Interesting. Ivanishvili pulling the strings in the field of culture. https://eadaily.com/en/news/2025/01/29/parasites-bregvadze-and-kikabidze-ivanishvili-pays-those-who-are-against-him

3,350 is the number of people working in the field of culture and sports, to whom the founder of the Georgian Dream, entrepreneur Bidzina Ivanishvili, has been paying monthly salaries out of his own pocket for many years.

:rofl:

If you consider Bidzina Ivanishvili a traitor, a dictator, dear ladies and gentlemen, please count how much money you received from this "traitor", "dictator" and "russoblud" as creative help, and return it back to him in full or at least in parts, monthly, exactly as he paid them to you. And then I may believe that you are real patriots and know how to be principled in deeds, and not just in words.

Oh, and his son: a successful musician who was born albino. :cool:

I can't see it, and I don't get why politicians are obsessed with Musk-wannabe reduction of bureaucracy. Every developed nation needs bureaucracy because it is the duct where the citizens can interact with the administration. This was one of the main pillars of the establishment of each modern society. If I need to pay taxes, where do I go? If I want to build a house in the middle of nowhere, where do I apply to get my license? Etc.

I believe that it would be a complete mistake to absorb Musk's principle of reducing bureaucracy to near zero. I guess he doesn't need it because he is the richest man in the world, but when the rest of us demand to get drinking water out of a creek, where can I demand it? On "X" insulting woke posters?

If Americans voted to get rid of a government, it would be fine, but I only hope that this wave doesn't spread to the rest of modern nations like ours. That's the paradox. Some nations wish to have a bureaucracy (Pakistan or Iraq), and others want to get rid of it. Weird.

At most I suggested people in this thread were absorbing this information uncritically, exhibiting the reflexive, emotional response this type of media is meant to get out of them. — Tzeentch

Yes, I agree. That's what this thread is about: following the current situation of Ivanishvili. You might have missed some critical points from my side, and I understand it would be another good feature on this thread. Yet my aim was just informative, not reviewing anything. We were expecting if he would have a trial, and the London court is already processing him. I thought it was interesting to post here as well as the rest of the following news about Ivanishvili in the future.

On the other hand, I am sorry for calling you a 'conspiracy nut.' I admit I was way out of line. My apologies.

Did you take your time to read the two paragraphs I wrote after that introduction?

You claimed that I am brainwashed by the Western media and that's a fallacy. Then I answered that this thread is about Ivanishvili and that I don't even consume media at all. Yet you decided to play me. I don't want to jump into that rabbit hole.

Anyway, I will keep interested in sharing posts about Ivanshivili. It is obvious that everyone is welcome to share their opinions here too. But, please, don't derail the thread with conspiracy theories, the manipulating media and whataboutism. These belong to Donald Trump and Ukraine Crisis threads, for example.

Everything I wrote in the previous paragraph is implicitly consented by his author, @Banno. Otherwise, he can flag it if he thinks that's not the way we should approach this thread.

Ah, gotcha. You are just another conspiracy nut such as the ones who assaulted the US Capitol building.

First, I don't even consume media at all. If I posted links related to the press, it was just because I was searching for information on the Internet about the current situation of Ivan, because as I said before, Georgia seems to be uninteresting and careless for people. Yet I care, and it seems interesting to me and Banno, who started this thread. This is not about who is the worst, mate. We know all are evil. But, sometimes, we also have to put the spotlight on other examples. The world doesn't start and end with Trump and Musk.

Second, this is not about NATO. At least, it is not how I see it. There is another thread about Al-Assad and Syria. Since folks also shared their opinions in that thread, why can't we do the same towards Ivan? Simple. According to your point, we should never look beyond our wall because we also already have some issues too.

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The main point of this thread is to discuss the current situation and eventual fate of our fella Ivanishvili. We are not distracting ourselves from our own. I am plenty aware that Musk, Zuckerberg, Bezos, Gates' foundations, etc are also a big threat to our democracy; but they are already very boring. I think Ivanishvili is more interesting though.

Alas, Georgia seems to not be relevant to most people. I am aware that you are not fond of the EU, but Georgia's people deserve to vote on whether they want more proximity to the West or to Russia. Right? As well as we all overreacted towards Ukraine...

