For what it’s worth, I couldn’t make heads or tails of the OP until I read the wiki page on Stirner.

I get the impression that you’re being evasive for some reason.
— praxis

I don't think he's being evasive, but is perhaps using language which isn't on the right channel for many readers of philosophy forums.

One way out of the endless round and round to nowhere which tends to afflict philosophy forums would be to shift the methodology of investigation from explanations to experience. To me, that's what's being implied by the philosophy being discussed. — Hippyhead

That’s where we got hung up, I was saying that we are always experiencing the absolute and we simply don’t realize it. It’s not like it’s some other reality or metaphysical dimension that we don’t have access to.

I get the impression that you’re being evasive for some reason. Your prerogative of course.

If you’re suggesting a contradiction then what is it?
— praxis

Are you reading the discussion? I doubt so. — Gus Lamarch

That doesn't explain the contradiction, if you believe there is one.

Plotinus compared the One to "light", the Divine Intellect to the "Sun", and lastly the Soul to the "Moon" whose light is merely a "derivative conglomeration of light from the 'Sun'". The first light could exist without any celestial body. — Gus Lamarch

A sun is a celestial body.

Superficial gestures to an ignorant audience. What couldn’t go right?

At least critical race theory is a real thing and not another pathetic ploy.

Rather than teach people to comply with police, saving lives, they teach them to feel indignant and oppressed, putting lives at risk. — NOS4A2

Don’t worry, Trumps new patriotic conditioning project will set the kid’s straight... or just garner a few more votes from people like you.

It’s everything
— praxis

His - Plotinus's - "One" "cannot be any existing thing", nor is it merely the sum of all things, but "is prior to all existents". — Gus Lamarch

If you’re suggesting a contradiction then what is it?

Blacks are also commit a disproportionate number of assaults and murders so they're unfortunately more likely to be in this type of situation where police are looking for a black suspect. You also only cited national statistics which may not be representative of where the bulk of the shootings are taking place. — BitconnectCarlos

People of color are more aggressively policed, studies show. For instance, white Americans don’t use drugs less than black and brown Americans yet they’re disproportionately incarcerated for drug offenses.

Hilarious. :lol:

John McWhorter lays out what it is your dealing with in this topic, and why you are wasting your time trying to discuss the issue with them. Everything you say is going through a religious filter of trigger words and agenda driven placeholder words. Self righteousness is a powerful inoculation against different (and therefore opposing, under this cultish ideology) points of view. — DingoJones

At a glance, his point is simple and easy to appreciate, but rather ironic that he exaggerates the issue to the unrealistic extent of religious devotion.

I’m not sure why that matters since people are capable of overcoming both kinds.

Could you really experience something absolute, or just your deficient version of it in existence? — Gus Lamarch

It’s everything, right? so how can we ever not be expecting it. Maybe the only problem is that we don’t realize the absolute. The Buddha solves the problem by sitting still, Timothy dropped acid, the Dervish twirl, etc, etc. The value is in relieving existential anxiety and anything beyond that probably enters the realm of religion and serves an entirely different purpose.

My question is about how to abstract the One, without the deficiencies caused by our finitude. I came to the thinking that we could arrive at the conception of the One, through the division of concepts. - Ex: We would (?) describe (?) part (?) of the One by mathematics, another part by language, another by metaphysics, reason, emotion, etc ... — Gus Lamarch

In order to... what?

Well, according to the Hearth study that I briefly scanned, the subject of stimulation was stimulated while having sex, another form of stimulation, so apparently it’s not the end-all be-all of stimulation that its being cracked up to be in this thought experiment. Sorry if I’m being a realist and spoiling the fun.

I think you'd be hard-pressed to find anyone who didn't fall prey to it. — RogueAI

Evidence?

Your thought experiment is based on septal stimulation and there’s no evidence that it’s as addictive as you now suggest. Even though I admittedly have poor impulse control and the stimulation may be a challenge to deal with initially, eventually habituation would liberate and I’d be left with a free ass wiper.

I voted yes because having all my physiological needs taken care of for pressing a button every once in a while is too good of a deal to pass on.

Pro-fascist, anti-fascist.... both love the color black and silencing opposition. Horseshoe theory at it's finest. — BitconnectCarlos

Red fascists love red, I would assume.

Like the One, a whole is useless by itself.

Jesus Christ, look to Streetlight who's probably antifa himself. — BitconnectCarlos

Could be he’s pro-fascist and speaks ill of capital as an excuse so that he can wear all black attire. So vain.

Is it arrogance or a difference in motivations? If you’re motivated by the acquisition of power and wealth then it wouldn’t be unexpected to act with cold calculation in order to secure that goal. If you’re motivated to fight for equality, justice, and democracy, and live by such principals, then maybe that’s just who you are and there’s no helping it.

Watched RBG last night. Looks like she had fortunate and fulfilling life, with a wonderful marriage and family, and a shining career. Truly inspiring, and shows that one person can make a difference.

As we Are, our knowledge of the One is deficient;

But through our deficient knowledge of the One, we know that it Is in some "higher" Existence (?) - Meaning (?) Purpose (?) Idea (?); — Gus Lamarch

High is relative to low, meaning is relative to meaningless, purpose is relative to purposelessness, but The One is a cool idea.

