I do. Real news can make mistakes. Fake news on the other hand "is a form of news consisting of deliberate disinformation or hoaxes ... written and published usually with the intent to mislead in order to damage an agency, entity, or person, and/or gain financially or politically, often using sensationalist, dishonest, or outright fabricated headlines to increase readership." — Michael

Pretty good description of what people are regularly fed by CNN, the NYT and the rest of the so-called mainstream media.
How many have apologized for this fake Trump bashing news that was splattered all over recenty?

Honestly don't think we've seen such a deference to capital ever in the modern age? — Maw

What does "deference to capital" mean?

And with this recession you won't go back to a hunter gatherer society. — ssu

I do not think so either, but that seemed to be what you wanted. All I was saying is that you can not separate the "economy" from the people. I have no problem with financial schemes collapsing, but a lockdown of a country effects the real world, the physical economy. You need things to be produced and delivered and basic services provided, For that you need people out there doing physical things and some sort monetary system to reward them for that. It sounded like you were trying to separate "the economy" from "the people". If that was not you meant, sorry.

Just a few of my favs: — praxis

Many of the people in DACA, no longer very young, are far from ‘angels.’ Some are very tough, hardened criminals.
--> not a lie

I was the person who saved Pre-Existing Conditions in your healthcare.
--> needs context, looks like hyperbole

'Years of economic decay are over' because Trump 'reversed the failed economic policies of the previous administration.'
--> not a lie

Some of the Democrats have been talking about ending (coverage for) pre-existing conditions.
--> needs context, looks like hyperbole

In many places, like California, the same person votes many times. You probably heard about that. They always like to say 'oh that's a conspiracy theory.' Not a conspiracy theory, folks. Millions and millions of people.
--> not a lie

Over the last two years, the number of murders in America and America’s major cities has dropped, unlike here (Chicago), by more than 10%.
--> don´t know, sounds probably

Originally "almost all models predicted" Dorian would hit Alabama.
--> don´t know, needs context

California "admitted" there were "a million" illegal votes in the 2016 presidential election.
--> don´t know, sounds very plausible

There has never been, ever before, an administration that’s been so open and transparent.
--> not a lie

"The noise (from windmills) causes cancer.
--> probably nonsense, sounds like hyperbole.

Democrats let him (cop killer Luis Bracamontes) into our country," and "Democrats let him stay."--> not a lie

Everywhere Marie Yovanovitch went turned bad," including Somalia and Ukraine.
--> not a lie

Nancy Pelosi, Adam Schiff, and the rest of the corrupt Democrats made a promise to their crazy left-wing base that they would impeach me even BEFORE I took office.
--> not a lie

Today I opened a major Apple Manufacturing plant in Texas that will bring high paying jobs back to America.
--> not a lie

So that is a list of the worst "lies" that you can think of? Thanks for making my point about the credibility of these lists.

Now do you have a comment about the vicious lies that the "mainstream" media tells us every day, from the claim that only CNN is allowed to read Wikileaks to staged muslim peace demonstrations, to "good people" Charleston lie to the "fish tank cleaner as miracle cure" lie? I only need to turn on CNN to see the lastes lies, day after day.

Proving beyond doubt that either you're terminally stupid - which I doubt - or vicious in the way of weasels and liars. The subject is not the size of anyone's inaugural, but rather lying about it. — tim wood

Political hyperbole is not "lying". By that standard, all politicians lie, any time, all the time. So again, is that the greatest "lie" you can think of?

Really?...what about this one: — ZhouBoTong

I answered that. I do not know had the friggin "greatest" inauguration, and I do not care. Maybe his Majesty Barrack Obama had a greater inaugoration in your mind. Why is that relevant?
So is that the greatest, most profound "lie" that you can think of?