Either is Soros's or European bureaucrats' fault when a billionaire is cornered in the justice. :rofl:

First trial to our sweet billionaire tycoon: It took place on Monday in London.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/georgian-tycoon-accused-of-economic-destruction-by-former-ally-in-london-court/ar-AA1y05k5

Ivanishvili was accused on Monday in a London courtroom of “economic destruction” by lawyers for Georgian-British businessman Zaza Okuashvili, who is seeking nearly $50 million in lost profits and legal fees to date. Ivanishvili and his associates sought to destroy a string of Okuashvili’s businesses and personal wealth via means of intimidation, deception and conspiracy, taking advantage of his political influence in the country.

“Zaza Okuashvili finds himself unable to seek and obtain justice within Georgia, where due impartiality in any proceedings involving Bidzina Ivanishvili is, to put it mildly, highly questionable,” his lawyers said in court filings.

Oh, and this definitely rings a bell:

I am enjoying my first-time reading of Gogol. Dead Souls is both funny and clever in many different ways. Nozdryov (in my edition, it appears written as "Nozdrev") is outstanding. I understand now why Dostoevsky referred to him in some of his tales and works. Sadly, I only have Dead Souls. However, I'm excited to purchase more Gogol's tales in 2025. :smile:

If Einstein had a YouTube channel would you refuse to accept his views? — Agree-to-Disagree

Hmm... I think we could reformulate the question in this way: If Einstein had a YouTube channel would we subscribe to it and watch his videos? :chin:

It rains and pours on this Monday morning. I feel attracted to listening to jazz and Soul when the day is rainy.

Glad to know we experience the same feeling listening to Eno's playlist. :smile:
There is a moment where silence comes in but you can listen to a constant sharp sound. I guess that's what Eno would have referred to as 'silence' in ourselves or the consciousness. Awesome!

There is always a sound that comes from another sound, and then it finishes with silence. I don't attempt to say that there is a cause amongst sound and silence; they both are always continuing in "vibration," and even a person can hear a sound that the other cannot hear, so the latter is in silence while the first doesn't until both reach whatever point in the complex of vibrations. Furthermore, I think we could say that silence is a sound in itself.

Since I guess you and I see the same pattern that silence can contain sounds and no sounds simultaneously, I would like to recommend you listen to this:





let me know if it is close to what you think as "silence is from which sound emerges."

Gakharia: Attack On Me Is Ivanishvili’s Political Revenge

Giorgi Gakharia, the leader of the opposition For Georgia party, who was attacked on January 15 in the Sheraton hotel in Batumi, said that the attack against him had the semblance of a premediated “political revenge” and was ordered and authored by Bidzina Ivanishvili.

Speaking at today’s briefing he said: “I and, in fact, my team were the victims of a premeditated and pre-organized violent attack, which had the appearance of political revenge, and which was ordered and authored by Bidzina Ivanishvili.”

Gakharia said Ivanishvili had been threatening him and his family “in various forms” for a long time, including publicly. He said he was not focusing on the perpetrators of the attack, but only on the “mastermind behind it” – Bidzina Ivanishvili, whom he described as “the main architect of violence” and “the main root of evil” in Georgia today.

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At the end of the briefing, he again vowed, “I will do whatever it takes to ensure that Ivanishvili loses what he values most – money and power.”

I agree. I missed that actually the engineers and the rest of the people who work in his companies are the worthwhile ones, not him.

Ditto. I am not entitled to criticise him because I am aware of his development regarding space and other engineering stuff, but he reminds me of toddlers when he starts to rant about politicians or whoever decides to delete their 'X' account. I recall when the Brazilian Supreme Court banned X in Brazil, and he began to harshly condemn and rave against Brazilian judges.
Crazy on the one hand, but cringe, embarrassing, and pathetic on the other.

I don't know the context of why he said that, but I bet it is due to something related to our low contribution to NATO; and yet we have been increasing the spending in the past years because of the Ukraine crisis. I still think that is a waste of money, time, and resources. I don't understand the point of contributing to a useless army organisation that split the world in half, and some members even threaten others. Now Trump is threatening Denmark (a founder member of the treaty!) on the Greenland issue.

Well, he will indeed increase the tariffs on our products anyway xD :lol: . It doesn't matter if it is 10% or 100%.

Yeah, I agree. But I remember folks (who now voted for Trump) were always ranting on Biden's gaffes and bloopers; even Democrats threw out Biden for that reason. But it is hard to distinguish when they are ignorant about the world or just senile.

Spain is very low...

Are they a BRICS nation?

Spain, a BRICS nation... You will figure out.

:rofl: :rofl:

I am fond of the poor geopolitical knowledge of some Americans. It is funny. These folks changed one old man for another. Imagine Republicans reaction if Biden would say things like that.