Next step? — Gus Lamarch

Experience it.

Shit, and so close.

His archenemy should be Gus Lamarch, a Brazilian highborn ubermensch who possesses the power to corral a mass of mindless minions, and with a mere fib or two, send them out to slaughter the Nihilistas in holy jihad.

Why, then, do people so easily confuse metaphysical concepts related to the absolute? — Gus Lamarch

Because they’re all equally inapplicable. Your Perfection, for instance, is not applicable to **The One** because in order for it to be perfect there would need to be something imperfect to compare it to. It’s equally valid to claim that the almighty One is imperfect.

I was never good at math.

Antifa are anarchists or anti-capitalists and there’s no dirtier word to a Trumpian than anti-capitalist.

And Nietzsche disagrees with you too. — Gus Lamarch

Right, I don’t know how you interpreted otherwise. My fault for being unclear, I suppose.

My understanding, which could be wrong, is that you are in agreement with Nietzsche, and we are not in agreement. My reference to Nietz was only to signify The Enlightenment, because you asked how humanity has matured.

What do you understand when Nietzsche says: — Gus Lamarch

My understanding of why you quote him this way is in effort to substantiate your belief that people require some contrived fiction in order to be lead around like cattle.

We have been living in the "Dominatus" for longer than everyone thinks ... He is not the worst, there are still worst rulers to come - at least for the mean time, I'm in a privileged position - here in Brazil - to watch the fall of the West - commonly known as Europe and North America -. — Gus Lamarch

Lol, true dat, and good luck with your privileged position.

I'm not getting your use of "maturity" to criticize the institutions of order of humanity. In what respect has humanity really matured? In relation to whom? We are what we are, the only thing going foward is time... — Gus Lamarch

Suffice to say as Fredy say: God is dead.

One of the inescapable failings of religion is that it cannot extend beyond the tribe or in-group.
— praxis

The mere fact that Christianity and Islam are multi-cultural religions refutes his argument. — Gus Lamarch

The Enlightenment endows us with the wondrous power to distinguish religion and culture.

Both are religions that do not differ between their converts. That's why we have christian japanese, and muslim american people. — Gus Lamarch

Right, they don’t differ between converts, they differ between in-groups or tribes. Those who subscribe to the same values, moral framework, and exalted purpose.

Religion unifies people more than it divides... — Gus Lamarch

So we agree that it divides, cool. :cool:

What if they let themselves be blinded by another idea for the simple fact that they cannot stand their existence without purpose? — Gus Lamarch

Then obviously they haven’t sufficiently matured.

This is the problem in our current society. — Gus Lamarch

Look at the current democratically elected leader of the free world and tell me that we live in a mature society.

We are denying your "Santa Claus" but we are not putting anything new in its place. — Gus Lamarch

Adults don’t need to be spoon fed a “complex” system of meaning. We’re free to discover meaning and purpose for ourselves. Part of that discovery may include the fulfillment of being part of something greater than ourselves, and significantly in the context of religion, something greater than our tribe. One of the inescapable failings of religion is that it cannot extend beyond the tribe or in-group.

Why do we eventually tell children that there's no Santa Claus? Because it's time for them to grow up.

Metaphysical legitimacy, as you call it, in religion is necessarily derived from a chain of hierarchical authority. This chain is comprised of people, and also doctrine written by people. People are ‘only human’, as the popular saying goes. This realization and the corrosion of this great chain can also lead to a loss of meaning. Meaning can be lost in many ways but the general thrust is simply that we eventually outgrow childish things.

One of the weaknesses of any religion - it seems to me - is that it is partly founded on the belief that metaphysical events can - and should - manifest in the real world, which does not happen. — Gus Lamarch

Rather, religions are weakened by a loss of meaning, which can result from metaphysical events failing to manifest.

It's only self-gratification at the expense of others' gratification that's blameworthy. — Pfhorrest

I should point out that I was probably being more self-gratifying than serious, and it was about praise rather than blame. Regardless of that I disagree with your statement simply because we can reproach ourselves for the cost that self-gratification has on us as individuals. Our reproach need not be so melodramatic as to require whip and tote, of course, unless you’re into that sort of thing.

Savoring a sense of superiority is certainly self gratifying, as is masturbation. I can agree with you that far, but I question the worth you place on it.

Not long ago I recall NOS being criticized for the quality of his posts and him replying, “In my defense, I have more mentions than comments.” It was pointed out to him that this could indicate trolling behavior, in which case it would be further damning rather than a defense. Trolling is essentially self gratifying, like masturbation or relishing a sense of superiority. If you accused someone of being a poor lover and they said, “Well, in my defense, I enjoy masturbation,” it would not be a defense. It would show how utterly disconnected they had become, due to their habit of self gratification.

Self gratification has low worth and should remain unsung.

The elation felt in a sense of superiority should be praised?
— praxis

Not praised, but enjoyed. It's like praising someone else's orgasm. None of my business. But feeling my own is certainly worth it. — god must be atheist

Given this sentiment, I imagine that your talent as a lover is unsung.