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Donald Trump (All General Trump Conversations Here)1. We're not done yet. 2. you're pretending everything being done to avoid the spread in the Netherlands had no effect. 3. If you look at countries with shitty policies, death rates are much higher than the flu.
No amount of stupidity is going to make you right. -
Donald Trump (All General Trump Conversations Here)Zoals mijn buren die in het ziekenhuis werk? Randdebiel.
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Donald Trump (All General Trump Conversations Here)Jezus wat een domme opmerking. The Netherlands has passed several laws and adjusts its recommendations continually. Everybody that can work from home is. It's these measures that enable us to have statistics similar to other years for the flu. Meanwhile, our healthcare system is starting to creak again under the pressure of covid patients, causing regular health care to be delayed. That's the second time this year. Nothing in this is comparable to influenza.
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Donald Trump (All General Trump Conversations Here)Teflon Don won't be affected by this one way or another. Politically speaking. The lines in the sand in the US have been drawn a while ago.
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Donald Trump (All General Trump Conversations Here)So when can you wish someone were dead? If there are circumstances where it's OK to kill someone, then there certainly must be a lot more circumstances where its OK to wish someone were dead.
Random nobodies on the Internet aren't going to influence anyone so I think it's pretty harmless. It's just people expressing they really don't give a shit about Trump and it has nice shock value with Conservatives (which is ironic as Michael points out). I suspect exactly 0 people here would shoot Trump dead if given the chance. -
Donald Trump (All General Trump Conversations Here)I don't care one way or the other. It would be karma if he dies from covid, considering how many covid deaths he's caused with his bungling of the pandemic.
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Donald Trump (All General Trump Conversations Here)Progress! You compared Trump to a poisonous snake in that analogy. There's hope for you yet.
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Donald Trump (All General Trump Conversations Here)
You're asking why must it be this way
As we're heading for our dying day
In a hole you'll be lying in
In a hole they all hurt in sin
All dressed up and ready to go
I wanna fly like an eagle...
It's not your fault you're the living dead
Cos you were taught just to nod your head
Race of Man is a dying breed
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Donald Trump (All General Trump Conversations Here)Good to see you self identify as a Trumptard. Now run along.
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Donald Trump (All General Trump Conversations Here)Lmao. And our resident Trumptard is still pushing the same line too.
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The Road to 2020 - American ElectionsAre you still going to go third party? https://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/polls/president-general/georgia/
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Donald Trump (All General Trump Conversations Here)Puerto Rico then?
How's it looking for you at this point? Are you going to vote Trump while gagging or Biden while gagging? -
The Value of EmotionsWhere does that picture come from? It's an interesting way of looking at it.
I would consider feeling sad, mad or bad are distinct feelings caused by underlying emotions. I see happy, sad, mad or bad as surface emotional expressions of underlying emotions. For instance, I'm mad because I'm hurt. I'm feeling hurt but I'm acting it out. I could also react by retracting from the world because hurting makes me feel sad. I think my point is that if all you can say "I feel sad/mad/bad/happy" you're actually not even remotely aware of your actual feelings.
That's my totally lay man opinion on the matter. Psychologists are welcome to explain how totally wrong I am!
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The Value of EmotionsEmotions are great. People should try having them and learn there's more besides mad, happy, sad and bad.
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Donald Trump (All General Trump Conversations Here)https://gdpr-info.eu/art-9-gdpr/
Perhaps ethnicity is inferred from other data, so this data was never disclosed and that might be how this was avoided but still. Bloody insane. Can you still select your race in Facebook? 15 years ago when I was still using it, that was still possible. I quit it because of all the privacy issues already surrounding Facebook then.
I really hope they will quit the EU. Parasites. -
Donald Trump (All General Trump Conversations Here)What I find rather incredible is that you can collect "race" data in the first place and then even share it with third parties. This would be so incredibly illegal in the EU it wouldn't even be contemplated.
All the more reason we should avoid having our data stored in the US or even handled by companies established there. The only protection is to make sure your data is encrypted in transit and in storage. -
Donald Trump (All General Trump Conversations Here)It's not as if our resident Trumptard doesn't routinely complain about how untrustworthy the MSM is. Don't pay attention to him. If you want to talk to a Conservative, talk to Hanover or ssu.
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Does systemic racism exist in the US?Interesting link. I've never disagreed with the likelihood of the prosecutor not handling the case properly (too early in any case). I've only said that the grand jury couldn't reach much of a different conclusion (aside from the fact if they rubber stamped or not).
I'm not sure how the perjury surrounding the warrant would affect the probable cause for 2nd degree murder though. The causality between that and the shooting is pretty tenuous. Acting wantonly requires the defendant to be aware of and consciously disregards a substantial and unjustifiable risk. Presumably, he should then have been aware of the risk of shooting an innocent at the moment he lied in the affidavit. Proving awareness and conscious disregard with respect to that seems impossible due to the remoteness between the two circumstances.
I also think Walker's shot would be a supervening event breaking whatever causal chain you could establish from the perjury.
