That need to be discussed heavily. Women having suffrage has not only influenced society in positive ways. Spoiling of kids have become institutional and has lead to the development of hailing of low effort and results. The typical academic woman will go to extreme measures to perform well herself (at work, at home, with friends) but will spoil her own kids severely, making them "snowflakes" if the husband do not put some sense in the kids. She will further push for "weaker people", not requiring any personal responsibility from poorer people, refugees, people in minorities or whatever.What about toxic femininity... — Hanover
Masculinity, as a manifestation of testosterone, has an inherent drive. Male H. Sapiens are naturally primed by the four f’s of evolutionary biology - you know, feeding, fighting, fleeing or (again, never mind). That Darwinian heritage — Wayfarer
Masculinity becomes toxic when men begin worrying about their masculinity. — Ciceronianus the White
So if any woman chooses to be a housewife, then that can only be because she was brought up in a such a way to be ignorant if anything else? The same could be said of any person. We are all products of our genes and upbringing. A woman that works away from home and chooses to never marry or have kids is as much a product of her genes and upbringing as a housewife. Who gets to tell either of these women what is best for them?Most people don't think any longer that men should be the breadwinners and women as housewives. However, there are some who think that way, mainly those from a generation who were taught this value. — Jack Cummins
The sound parts of masculinity and femininity could well be something that both male and female should conform to. — Ansiktsburk
There is much to recommend this. Except that it applies to every male from the age they become aware of their sex and learn to insist on a blue toothbrush not a pink one. — unenlightened
Men worry about their masculinity when they're anxious or concerned about it, e.g. when they are concerned they're lacking in it or anxious because others may be insufficiently impressed by it. — Ciceronianus the White
anxious or concerned — Ciceronianus the White
Right. So how do you determine whether or not some behavior is the result of a social norm or the individuals own choice? If a large group of women decide to be house-wives how do you know that is the result of social norm and not just an inclination many women have? In other words, how can you determine if some way of behaving is the result of genes or upbringing?I think that people are entitled to be whoever they choose to be. I think women shouldn't have to be housewives because of a social norm, but if they wish to be that should not be a problem either Also, I think that men should be entitled to wear dresses too. I am not in favour of restrictions based on ideas of gender norms at all. — Jack Cummins
Are birds nests and bird mating rituals the result of the birds genes or upbringing?I don’t know Jack, I think we can say that since houses are social constructed, marriage is socially constructed, and economics are socially constructed, it’s hardly logical to suppose our maneuvering of those things in genetic. — Uglydelicious
Are birds nests and bird mating rituals the result of the birds genes or upbringing? — Harry Hindu
Strangely enough, a bird has to learn from other birds how to be a bird.
If it doesn't do that in a narrow window in childhood, it will never learn.
Mammals are different. They can learn throughout their lives. — frank
It’s becoming obvious that we are dealing with a false dichotomy. — Uglydelicious
You seem to be forgeting about instincts. — Harry Hindu
I wonder what this means for trans men, who I know worry a great deal about their masculinity. Is trans masculinity different from “masculinity”? — Uglydelicious
authority — Edy
Do you think there is a man who isn't concerned about his masculinity? — unenlightened
There's a point where masculinity becomes toxic, but where is that point? — Edy
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