You're a disgrace, nobeernoballs. And DJT, for whatever reasons, is a liar. Actually worse, but in any case that. But you're not interested in the truth or anything like that, are you, nobeernoballs? — tim wood

I do not know what your name-calling is about. I know the "mainstream" media slogan about Trump being a "liar", but everytime I partially checked some of those lists of lies, I only found distortions, misinterpretations or outright false claims.
The lies by the "mainstream" however have been non-stop, vicious, and dangerous, the last one being the claim that Trump asked people to drink fish tank desinfectant as a Corona cure. That was just beyond the pale. Completely disgusting. But while most media outlets have since retracted the claim, some just let it stand and changed the topic.

What is the worst lie that you are blaming Trump for?

Any facts in your world? Or do you just take it straight from the tube? Let's try a really simple one. Did DJT have the largest, greatest, best inaugural as he claimed - insisted upon? — tim wood

I do not know or care. Do you want to fact-check every frigging piece of trivia that some politician says? Or only DJT?

Not true. We are good to each other for the same reason other social animals are good to each other. — Athena

That is is correct. Empathy and unselfish behaviour exists in all evolved species that live in societies.

About six years ago my wife and I were in a transition, moved to another state, and considered Obamacare between employers. It was affordable. — praxis

Good for you. I do not see what your anecdotal evidence has to do with the basic points I made.

Am I missing something? — christian2017

I think you are missing the entire science of quantum physics. Not that I claim to understand it, but listen to some lectures on that topic and have your mind boggled.

A little detail like the claim of "massive" taxation and regulation? I can see how that would get in the way. Affordable as in meaning that around 30 million Americans could afford to purchase health insurance, whereas before they could not afford it. Taxes increased for many, but not "massively." — praxis

I do not know the details of that thing, and I doubt that you do, seeing almost none of the people passed actually read it. (Remember Pelosi "we have to pass it to see what is in it"). I also remember that it only became legal after a Supreme Court judge decided to re-define the punishment for non-participants a "tax" (which proponents of the thing had denied it was), so right off the bat it was based on massive taxation by definition. And I remember that the designer of the thing admitted publicly that it was designed to fail and only meant as a stepping stone to ultimate state-run nationalized medicine, along the the lines of the NHS. I pointed that out to you several times, maybe the reading problem is on your side?

Anyway, my main point was only that any law claiming to make someting "affordable" is a contradiction in terms. You can not legislate affordability.

I pointed that out to you several times too, you seem to have missed that.

Which is totally crazy. Economic recession isn't the same as an all out nuclear strike in the US. Recession is a time when wealth changes hands and people are unemployed. And economic growth starts when everybody is all doom and gloom. — ssu

No, it is not crazy. Economic activity is necessary for people to live.... we can not go back to a hunter gatherer society. I think you are spoiled by having always a shop with shelves full of food stuffs nearby.... there are places where that is not the case.

Do you see a cutting remark in that quote? I could be wrong, but that appears to be a disrespectful comment, a cutting remark. That is what I mean by your post carry a knife. Often they come with cutting comments. — Athena

Sorry, I still do not know what you are prattling about. As I said, I am interested in discussing topics, not people.

Insert gays and women harmed by homophobic and misogynous religions to this quote. You should get an idea of what you should be doing with the homophobic and misogynous mainstream religions if you live by the golden rule. — Gnostic Christian Bishop

I really see only one that is homophobic and misogynous. The plural is virtue signalling. Can´t upset the echo chamber, can we now.

What kinda of criticisms make sense about Trump? Any examples? — DingoJones

I have criticised his initial Corona rethoric right here, remember? (The PR, not the actions.)

It makes buying health insurance within reach for more Americans. — praxis

Not getting bogged into details, but if you do not see the contradiction in a government claiming to be able to make things "affordable" by massive regulation and taxation. And as I reminded you, even the designer of this thing said that it was designed to fail.

Does this criticism make sense to you? — Relativist

No. Didn´t read it in detail, but right off the bat I see so many loaded assumptions, it is clear this is another hit piece. And what else to expect from the Brookings Institute. Your next source is maybe the NYT?

