Jews are still bitter at the Romans for that. — BitconnectCarlos
Are you white or are you an Arab, because if you're a white non-muslim I have no idea what causes you to read history this way. If you're an Arab muslim it makes sense. — BitconnectCarlos
Israel's defenders on this thread (and in the media) have one major play, equivocating between "Israel has the right to defend itself" and "Israel has the right to defend itself [by any means]". — Baden
The 1967 war was complex — Benkei
I agree as well and I don't deny Israeli crimes, although I think we may disagree on the scope of these crimes. — BitconnectCarlos
Israel in the past has definitely been a victim that has faced annihilation on several occasions — BitconnectCarlos
Israeli citizens are frequently killed which is considered by Jews everywhere as Israel being attacked. — BitconnectCarlos
In Israel the homicide rate produced by criminal activities is relatively low: in 2015, there were 2.4 people killed per 100,000 inhabitants (in Switzerland the number is 0.71, in Russia it is 14.9, in South Africa it is 34, in Venezuela it is 49). In 2009, 135 people were murdered in Israel. The percentage of women killed by their partners who were Arab decreased from 9 out of 11 in 2009 to 10 out of 15 in 2010 and 11 out of 24 in 2011.
According to Israel's police, the number of murders is continually decreasing. In 2018, 103 people were the victims of homicide, compared with 136 people in 2017. The murder rate in 2018 was 1.14 people per 100,000 inhabitants. — Wikipedia
And I 100% agree that Israel has committed atrocities in the past — BitconnectCarlos
He that is without sin among you, let him first cast a stone at her. — Jesus Christ
But in any case, nothing, absolutely nothing, that you have mentioned justifies Israel's treatment of the Palestinians. — Benkei
You're the only one that thinks my skin-colour, religion or ethnicity has any relevance here... which is pretty racist I guess. — Benkei
Nothing you said is a justification for how Palestinians are currently treated. — Benkei
Nothing you've said justifies the Assyrians destroying the Kingdom of Judea in 750 BCE and ethnically cleansing the Jews there. — BitconnectCarlos
ah so you admit you're a racist then. OK, that's solved then, you're no longer worth my time. Buh-bye! — Benkei
Do you care about dead Jews in the 20th century? 19th century? When do you draw the line? — BitconnectCarlos
Nothing you've said justifies the Assyrians destroying the Kingdom of Judea in 750 BCE. — BitconnectCarlos
That's what being principled means, yes. — StreetlightX
It makes no difference to you if Israel collapses, and that's fine, it wouldn't matter to me if Australia was in some conflict or war and they got overrun. They were probably the oppressors anyway. — BitconnectCarlos
But yeah, this line is not something I'd ever argue with you or ssu because it's totally unproductive. I just had to get it off my chest with Benkei after his tirades. — BitconnectCarlos
What people don't understand about these discussions is that there's two Carlos'. — BitconnectCarlos
Ah, I see you're not done role-playing. When you are, hit me up. — StreetlightX
But in any case, nothing, absolutely nothing, that you have mentioned justifies Israel's treatment of the Palestinians. — Benkei
I did suspect you were posting disingenuously — fdrake
Though I believe Benkei is actually attempting to engage you rationally here. I believe if you asked him principled questions like: "What is a war crime?" and "Why do you believe Israel is an apartheid state?" and other such things they would be able (but perhaps not willing at this point) to give you either detailed answers or resources. — fdrake
What I didn't understand was which Carlos was displaying your actual intent. — fdrake
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