And I'm pretty sure that most of them were not thrown in at the deep end, but instead didn't have many hardships when growing up, or their parents taught them resilience, or both.But I think it would be safe to bet that of the many millions of atheists who have lived, millions of them have done just this. — Tom Storm
Sure. My point is, it's backwards, which makes it useless. It can be useful only if one learns it before one falls on hard times.Err... what order? I was simply saying that Logotherapy was developed with this in mind. I was not trying to classify it in any context other than the obvious. — Tom Storm
These are the people I'm interested in. How did they make it in life?Although the older atheists I have known got there despite being disowned and shunned by their working class communities and families. — Tom Storm
If they were the proverbial trees with weak roots when they had to face the storm, how did the weather it? — baker
Sure. My point is, it's backwards, which makes it useless. — baker
Indeed, which is where your mistake is.Jeez, Baker - the point I made has nothing to do about chronology. — Tom Storm
Frankl didn't go into the camp unprepared. He didn't invent logotherapy from scratch while he was in the camp.was born in the experiences of the concentration camp.
Yes, such is its intention, but I'm pointing out its major shortcoming: it "works" only for people who already believe it.It's used in so many ways and has some application in helping people recover from substance use and anxiety.
perhaps the absurd opens relations with others once the usual drudgery of unquestioned social armour has been cracked and experience can be shared (like through books)? — Cate
I still stand by my last point. Nothing mattering would just evaporate any reason for living. — Darkneos
Frankl didn't go into the camp unprepared. He didn't invent logotherapy from scratch while he was in the camp. — baker
Most certainly not. You keep missing my point.Baker, I'm assuming you're jesting, right? — Tom Storm
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