Hey Agree: I hope that you will now review Mitloehner's article from U Cal that you referenced and reconsider your opposition to reducing biogenic methane emissions. — EricH
Bottom line: Fossil methane increases the total amount of carbon in the atmosphere, which drives warming. — Dr. Frank Mitloehner
As part of the biogenic carbon cycle, the carbon originally utilized by the plant is returned to the atmosphere contributing no net gain of CO2. — Dr. Frank Mitloehner
Cellulose content is particularly high in grasses and shrubs found on marginal lands, which are places where grains and other human edible crops cannot grow. Two-thirds of all agricultural land is marginal, full of cellulose dense grasses that are indigestible to humans. But guess who can digest cellulose? — Samantha Werth, CLEAR Center at UC Davis
They [cows] turn low-quality proteins [crops] from a human nutritional perspective into high-quality protein [beef and dairy] with a more balanced amino acid profile. — Pamela Tyers at CSIRO
It's axiomatic, isn't it, that a large scale operation (40K McDonald outlets) is more efficient than scattered small scale operations (40K coffee shops, diners, cafes, etc.). That doesn't make McDonald's good, from several perspectives, or the small scale operations bad. — BC
if I didn't know any better, I'd be inclined to think China rejects the science of climate change — Merkwurdichliebe
China is permitting the construction of about 2 coal power plants per week. — frank
if I didn't know any better, I'd be inclined to think China rejects the science of climate change
Well, Xi Jinping is a chemical engineer by training. — LuckyR
One possibility would be that scrubbing technology could be developed to make coal plants carbon neutral. But what incentive would make that economical? — frank
The incentive would be that we wouldn't need to inevitably fubar the grid and effectively cripple the economy by disintegrating coal plants. . . We either create that technology, or prepare for drastically diminished standards of living (excepting China of course). — Merkwurdichliebe
Trolls would have us do nothing about it, despite evidence/consensus of anthropogenic climate change, pollution, etc.We have not merely been given the world from our parents, we are also borrowing it from our children. — some African proverb I think
Anyone have solid/reliable numbers for
• amount of fossil fuel deposits (let's say oil and coal) — jorndoe
Think we can burn all this accumulated stuff (geological timeframe) in a century or two without noticeable effects...? — jorndoe
amount of fossil fuel deposits (let's say coal) — jorndoe
According to the Energy Information Administration (US gov): as of December 31, 2021, estimates of total world proved recoverable reserves of coal were about about 1.16 trillion short tons, and five countries had about 75% of the world's proved coal reserves.
amount of fossil fuel deposits (let's say oil) — jorndoe
Global consumption of oil is currently estimated at roughly 96.5 million barrels per day. According to OPEC, global demand is expected to reach 109 million barrels per day. Estimations vary slightly, but it is predicted that - if demand forecasts hold - we will run out of oil from known reserves in about 47 years. (2023 estimate)
Trolls would have us do nothing about it, despite evidence/consensus of anthropogenic climate change, pollution, etc. — jorndoe
Trolls would have us do nothing about it, despite evidence/consensus of anthropogenic climate change, pollution, etc. — jorndoe
China is permitting the construction of about 2 coal power plants per week. — frank
lots of people [...] are bitterly opposed to the level of change that is required — BC
I suspect that many people don't want to lower their standard of living despite the fact that there is evidence/consensus of anthropogenic climate change. — Agree-to-Disagree
I suspect that many people don't want to lower their standard of living despite the fact that there is evidence/consensus of anthropogenic climate change. — Agree-to-Disagree
I think they would if they felt everyone was doing it collectively, but we would need a strong world government to make that happen. — RogueAI
A dictatorship is an autocratic form of government which is characterized by a leader, or a group of leaders, who hold governmental powers with few to no limitations. Politics in a dictatorship are controlled by a dictator, and they are facilitated through an inner circle of elites that includes advisers, generals, and other high-ranking officials. — Wikipedia
Suppose, for the sake of argument, that anthropogenic climate change, pollution and all that is a red herring, but we still do something about it. What's the worst that could happen? Longer oil supply? Less plastic in the oceans? — jorndoe
A dictatorship is an autocratic form of government which is characterized by a leader, or a group of leaders, who hold governmental powers with few to no limitations. Politics in a dictatorship are controlled by a dictator, and they are facilitated through an inner circle of elites that includes advisers, generals, and other high-ranking officials.
— Wikipedia
Is that really what you want? — Agree-to-Disagree
If it accomplishes our goals whereas democracy, or in the case of the global political scene, anarchy, doesn't, then why not? — frank
If it accomplishes our goals whereas democracy, or in the case of the global political scene, anarchy, doesn't, then why not? — frank
Power corrupts; absolute power corrupts absolutely — Lord Acton (and others)
It's a cycle. Monarchy becomes corrupt and gives way to oligarchy (statesmen or clergymen), which become a burden on the people and gives way to democracy, which fails and gives way to monarchy. Over and over... — frank
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