Dead Souls by Nikolai Gogol.

We are reading the same author at the same time. It is interesting how fate works. Isn't it? :smile:

An absolutely wonderful and well-written post. I wholeheartedly agree, and (I guess) I couldn't have approached a better point on the overrated robot (AI).

After reading your posts, I can't come to the conclusion about what is more senseless to you: either being Spanish or hispanidad, which are different things. If your point is that our civil war and our continuous confrontation are senseless, then I agree. But I don't know to what extent it is related to the decolonising of South America. I think the senseless hysteria came afterwards.

On the other hand, you would be surprised seeing that we have a low self-esteem. So, I hardly believe that some would confront you for being anti-español. I think that rhetoric only applies among Spaniards. We will not burn everything down for the sake of our country.

moving to cheaper southern states, and then to the Caribbean and Mexico, and finally Asia. — BC

Oddly, those are the countries where child labour is a reality, and they were condemned multiple times by useless organisations (UN) for not respecting children's rights, such as education. We had the same issue in both Europe and the USA back in the 19th century. A lot of people (infants included) had to die to change the circumstances for the better. We consider that a developed nation has their children learning in schools and playing freely with friends, not allocated in a steel factory manufacturing screws. Yet this is how the hypocrisy of our politicians pops up again. We don't want a child from Madrid or Minneapolis to work in factories, but we go to nations where they don't care about crossing those lines: Mexico, India, Bangladesh, Vietnam, and (sadly) a large etc.

There are a lot of workers who can not afford to buy the goods and services they produce. — BC

Yeah. I would not say "the land for the one who works on it" because I know everything is more complex than just that. But it is a problem how a large number of workers don't earn enough to purchase not only the goods and services they produce but others. I mean, there are works that, even with an income they are still considered poor.

And now a ski lift has collapsed in Northern Spain. Hey, wait: Don't blame Spain. It might very well be the fault of the French or the Germans. — BC

:rofl:

You should be thanking Israel for eliminating them. — BitconnectCarlos

Thanking a nation that has been threatening us since the first day we showed empathy towards Palestinians and whose citizens celebrated our deaths on Valencia's floods? No, mate.

Spain could buy he high tech machines from the Netherlands, just up the coast a ways, who have a lock on the premier fabrication technology (so I have read). — BC

Do you know what the main product we buy from our Dutch friends is? -- tractors. They are all over the rural areas, and each farmer has at least two.

Yet that's another good example of how we are dependent upon other countries' machines...

It's just damn hard to compete with cheap labor of the sort that Asia has in abundance. (Not that your average Asian likes being cheap labor on behalf of Foxconn, Apple, et al.). — BC

That was not only a big failure of Spain but the European Union altogether. Our politicians decided back in the 1990s and early 2000s that it was better to manufacture everything in random Chinese villages, with zero labour rights. Important Spanish companies like INDITEX (Zara) have their manufacturers there and in Bangladesh. This caused a heated debate in Congress like two years ago, blaming Amancio Ortega for being a modern slaver. As you say, it is barely possible to compete with those prices and wages, and most companies would prefer to go there. They only care about benefits, not investment. The worst thing is that the average income in Spain is around €1,130, and I consider it low... So, we are a cheap labour land but in a European context.

What a total disaster it has been. — Tzeentch

:up:

46,000 dead souls were needed for a cease-fire. It is hard to give relevance to Western organisations such as the UN, honestly.

Spain does have a tourist industry, which means service employees, and sadly they don't get paid a lot. — BC

Exactly, good point.

Spain also produces quite a lot of agricultural products--essential to everyone who likes to eat, but the big money is in processing and marketing food, not in growing it. BTW, I have a bottle of Spanish olive oil in the kitchen. So... — BC

Agricultural products are usually our ace in the hole. We know we are the only country in Europe with the weather standards to sell fruits and olives to all European countries all year. It is important, but again, agriculture is not a high-value market either. I do not know how many tonnes of oranges or cabbages we should import to match with German cars or Italian luxury markets. I see it as barely impossible.

Spain also produces ceramics and flamingo dresses. — BC

When I travelled through different countries, I remember that some locals had objects done with Spanish ceramic, like vessels. I see ceramics deserve more potential, but I understand that other products (like marble) are more popular or valued in international markets.

My advice: keep digging. — BC

I guess ecologists would not be happy with that, and also the incumbent government has 'green' politicians, so the idea of mining is not available for the moment.

