Jeez! How many times do I have to say this? Yes.Does it refer to "14% of the AMOUNT of global warming" — Agree to Disagree
It's based on the amount of biogenic CH4 in the atmosphere staying the same, so any CH4 which converts to CO2 is replaced by an equal amount of newly created CH4. That is the plain language meaning of the phrase "biogenic methane stays constant".Your calculation of 0.0224° F ( 0.012° C) per decade is NOT based on constant emissions of biogenic methane. — Agree to Disagree
Oh Lord, give me strength. Look, knock yourself out if it makes you happy, but it's irrelevant to this discussion. So one more time. If you cannot provide a coherent answer to this question then it will clear that you simply do not know what you're talking about.I am working on a "flow diagram" which will show the difference between biogenic methane, fossil methane, biogenic CO2, and fossil CO2. I will post it on this discussion when it is finished. It will probably take me a day or two. — Agree to Disagree
It wouldn't get any warmer if it stayed the same. — frank
So once you've put your coat on, you don't get any warmer unless you keep putting more coats on? — unenlightened
Your body is a heat generator. The earth isn't. — frank
Okey dokey. — frank
But no worries chaps, carry on eating beef and flying round the world on holiday, all our politicians are very stable geniarses, and will solve the problem before anything bad happens, global oil and global meat are on the case. — unenlightened
How do you expect people to care about anything further than that? — schopenhauer1
I don't expect other people to care. But I care. that's all. I'm just some guy railing about what I care about. Nothing for you to concern yourself about. — unenlightened
Hey we all care about something. — schopenhauer1
Of course we do. This thread is about climate change. Anyone else care about that? Or shall we tell a few jokes and shoot the breeze? — unenlightened
I thought I was directly discussing climate change- specifically, the general mechanism for the inertia you are seeing. — schopenhauer1
Oh, well in that case, you are wrong. Covid has clearly shown that most people are very willing to make quite radical changes and sacrifices as long as they feel they are doing it to help others in a time of crisis and we are all acting together. So the problem is not that people are just greedy and uncaring. — unenlightened
People want cheap things. Adding costs to manufacturers to try to have cleaner emissions or greener processes will not make the consumer happy, lower output, and lower profit. Then, the politicians who claim to be "pro-economy" will rail against the regulations, and the process will continue.
Not to mention the epistemological claim of how to measure progress when there are so many sources adding to the problem. The pro-economy parties will say it's a risky, untested regulation that will hamper current success. And thus, ironically, they will take a line from Keynes and say:
"In the long run, we are all dead". And that is basically the cynical view of most political actions. — schopenhauer1
What you think of me, many will think of your ideas on actions regarding climate change. — schopenhauer1
People want cheap things. — schopenhauer1
Climate change, no matter how much footage of ice caps melting and X phenomenon isn't perceived by people as their problem. — schopenhauer1
Or shall we tell a few jokes and shoot the breeze? — unenlightened
People also want quality things. Of course, no one wants low quality expensive anything. Of course people don't want suffering. You make a philosophy of platitudes. There is more to life than want. — unenlightened
Some of the denial you see on this very thread, including stock phrases like "nothing can be done," "it's good for the planet," "the climate always changes," "people don't want to change," etc., all serves in a minor way to divert from what we should be doing, which is acting. Not just individually, but collectively. Discussing local energy committees or public utilities commissions and ways to attend/influence them, local organizations to involve oneself in, individual actions like more efficient energy use/electrification (heat pumps, solar panels, induction stoves, community solar programs, better insulation, energy audits, available tax credits and rebates), and so on and so forth, is what should be going on. There's lots of information all around us. — Mikie
I predict it will be really close again, and the fossil fuel party has a good chance of winning. The price of gas has gone up about $1.50 a gallon in the past five years, and there have been howls of despair. People want to combat climate change, but they don't want to sacrifice their standard of living while doing it. — RogueAI
People want to combat climate change, but they don't want to sacrifice their standard of living while doing it. — RogueAI
Marriage Counselor: "So Micky, I hear you saying you think Minnie is mentally... unstable?"
Micky. "I didn't say she was mentally unstable. I said she was fucking Goofy." — frank
If we could get fusion working that would help. — frank
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