I am weak on the details. I read that Germany closed its borders. — fishfry

It has, Except to illegal migrants who say the magical world asylum. Same as Sweden.
Brilliant, arent they.

So, life as normal. These are changes in degree, not fundamental. — Benkei

Gradual changes eventually lead to fundamental changes. It is the old question of how to boil a frog.

I'm Dutch. I'm not in any US-centred bubble. — Benkei

The European "mainstrteam" media is every bit on the Trump hating, globalist wagon as the American. This is not about geographic location.

They built a huge hospital in ten days. They staffed a ward with robots. They are way ahead of the game. — Baden

You believe news emanating from the CCP??

It isn't easy, but South Korea (and others) have done it. — Andrew M

...and South Koreas death rate is 8 times higher than Japan, that has not done it. So that proves what?

I know, it's so selfish. — Monitor

It is. Points for failed attempt at sarcams>=: Nill

You're pretty new here so you don't know what gets my blood pressure up. I certainly don't swear with cutesy made up names for people when I'm angry. It's all in good fun. This particular example would just be the typical corruption endemic to US politics. — Benkei

The orange monster getting bailed out by tax money? Oh my. I am glad that your blood pressure is OK, but you can see the screaming headlines and your triggered fellow CNN./NYT bubble dwellers, can you not? It will be glorious.

Remind me again. TDS stands for Trump Defense Syndrome endemic under Trumpanzees right? — Benkei

Yawn... ok ok

I don't see why companies ought to be bailed out. If taxpayers save companies that would otherwise go bankrupt, they should own it. It's the typical corruption that allows the vested interests to have cake and eat it too. — Benkei

Well, no matter what you think about it, companies will still asking for it. And in some cases, they have a good argument. I don´t want to get bogged down into arguing which should and which should not (for some reason, banks always seem to have priority). I was just warning you of the oncoming big trigger event, because hotels WILL ask for bailouts. So watch your blood pressure.

https://adarapress.com/2015/05/15/roman-catholic-priests-ran-half-the-concentration-camps-in-croatia/
Care to make an ass of yourself again.
That is the last time I do ypour research for you. Lazy is as lazy does. — Gnostic Christian Bishop

OK. That is an interesting article. Not sure how accurate the source (which seems very nationalistic Serbian), but it certainly sounds like there is some dirt there.
But the article is about Catholic priests running death camps in Croatia.

Your claim that was that "The Vatica financed the Nazi death camps". I still see no evidence for that.

If you were talking about Catholic priests and Croatia, why didn`t you say that?

No, that's just arrogance. — Benkei

Yeah, if it comes from OrangeOtan, I know. If it came from someone you like, you would gloat about it.
Anyway,,,,,

I see an interesting situation coming up very soon. Some industries are especially hard hit by the whole Corona thing, so politicians will be starting about bailouts. Some of the hardest hit are the travel and hotel industries. Of course they will be asking for help. Now.... OrangeHitler is in the hotel business. Can you see where this is going?

Just warning you.... lots of triggered people in the TDS community very soon. Better find a safe space.

No, you're just engaging in fantasy science.
If people are getting the disease they can transmit it to vulnerable people while they have the disease. — boethius

I hate to be repeating myself, but what I described is PRECISELY the approach that every virologist who wants to achieve herd immunity prescribes. Clearly, you can not isolate the complete herd (someone has to get your groceries), and on the other side, clearly you do not want the vulnerable to get infected.

Man dies after self-medicating with chloroquine
Be careful. — Michael

Have you considered that that is precisely the reason why the medical advisor (forgot his name now), was downplaying Trumps optimistic statement? Image the frenzy, where suddenly everybody thinks there is a magic cure, and some people who want the stuff have guns.
It seems the stuff works, but clearly it needs to be used very carefully, and also there are probably supply problems.

Herd immunity from getting the disease happens in 2 parts:

1. People getting the disease and their immune system learning to deal with it and becoming immune.
2. People getting the disease and dying from it and no longer being part of the herd.

There is no way to have 1 without 2. This is why an epidemiologists thought this idea was satire when he first heard about it. — boethius

I think you can, and I think that is what the countries who follow this approach are trying achieve. If there are enough immune people in the herd, the virus will not find enough new targets to spread and fizzle out by itself. The problem is that to keep those who would die from the virus (the sick and elderly) separated, while the virus burns through the herd.

Take your BS to the Trump thread like I said. — Baden

Fine, but say that to the TDS crowd too, please.

That's true if you have comprehensive testing and tracing in place. If a state waits until they're treating sick people to get serious, they're already up to two weeks behind the virus spread and with no knowledge of where exactly it is. — Andrew M

I think overestimate how easy it is to introduce "comprehensive testing and tracing". Especially if you are in a free society and not in Communist China.