Stimulus deal bars Trump's businesses from Treasury Department loans

@Nobeernolife

Damn, I was all geared up to get deranged about this. — praxis

No, you should get wet in your pants about this, Orangeman´s family takes isnt this just what you have been cackling for?

I am surprised, but then again not. This is not the Biden or Clinton clan we are talking about here.

What criteria do you use to distinguish between TDS and legitimate criticism of Trump? How do you know when a person who has a negative even anti-trump perspective is motivated/caused by TDS? — DingoJones

I ask if the criticism makes sense or not. BS like blaming Trump when some morons drink fish tank desinfectant does not. Continue at will.

If we are all sick, and ignorant of it, then why engage with us? It can't be the challenge because we are all so stupid, — Monitor

Dont know who "we" is but, confirmation bias and virtue signalling are human conditions.You are right, I should not waste time on social media, but by the same token, why do you continue to parrot the crap you hear on CNN on this site? It is not like you are going to convince a dissident, all you do is get browny points from your fellow echo chamber residents. So, same question.

The reality I've encountered has nothing to do with CNN/NYT & etc. — tim wood

Yeah, I know they all say that. And then I turn on CNN in the morrning and see the same talking points that I just read from the TDS crowd on social media. Been around long enough to know the pattern.

You doubt that the ACA resulted in millions more Americans with health insurance? — praxis

Maybe, but at what cost? I was just pointing out that the concept of a giant bureaucracy mandating anything "affordable" by passing a 20,000 page package of new laws is laughable. Even the designers of that law admitted that it was designed to fail.... just meant as a stepping stone to socialed medicine. (Which you can defend, if you want.... just do not pretend that it is particularly affordable or efficient.)

2) The President is worried about the economic recession and wants to loosen the "lock down". — ssu

That is childish thinking. Without an economy, everybody dies. Key economic sectors have to function (just to provide food and basic services), and the industries that can be shut down for a while need to restart at some point.
I was just watching the debate in the German parliament where they are going to pass a comprehensive Corona emergency packet, and even the far out opposition parties (both left and right) agree that the restrictions on movement and the government support that is planned can only be maintained for a limited time. A government is not some sort of god.

Trump is completely correct in saying that the cure must be worse than the disease, In a world without derangement syndrome, that would just be a common sense statement.

I did forget to mention Trump’s failure to repeal and replace the ACA. Not to worry though, if he’s reelected they’re on track to make healthcare insurance unaffordable to tens of millions of Americans, just like it was in the good old days before Obama. — praxis

Oh right. Obama made healthcare affordable by passing an "affordable healthcare act". Gee, how brilliant! I suggest then than Trump signs a "Cure Corona Act", and the Corona will be gone. Maybe after that an "Eternal health and wealth for all forever" act, and everybody will live forever.

I just love simple minds. Would you like buy a used car from me?

I just hope china doesn't get more global influence from this. My job depends on English speaking countries holding the power — Evil

I so much hope that this is a wake-up call for the globalists and the start of some de-coupling from the PRC.

I was just wondering; are you a guy or a gal?
I know your avatar is a female but wanted to confirm this. — Gnostic Christian Bishop

Thanks for your interest, but I am into talking about topics and not discussing "me" or "you".
Now do you admit that your claim that the pope financed nazi death camps was false?

Trump doesn't understand it, but NOW the crash and dire economic situation is not going to be blamed on him. He won't have Joe Biden saying like Clinton to Bush "It's the economy, stupid!" Any idiot will understand that this recession has happened because we still put human life before money. — ssu

Err... and why exactly? Corona was created in China and not by Trump. And this is the Corona thread not the Trump thread.

Everyone can see Trump’s failure in reviving coal and the industrial sector in general, at least in terms of jobs, so investing in green tech, as well as other progressive initiatives, could be seen as a reasonable alternative if properly presented.
One can dream. — praxis

Is it so hard to keep the orangemanbad rants on the Trump thread and out of the Corona thread?

