows you a weapon, that means that they don't plan to kill you with it, they plan to intimidate you with it, and if you've taken some moron gun or knife defense course, and figure that you'll just take it from them, then your plan is to escalate the situation, rather than deescalate. Maybe you do get it from them, maybe you do, but there is also a good chance that you don't, and just get yourself killed for no reason instead.

I don't think that things are so bleak, and I have faith in truth and reason, and people to recognize them. The greatest danger is simply silence, out of fear of not fitting in, basically. I think though, compared to most points in history, and most places currently on the planet, we're doing pretty damn good.

It's always out of superiority complexes or cowardice that we want to restrict freedom, because we think others are stupid and dangerous, and that's a stupid and dangerous thing to think.

Why the scare quotes then? I don't grasp the nuance.

Yeah, too much freedom... not nearly enough bondage...

It's both. There is an essence of what it means to be human, humane, and you have to chose it.

I don't tend to be super interested in religious debates.

Better get some specialized knife dodging training. Axe block, compromise your footing, joint lock, double back flip.

Qualifying things as already good or reasonable doesn't immediately gain my confidence. You can say it isn't a slippery slope, but at least where I come from the kitchen isn't considered an armory.

The lie is that happiness is all that important at all, which is psychologically just extroversion minus neuroticism, or there are plenty of drugs that will do the trick. Why should the highest conception of existence be a hedonic pleasure cruise? People care more about significance, reality, and meaning than happiness. If you could live in a hologram with artificial people that did nothing but tell you how great you are, with drugs keeping you in constant bliss, would you want that? Isn't that undesirable because it would be hollow?

There is something to be said about emotional maturity. The emotionally mature know how to regulate themselves, in most, hopefully all of the dimensions. They do grinding meticulous work to achieve that virtue, which is an uphill battle. It wouldn't be rare if it wasn't difficult, and suffered. One doesn't eat all the cookies because it feels good, or just do whatever they want for personal happiness. They eat right, exercise, sleep at regular intervals, restrain themselves from emotional outbursts, listen even when they don't like what is being said, and demonstrate the virtues they wish others to adopt.

I definitely don't have it all figured out or anything, but I do take culture and tradition seriously, the things that were maintained for centuries, even millennia were done so for damn good reasons, and not out of ignorance or stupidity.

Responsibility is taken on, it's what adults do for children, and what the children hopefully eventually do for themselves.

You seem to be saying that novelty grows out of imitation in varies way or whatever, which is saying that it isn't all imitation. I'm not disagreeing with that.

Because to do something new, is to no longer be imitating something in existence. You can't have both things. Either it is all a big cosmic closed circle jerk of limitation, or it's open, and there is the possibility for something that isn't just imitating something already in existence.

I never said that. I said that they aren't opposed.

Well, being a leader means taking more responsibility. As power goes up, so does responsibility. The point though, is like Jesus, they take all of the responsibility, but not necessarily any of the guilt.

Well, I didn't mean to imply that I thought that imitation was opposed to originality, or novelty. I don't think that it is wise, or likely that you'll both reinvent the wheel, and do it better than ever from scratch or anything. I think that you have to move through influences, and surpass them for sure, but my point was only that it isn't all imitation, and can't be, but not that it totally isn't involved or anything.

I also think that you can be original, without being novel. Doing the same thing as someone else isn't necessarily unoriginal, if it did actually originate with you, even if it isn't new, and others have independently come upon the same thing. Both originality and novelty are epistemically, bound, as you can only really say "new to me", as you aren't omniscient.

How reckless.

Some do think that guns makes them safer, but I think that the debate tends to be more phrased as freedom vs safety, smaller government and "nanny state". So whether it made people safer or not I don't think is the issue for most that are pro gun rights.

Everyone should just get sweet knife defense courses. Obviously not a slippery slope when things have gotten that ridiculous.