I think it's important to remember the law is not about justice - it's policy expressed in law. Not every miscarriage of justice can be fixed in the court room. Not until a lot of laws change. And that will be too late for Breonna Taylor. -
Does systemic racism exist in the US?I don't answer them because your questions are distractions. For you to have an issue with the decision of the grand jury, you need to have grounds to do so. Based on what is known about this case, there's nothing that gives reason to assume it's the wrong decision.
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Does systemic racism exist in the US?It appears it's you who believes there's evidence out there that nobody knows about.
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Does systemic racism exist in the US?What other conclusion was there available to the grand jury then the one they reached based on the available evidence? Based on what we know, the decision is not unexpected and it being such a high profile case it is unlikely wildly different evidence was presented that is still unknown by the public. The point is, even without rubber stamping, this was it.
It's the prosecutor himself who can decide to prosecute in the absence of a grand jury indictment. And he won't in this case because as it appears to me it pivots on whether you can prove, beyond a reasonable doubt, that the cops lied about the knock and announce. I know what I believe to be the case but convincing a jury about the truth behind conflicting witness statements is just not going to lead to a conviction. -
Does systemic racism exist in the US?And yet you persisted in arguing with me. — 180 Proof
With respect to the specific details of how evidence is treated I asked a specific question. Meanwhile, it's pretty clear you just want read into what I wrote what you want to read in it. Nothing you said actually contradicts the original point that the grand jury could not reach a different conclusion than it did, based on the evidence that is publicly available. The two US based lawyers confirmed that but for some reason you've a problem with that coming from me. -
Does systemic racism exist in the US?I asked precisely because I don't know how it works in the US. We don't have a jury and it seems the judge can instruct a jury to disregard certain statements from a witness. In the Netherlands the judge weighs the evidence and has complete freedom in doing so. Of course, that's kept in check by the possibility of appeal and you can get fired by the high court. A flip flopping witness is probably ignored entirely.
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Does systemic racism exist in the US?That's actually wrong. They're definitely not instructed by a prosecutor. The prosecuter decides what subjects the grand jury investigates and drafts the indictment and interrogates witnesses. The grand jury can subpoena evidence and persons (and reach presentments). There's an obligation on the prosecutor to present evidence substantially negating guilt as well. The grand jury is advised on the law by the court.
Given the evidence known, you cannot conclude probable cause because the likelihood of lies isn't sufficient. It's the right call, legally speaking. -
Does systemic racism exist in the US?I think we all feel relatively certain there's been a lot of lying surrounding the knock and announcement. @Hanover what happens with his testimony if he'd be flipped to denying the knock and announce again? Is it then an untrustworthy witness or can you surpress all his statements and get them thrown out as evidence?
I'm pretty certain these cops are guilty of at least manslaughter and it pivots on proving what happened around the knock and announce. -
Does systemic racism exist in the US?Reread my previous posts and my replies below. I stand by what I wrote. — 180 Proof
I did. Your issue seems to be with the prosecutors and not the decision of the jury, which I was explaining appeared to be the correct one. Both explanations can exist next to each other but you seemed to be disagreeing with my assessment on the jury decision, even going so far as claiming I can't tell the difference between a trial and an indictment. Good to know you stand by that too. -
Donald Trump (All General Trump Conversations Here)attempts by some individual elements of the movement to support anti-racist groups such as Black Lives Matter have been met with wariness and skepticism as researchers are unsure if they are genuine or meant to obscure the movement's actual objectives. — Wiki
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Donald Trump (All General Trump Conversations Here)uh no. The definition of boogaloo doesn't support that.
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Donald Trump (All General Trump Conversations Here)If you'd read the two FBI links I shared you'd know lone wolfs first, then white supremacist groups and ultra-national groups. Boogaloo is an obvious, militant, far right group that has been involved in various incidents and two killings just in the past year.
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Does systemic racism exist in the US?Nonsense. There's been no jury trial where "the facts" were cross-examined. And findings in civil suits can play an evidentiary role - if only circumstantial - in criminal proceedings, which is why, if they are prejudicial against the state's case, prosecutors seek to delay civil cases until after related criminal cases are tried. At least, in my understanding, that's what usually happens in the U.S.
The city of Louisville can be subpoenaed to testify why the municipality settled a "wrongful death" lawsuit rather than fight it in court if the relevant evidence was exculpatory. — 180 Proof
Again, on the basis of the facts available to the jury, this was the only conclusion they could reach. That further investigations would unearth additional evidence is neither here nor there. You cannot ask the jury to indict on facts not available to them.
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Does systemic racism exist in the US?I differ. Having taken on the project, they were responsible all the way through for its consequences, including the unintended consequences. To say otherwise is to say they are not responsible for what they do.
Further, there are so many guns in the US that every person and every household must be presumed to have one. Many do not, of course, but that cannot be the presumption. And a question, if bad guys break in and identify themselves as police, what does the defense-minded homeowner do in that case?
And was a break-in necessary? The element of surprise? What good did that do? And who was the more surprised? It was all disgustingly unnecessary and incompetent. Criminally incompetent. — tim wood
Many of which can not be led back sufficiently clearly to actions by the cops. There are a variety of contributory factors, many of which are not proximate causes and ought to be dismissed.
Benkei
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