Hum, that is true, but for some reason, your posts seem to carry a knife. — Athena

My posts carry a knife? What is that even supposed to mean??

Perhaps your post would be more pleasant if you understood what we can understand depends on what you already know. When people are from different cultures are trying to communicate, what they know will be different, and these people may have trouble understanding each other. Stop finding fault in the poster, and take this cultural difference into consideration. — Athena

Reading comprehension? I did not find "fault in the poster", I said the reference that he posted does not match the claim. Nothing to do with culture.

Your first post referred to migrants as "illegal" but now you seem to be attacking the laws regarding asylum itself. — Michael

Sophistry. You know very well that these laws are massively abused. Yes, you can call the hordes storming the Greek border with encouragement from Erdogan now "legal" if they simply mutter the magic word, but if you do not see how that defies common sense, I cant help you.

No, I'm pretty sure you have to also show that you're in danger if you return home. You can't just claim asylum and that be the end of it. — Michael

...and you know very well that this "proof" simply consists of unverifiable claims, which are simply accepted by an overloaded system. If you do not see that the generous asylum system set up Western Europe is criminally abused for illegal mass immigration, I can not help you. It no wonder that goverments in Eastern Europe call Merkel, Macaron et al crazy.

Probably not a good idea for Trump to start easing restrictions. — Michael

I dont think it is Trump alone who decides that on a whim. You can be pretty sure he has expert virologists who are looking at the situation and know more about it than you or I.

If I curse a pedophile protecting pope, or a death camp promoter and accomplish, does it matter which one of the many I name when speaking in general terms? — Gnostic Christian Bishop

I do not know what you prattling about. You claimed that the pope at the financed Nazi death camps, and the "reference" you provided described something different. I was simply asking to cut down on hyperbole and use more clear language.
And whatever Catholic priests did in Croatia, it does not change the fact that the Muftii of Jerusalem was advising Hitler and recruiting muslim Nazi SS regiments.

They're not illegal if they have a right to asylum. But nice xenophobism. — Benkei

Yeah, the is the globalist mantra. So Europeans are now refused at the borders, but if you mutter the magic word "asylum" it does not matter who you are or where you are from... you are welcomed into the welfare system. And if people complain about that, they are "xenophobic", I know, I know.

Specifically this tweet, and this article. — NOS4A2

You do realize that the tweet you mentioned and the subsequent "mainstream" media press coverage is a prime example of fake news? Trump of course NEVER recommended that anyone self-medicates with fish tank desinfectant.... but for the "mainstream" media there is level they are not willing to sink to. Truly the enemy of the people.

Did what pretty well? — tim wood

Reduce globalism, protect the borders, scale down stupid foreign wars... pretty much what he promised. Gee, a politician who actually tries to meet his campain promises. Of course he is not perfect, but given that he is under round-the-clock attack from the media and power establishment, quite impressive. Others would have cracked. But of course, if you have consumed 4 years of CNN/NYT etc indoctrination for 4 years, you probably see a different reality.

I have never understood this automatic presupposition, that the default position, the null hypothesis, on anything Trump does has to be without regarding any of his history whatsoever. The world has had 4 years to watch what he has done and said and it is well documented; but according to the right he awakes each morning with a clean slate, to be judged only on the allowable spin that the public will bear on that day. — Monitor

Well what I have seen in the 4 years is that Trump did pretty well, while being non stop attacked by the polical opponents and their propaganda arm in the so called mainstream media.. Clearly, we are watching 2 different movies.

Now look at this bumbling fool and tell me THAT is the guy you prefer to have in charge during a national crisis
https://www.powerlineblog.com/archives/2020/03/slow-joes-slow-pitch.php

This is my point. In the 1970's there was a lot of terrorism in Europe, yet the issue was treated more as a police matter. Now similar attacks would case a different reaction. And likely after this ordeal the way we respond to possible outbreaks is going to change. — ssu

Now the terrorism is pretty much ignore by the politicians and media. Is that what you suggest for corona?