Has Spain considered more manufacturing? There's a big demand these days for military drones, for instance. — BC

Pedro Sanchez wanted to build a factory of microchips in Madrid. His aim was to be the "Taiwan of the European Union," but the project was gone when it faced reality for two reasons:

1) We are also a country with a high number of low-skilled workers. Who would manufacture those microchips?

2) Prices. People would always manufacture everything in China and their surroundings. It is cheaper, and the workers do not cry for help and trade union assistance.

From the 1960's on until 1990, my grandmother went to Spain every year for three months for her winter holiday. — Tom Storm

Wow! She was so brave for spending three months in the 1960s and even 1970s, considering that we were clearly an undeveloped nation. I imagine she had to struggle with different challenges; language in the first place, for instance. I appreciate how your grandmother always decided to come back during three decades. I guess she told interesting anecdotes. Furthermore, your grandmother was an important witness of the first years of Spain's development.

In the 1970's my mum and dad sometimes talked about the transition to democracy and hoped that Spain would make the journey from Franco to freedom. I would have thought the reforms and advancements were worth it. — Tom Storm

Glad to know! That's what I wanted to read. Some testimonials by people who remember that actually their family talked about the death of Franco and then the birth of democracy. Thanks for sharing your personal experience, Tom. :up:

But if you are suspicious of government and consider your democracy to be flawed and shameful, then you would be like every second young person in any Western country on earth who is convinced their country's government is shit and that no one tells the truth. — Tom Storm

True. I agree.

:up:

I think you did the right thing by avoiding the subject completely. If only we were not a divided nation, I guess you could have had some interesting conversations about Franco. Yet this is impossible, and I label two different types of Spaniards in this topic: the ones who try to avoid talking about politics (I include myself here) and the ones whose vision is the only one that is right.

Although it has been fifty years, Franco's typical aspects are still in the mindset. For example, my grandparents still calculate everything using pesetas instead of euros (it seems that the EU never happened to them, but Franco remains...), and people have a negative view of police officers and the army since these were always pro-Franco.

But I feel that everything changed quickly. Whoever said in 1975 that Spain would be one of the first countries to recognise same-sex marriage, for example? But, at the same time, I feel that negative historical features still kick in the perspective of foreign people who observe my nation on the other side of the pond.

On the other hand, thank you for having my country in a positive perspective. Yes, I remember the short story of Moriscos. I posted a picture trying to guess if it was plotted in Denia or a closer town. It was fun!

That said, I have no idea why Spain strikes him as more repressive than other parts of Europe, and what he thinks the Islamic history has to do with that. — Jamal

I have no idea either. I "shot him down" because of the amount of prejudices his post had. Something that I never expected from T Clark.

I want to summarise it briefly: Franco is still a part of Spanish consciousness. It was a dictator that was in office for 39 years, and we can't get rid of that from the night to the morning. He kidnapped our identity, and after his death, Spain has not been capable of building a real identity: Are we European? Are we a democracy? Are we poor or rich? Are we illiterate?

If you check the government website, it says that everything under Franco was bad and we were backwards. But now everything is good, and we are important to EU members at least. But I was sceptical regarding that. When I travelled around the EU, I didn't experience discrimination, but it is true that I felt people had a negative notion of our economy, development, people's rights, etc.

People even labelled as a "PIGS" country (Portugal, Ireland, Greece, and Spain) like the bad zone of Europe.

We are not perfect, and I am aware that we are still far from Germany or the UK. But what was the improvement for the past fifty years then?

Since it is barely possible to get an objective answer in my country, I thought it was a good idea to start a thread here, since I am aware that some of you even lived here. So your opinion also counts, even more than some journalists and media here...I think that the point is that every Spaniard has in mind that due to having Franco for almost three decades, we lost opportunities for being a European nation. But we joined the club in 1986. So, we have been Europeans the same time that we have been under Franco.

How we handled the situation in Catalunya? Etc.If you didn't care a bit, I completely respect it and understand your position, Jamal. But I don't get why folks expect us to be like that because we had "Islamic culture" and the Inquisition. Basically, it seems like nobody can expect an improvement here.

A doubling of the average income over 50 years isn't terribly good, unless you compare it to the growth in wages between, say, 500 a.d. and 1400 a.d. when wages didn't grow at all. But working people in many countries have suffered from slowly rising income over the last 50 years. So welcome to our oppression by capitalist scum! — BC

I agree! Good point, BC. But, seriously talking, we are a country of very low wages. I tried to find out why. I guess the problem of having low incomes is due to our economy depending on low-quality products. Thus, services.
We are a country of holiday resorts, not of luxury cars or modern technology...I raged because the incumbent government shows it as a big improvement. Seriously? Wow, at least they don't talk about the unemployment rate. This is what hurts me the most.