Afaik, there is no European county that has duplicated the very fast and radical reactions of the governments of Taiwan, Korean, and Singapore. (And mainland China of course, but their reaction came after 2 months of denial, suppression of news, and outright lies).

Most European countries have been taking preventative measures for about a month. — fdrake

There have been very different reactions in European countries, based on different philosophies. As late as Feb 1, they had a "Hug a Chinese" day in Florence, to make sure not to be accused of "racism":
https://pluralist.com/hug-a-chinese-florence-coronavirus/

You accuse everyone who here who criticizes Trump of having TDS. That's not nuance. That's slavish devotion. — Baden

No, I critize the automatic, emotional, content-less, kneejerk criticism of OrangeOtan as TDS. I critize Trump myself when I think is wrong. That not "slavish devotion".

Maybe we should just talk about coronavirus and leave the orangeutan/saviour of the world (take your choice) out of it for a while. — Baden

Is the choice really between orangeutan and saviour of the world? No nuanced opinions allowed any more? This tribe mentality really is the problem today. If you do not join one tribe, the members automatically assume you belong to the other. Not a good basis for communication....

Whether I'm hypocrite or snowflake notwithstanding, the point is that there is a consistent disdain for Trump that goes beyond rationality, — Hanover

Yep. It is obvious, but once you call it TDS, you get blamed for name calling, you Trumpanzee....

You're asking me this because you are at a loss of examples of countries who are managing the disease well? What did Japan do? Or South Korea? — Benkei

South Korea took an extremely aggressive approach, Japan still has no curfew, no official limit on public gatherings, no pub closures, no testing at the airport, no mass checks like Korea. What Japan does have is controlled borders, a travel stop from China (at the same time as the US, as far as I remember), and cancellation of official events. And a very cohesive culture with high hygiene and little unnecessary touching. And a very low Corona rate.
I think you are cherry-picking from a complex broad situation, trying to find snippets that fit into a "blame Trump" narrative.

You were politely asked to present an argument showing how it’s productive to use this term. — praxis

It is descriptive, not productive. Do you think terms like Trumpanzees and OrangeOtan are either?

The entire point of TDS is an attempt to invalidate opposing views. Even you must realize this on some level. — praxis

Well, if the "opposing view" is so predictable, emotional, repetitive, and consisting mostly of slogans, and is met with name-calling instead of explanations, it is really hard to take it other than as a condition. For which TDS is a good description.
Of course, there are rational critics of Trump (Scott Adams is one), but they argue completely differently.

So you and a cartoonist making a medical diagnosis. Is this somehow productive? — praxis

Well, Adams is also a trained hypnotist and looks at the human situation from that point. I am following him because he is insightful and has an incredibly good track record. Of course, if all you know about him is that he is a "cartoonist", then you would not know.
Anyway, I did agree that TDS can be misunderstood as personal name-calling, But surely you agree that it is not on the same level as "Trumpanzees" or "Orange-Otan".

But it is not a real medical situation and you know it. And who cares what Scott Adams says? Is he your authority? — Monitor

No I don´t know that at all. This kind of mass hysteria really looks like a medical situation; this is actually something that happens to humans easily. And Scott Adams gives extremely good insights, I have been following him for a while find him spot on again and again. You might want to check him out.

How helpful and convenient that anyone who has a different point of view is rendered unable to think on your level because they are sick. — Monitor

Err, no, that was not was I am saying. Don´t fall into Cathy Newman mode here...

So it turns out the Spanish Flu didn't actually originate in Spain. Top contenders are France, Britain, China, and the United States. It's only known as the Spanish Flu because France, Britain, and the United States were suppressing news about it due to WWI, and so all the news came from Spain. — Michael

Yeah, and guess what... nobody screams about "racism" because we call it the Spanish flue.

This coming from you of all people. — praxis

Yeah, I have been talking about TDS, which I see as real medical situation. (Scott Adams says the same.) That is not meant as name-calling, but I can see that some take it as such. However, I always try to stay away from calling people things like "libtards", matching Benkei`s level of communication. No?

OK snowflake. Or instead you can take that comment in the context that it was made, with fellow Trumpanzees defending the orange-oetan's ineptitude with "typical optimism" and accusing others of "politising" and creating "hoaxes". Where's your outrage at those games, huh? — Benkei

It is really difficult to write opinions without inventive name-calling, isn`t it? Ever considered that is not only not an argument, but also counterproductive?

