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I think transcendence is an incoherent notion in metaphysics. If X is transcendent to Y, then there can be no relationship between X and Y (certainly no road from X to Y), because any sort of relationship (act of relating) would imply breaching the gap that we have just postulated through transcendence. If X and Y are transcendent, then in what kind of relationship can they be with the road that connects them? Clearly they can't be in any relationship - the road can't even exist - because if the road exists, then they aren't transcendent. With regards to existence - Being - nothing can be transcendent - that which is transcendent doesn't exist.This may be a slightly bizarre or uninformed topic (on my part), but it's been on my mind nonetheless. In my readings, it would appear that transcendence is generally thought of as a singular state - a noun that denotes a kind of inaction and permanence. Yet, especially as I sift through medieval Christian mysticism, there's a great emphasis on movement and action — Heister Eggcart
The ghost of Kant has entered into this thread to tell us we have overstepped the boundaries of Pure Reason X-)God can be understood to have both an immanent and a transcendent aspect. The same applies to being; it has both a phenomenal and a noumenal aspect; it is both knowable and unknowable. — John
So, for us it would seem necessary that we perform--transcend. We transcend the limitations of our understanding of God by engaging in fervent prayer, fasting, and meditation--all actions. For us, we can't be here, then there, without actually moving from here to there. — Bitter Crank
Kant thought it was outside experience--which for us, I guess means we don't transcend and tell about it. — Bitter Crank
I think transcendence is an incoherent notion in metaphysics. If X is transcendent to Y, then there can be no relationship between X and Y (certainly no road from X to Y), because any sort of relationship (act of relating) would imply breaching the gap that we have just postulated through transcendence. If X and Y are transcendent, then in what kind of relationship can they be with the road that connects them? Clearly they can't be in any relationship - the road can't even exist - because if the road exists, then they aren't transcendent. With regards to existence - Being - nothing can be transcendent - that which is transcendent doesn't exist. — Agustino
Thus God needs the world as much as the world needs God, and therefore only God is necessary and has Being - but this God entails Creation as His shadow. — Agustino
If X is the starting place, then Y can only be transcendent with reference to X - and symmetrically X will be transcendent with reference to Y. This is alike saying there is an infinite chasm between Y and X. If X and Y are in a relationship which is characterised by transcendence, then there can be no path between the two.I don't see how this follows. If X is your starting place, X is not transcendent, only Y is. However, my thinking here concerns, as you worded it, the road that bridges the two, X and Y. I'm trying to figure out whether what is transcendent ( Y ) is of the same purity as the act of transcending, moving from itself toward Y, and whether there is no bridge and X is always transcending. If that's the case, then X's act of transcending cannot be the same as Y, otherwise there's no difference between it and Y. — Heister Eggcart
Hmm, but who's to say all these are ways toward transcendence? Is praying and fasting and the like acts of transcending? And how would you know until you're actually transcendent? At that point, it would seem that you wouldn't even have knowledge of having gone from A to B.
Kant thought it was outside experience--which for us, I guess means we don't transcend and tell about it.
— Bitter Crank
This makes the most sense to me. — Heister Eggcart
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