Hello Tobias! You can't imagine how happy your post made me feel. It was a good start this morning, Sunday.

There is a lot to talk about, but I appreciate an important thing: you actually visited my country with your parents in that period of time, so you experienced how Spain was in the first years after Franco's death. Therefore, your opinion and points are objective and well taken. Also, I like how you talk very fondly about your summertime. It could be a topic for a short story! :cool:

My point in this thread was exactly what you summarised in your post. I wanted to know if we had an improvement here, because it is very difficult to talk about Franco here, as you could imagine. It is still a taboo topic. I believe Spain has changed a lot over the past 50 years, but the incumbent government uses a florid message. We are still a country with low wages, and there are issues regarding our democracy. We are not perfect. But I wanted to know if we could sit at the same table as other nations like the Netherlands or France. After reading your post, I think yes, we can.

I didn't want to be nostalgic in my post, I promise. Every Spaniard knows perfectly the situation of our country, and we know that we don't have influence worldwide. For example, we tried to recognise Palestine as a state nation, and nobody cared, etc. But none of us want to be like Germany or France. We know we are particular, and we are happy with that. Yet a large number of us think that we are the "shithole" of Europe. For example: I was in Bratislava once, and a person asked me, "Where are you from?" And then I replied, "I am from Spain!" And she wondered if I was really able to keep a conversation in English because we are very poor regarding English skills and educational matters. You can't imagine how this hurts our pride...

We always compare ourselves to North European nations and wonder why we are not like you. But this is a utopia. It is impossible because our idiosyncrasies are different.

I think 2017 was crucial for modern Spain. I am talking about our crisis regarding Catalonia. I was in the university in that period of time and most of us thought that the rest of EU members would rant on us. We also carry the prejudice of being a repressive nation, you know. But I was surprised that EU members respected our sovereignty and decided that it was better to solve the issue in our own way. 8 years later is no longer a problem, and blood has not been shed. I think this was a good example that we are a European-respected nation, with our pros and cons absolutely. I wish we could fix our low wages and unemployment ratio one day.

A very intelligent and well-written answer. I’m sorry—it’s true that discussing Franco is very difficult (and, I admit, even uninteresting). Honestly, I expected you to provide insightful responses, and I was right. I remember when we talked in the Hispanidad thread. It was a fruitful discussion.

I give up—Hispanic matters are not something Anglos seem to care about. They will never make an effort to understand us. I think it would have been more effective to address this topic in your thread about Hispanidad.

Fair enough. I understand what you meant, so don't worry. I'm just a bit disappointed because, after reading many of your posts, I thought you were more open-minded on certain issues. That's all. I don't want to offend you either.

You criticize me for having the Inquisition and 'Islamic culture' in my history, yet you find it acceptable to have nuked Japan twice. Americans are very hard to understand...

Interesting and I feel the vibe of the song. Also, I guess you thought in bulls when Spain crossed to your mind, but I could be misunderstood!

Spain has always struck me as a more rigid repressive society than other places in Europe. I think that’s partly because of its history of Islamic culture and partly because of Franco and Spanish Civil War. And then there is the Spanish inquisition, which none of us expect. — T Clark

Don't worry, I didn't expect positive comments towards my country when I started this thread, but I thought it was worth starting it anyway.

My point was to see if you had negative prejudices towards my country. Sadly, I was right about what I thought. I asked if modern Spain could be considered a democracy, and you didn't address that question but only posted bad and stereotypical comments. 

What comes to my mind is the stereotypical cultural studies student, who is fascinated about cultures and traditions of all people except his or her own. — ssu

I understand you now. Yes, the hypocrisy we are used to hearing from some university faculties.

They are not at all laughing at him, but smiling and in the following video you can see people clapping their hands. — ssu

Ah! Sorry, my bad. The picture tricked me because I interpreted they were laughing at him...

And especially since Yukio hadn't himself served... — ssu

But Mishima didn't serve because the bureaucracy didn't allow him to. He did the checking in a random army post in a small town in central Japan, and they rejected him because he wasn't strong enough and he was ill. Furthermore, it seems that his father set up everything with the aim of avoiding his son being selected to the Imperial Army. They were a rich family, and his father recommended him to study and obtain better positions in society. But that trauma of being rejected to fight for your country was in Mishima's mind the rest of his life. He wished to be a kamikaze, but his destiny resulted in him being one of the best writers in the Japanese language ever.