How did terrorism change our lives? I haven't experienced any fundamental changes except air travel became more of a hassle. — Benkei

No concrete barriers around Xmas markets to protect from sudden jihad syndrome? No forests of CCTV cameras around Jewish schools? No barricades and entry checks around beer gardens? Maybe you don´t have it in your town, but it is certainly spreading in Europe. I am old enough to remember a time before all that.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-7701241/Ring-steel-formed-festive-markets-despite-downgraded-UK-terror-threat-substantial.html

https://www.google.ca/search?sxsrf=ALeKk01cRuLSCZaWSH9MMYr1Z3E5KESRvA%3A1584976587991&source=hp&ei=y9J4Xpu-OdSztQbE04CgDw&q=Vatican+bank+hitler&oq=Vatican+bank+hitler&gs_l=psy-ab.3...999.12437..13438...2.0..0.145.2191.3j16......0....1..gws-wiz.......0j35i39j0i131j0i22i30j33i21.kIYgjEeQLhA&ved=0ahUKEwjbz4H08bDoAhXUWc0KHcQpAPQQ4dUDCAc&uact=5 — Gnostic Christian Bishop

That link leads to an article about Nazi gold allegedly stored in sevaral overseas banks, including the Vatican bank. OK, I agree it is possible there is some hidden dirt there.
However, your claim was that "the Vatican financed death camps". So I assume that claim was wild hyperbole?

No harm no foul for Senator Burr either. Just being optimistic with the public while privately telling his friends there was a disaster coming and selling hundreds of thousands of dollars in hotel and other stocks. Politicians like Trump and Burr j — Baden

I have no sympathy for this Burr guy, but how do get to Trump? Trump separated himself from his business when taking office, and his business IS friggin hotels, which is the sector most hard hit by this.

This TDS really screws with peoples heads.

Luke 19:27 But those enemies of mine who did not want me to be king over them—bring them here and kill them in front of me. — Gnostic Christian Bishop

I looked this one up, and apparently it is a FABLE told by Jesus. It is NOT a call by Jesus/God to hate and fight the Jews/Muslims/Hindus etc.

So it does not support your claim that the Allah is comparable to Yahwe. Do you have another passage, or do you admit you were wrong?

Too dumb for words, especially after you wrote the following you stupid dumb ass.
"So you don´t. I call BS on that, unless you can provide a reference."
I have your double standard now you pathetic hypocrite. — Gnostic Christian Bishop

I am not sure what your name-calling is supposed to mean. I told you that your assumption that phrase "people of the book" in the Koran refers to muslims is wrong. Which can verify very easily.

Instead of saying "thanks, I was wrong", you type vulgarities at me. Why?

If you are too stupid to do your own research----- — Gnostic Christian Bishop

I looked for your the claim that the pope funded death camps, and I could not find any reference. Please give a hint what "research" I should do to find that.

I’m actually claiming that about you. Abraham is a prophet of Islam. Therefore, Allah is the god of abraham. — Alvin Capello

I know that is the claim. Are you new to this thread? What I am saying is that that claim implies that Allah is schizophrenic,

Allah does not instruct his followers to hate the followers of the god of abraham. In fact, there are numerous verses where he says the opposite. — Alvin Capello

Nope. The Koran is full of verses hating the "people of the book".

The verses about killing infidels mainly refer to the arabic polytheists of the time. — Alvin Capello

Polytheists are also mentioned, separately from the "people of the book". They are not the same.

The term ‘People of the Book’ in the Koran refers to Muslims, Christians, and Jews. — Alvin Capello

If you claim it refers to muslims, then Allah is hating his own followers, which means taking the insanity to a whole new level, LOL

The term ‘People of the Book’ in the Koran refers to Muslims, Christians, and Jews. — Alvin Capello

No it does not. It refers to Christians and Jews.

Abraham is a prophet of Islam, so why would Allah hate the followers of the god of Abraham? He would have to hate his own followers — Alvin Capello

That was my question to the people who claim that the Yaweh = Allah. Obviously, if that is the case, he is schiizophrenic.

Two: Quote the Koran passage where Allah says "I hate the followers of the god of Abraham." Give a citation. — Frank Apisa

They are called "the people of the book" in the Koran, which is chock-full of hatred of them. You are seriously unaware of that?

Not at hand but the Jesuits were implicated as well as a section of the Vatican whose label I have forgotten that are charged with pushing the Vatican's ideology.
They have changed the name of that branch of late but it is still alive and well. — Gnostic Christian Bishop

So you don´t. I call BS on that, unless you can provide a reference.

Can you try to stick to things you know instead of spouting conspiracy theories?

Did he, like the pope provide staff for the death camps as well as funding? — Gnostic Christian Bishop

Not that I know. The Mufti advised Hitler and and helped in recruiting muslim SS regiments.

Do you have a reference for the idea that the Pope financed death camps?