Weren't you Spanish? I think that you will find it in your history too. — ssu

No way! Not even close to the average Japanese politician.

Those values that I referred to previously are very important today. Remember Naoto Kan? The Prime Minister incumbent when the Fukushima disaster happened? Well, he resigned because he admitted that he and his cabinet didn't manage the crisis well. It is impossible to see that here...

Think about. What would we think about a writer that would be an ardent patriot like Mishima if he would be German? He would be the jingoist ultra-nationalist and people would just try to find hints of nazism, white supremacy and racism in his writings. How would a German who would favour Prussian militarism look like today? — ssu

Yes, I agree. He would be heavily criticised, and his works would suffer a bit of censorship, or at least he would be sued and seated in a trial. Yet I think there are some differences between the Mishima we already know and the hypothetical German writer who would have looked like Mishima. The first always rooted for values that are very hard to be understood in the Western world, while the second spread a sense of supremacy around the world. Yes, I know Japan had imperialistic views towards Korea and China, but according to Mishima, that's just politics, and he wanted to focus on the spirit of the nation, and (again) Japan is intrinsically violent, although they promoted actions of peace since the 1945 debacle.

Above all, remember how the Japanese soldiers of the new Self-Defence forces reacted to Mishima. They started to hiss and jeer. — ssu

A very good point, ssu. Honestly, after reading biographies on Mishima's life, I think he had never expected such a reaction from the Self-Defence Forces. I also think that it was suspended by a thread: if he gained the respect of military forces, Mishima would have won hope in Japan otherwise. Otherwise, it would have a perfect cause for committing suicide since he would no longer believe in a modern Japanese society. Better or worse, it happened the latter...

But it doesn't matter if it's scenario A or B. He always had death in his mind, because it was the purest possible situation to him.

just like the story of the last Hiro Onoda, the last Japanese soldier to surrender in the Phillipines in 1974. Well, he too was disappointed about post-WW2 when he finally got back to Japan.

Hiro Onoda surrendering in 1974. — ssu

Yes, I read some articles on Onoda. Look how the people are laughing at him and his katana. Did the Japanese really deserve that disrespect? :roll:

I wonder what Mishima would have written about Onoda — ssu

Yeah! I wonder that too! I guess he would have written a novel like Runaway Horses but changing the plot and focusing on Mr. Onoda.

Damn! I have always missed that pure loyalist behaviour that the useless politicians of my country don't have...

we don't have this instant recoil that we would have if Mishima would have been a German, an Englishman or an American. This tells something about us, not of the Japanese or their culture. — ssu

ssu, I don't follow you in that quote. What do you mean by "instant recoil" if Mishima would have been German instead of Japanese?

Japan has always been a warfare nation. Until 1861, when Japan started to get 'modernised,' thus having contact with Western nations, it was very common to have guerrillas and bloodbaths amongst samurai. Consider that one of the main points of Bushidō principles is to die with honour in the field rather than run away like rabbits. Mishima got disappointed with the Emperor and the current ministers of Japan in the post-WWII era because they decided to end everything, not only accepting the loss of the war but also how "backwards" the Japanese values were. Since then, Mishima, amongst others, started with a romanticism of old days, when they used katana instead of a pistol or they wore yukata instead of suits. Is that nationalism or a defence of your roots and values? Well, Mishima was in that dilemma the rest of his life.

Oh, and Japan is a very nationalistic country nowadays with its lobby running party called Nippon Kaigi.

which includes an in-the-moment appreciation of beauty, sort of like being lucky to be there in the moment? — Dawnstorm

Yes, exactly. But rather than being lucky, it is a sense of redemption. He—Mishima—thought it was possible to build things with the art of destroying them. Consider this: thanks to setting the temple on fire, it became a legendary building in Japan.

I'm hardly an expert in Japanese culture, but I'm certainly not used to have this concept be accompanied by such violent language. I'd guess it's an expression of passion? — Dawnstorm

Passion? Hmm... good. I think it is a correct adjective of what Mishima had in mind when he wrote his works. We have to understand that Mishima was very fond of Samurai culture and values, and the latter is intrinsically violent. One of Mishima's traumas was not having the chance to fight in WWII, because he thought it would be priceless to die defending the honour of his homeland. Since then, he always had a fetish for war and bellicose topics. Too much passion on him?

I believe he used language that was pure and sophisticated rather than violent. He published his final novel on the same day he committed suicide. Mishima was that type of genius...