gender is a social construct. — Bradaction
people don't 'choose' their gender identity. .. you are born like that. — Bradaction
How can one be born as a particular social construct? If a baby is born as a particular social construct then it ceases to be be only by their say that they are he/she/they/xe... If you're claiming that you simply are X, not that you chose to be X, then it must be possible for a third party to judge your gender. Someone could validly disagree with you about it. — Isaac
I'm saying objectively. In example, the post below. I think some of its BS, but I'll call you what ever you like; Subjectively, you have to consider how long or how some one met you. I know a lesbian named Kim I wouldn't call a woman but doesn't mind she. It takes a minute to learn at first, but an ounce of empathy and you can figure it out.Well that's reassuring. Pretty damning of my own intellect (or morals, depending on how charitable you're feeling), but at least everyone else is fine. — Isaac
Fair enough, I miss identified you as the OP and assumed the perspective was different, but made no indication of it. A lot of it is faking confusion for the sake of controversy. You are genuinely unable to grasp multiple genders across binary sexes?Nope. Could not make head nor tail of any of that. If English is your second language we could try to draw out what you're trying to say, if not, it's probably too late by now. — Isaac
No. I'm unable to grasp the the position I quoted in the actual post you seemed to be responding to. — Isaac
Yeah, except for the subject who may be themselves experiencing it. The burden on society is negligible relative to the contrived controversy manufactured from conservative social views. It's a position.The whole matter is under false context of causing anyone confusion — Cheshire
The pronouns under discussion are mostly used in the third person, or in other words, in conversations between others. I can understand the desire for others to refer to me in a manner of my choosing, but I cannot get past the notion of demanding others conform to my linguistic preferences. — NOS4A2
Yeah, except for the subject who may be themselves experiencing it. — Cheshire
The burden on society is negligible relative to the contrived controversy manufactured from conservative social views. — Cheshire
How other's talk about me is none of my business. — James Riley
There's a strong trend these days toward individualism and controlling one's identity in society is part of that, the Facebook page, the modified Instagram images....it's all toward creating a society of easily -defined individuals rather than of connections. — Isaac
This is a serious issue James Riley, the younger generation is suffering and the Boomers ignore their cries of pain/calls for reform. Denying someone's identity is tantamount to genocide — K Turner
This is going to take a long time. People gender each other from an early age and are gendered. It's at a level of learning much like grammar. IOW it is automatic. Like ducking when something is flying at your head. Certainly some people making mistakes may have conscious or unconscious intentions to not do what the other person wants. But in general, it can easily be something that we learned and made automatic. Imagine after driving for 20 years you get in a car where third gear is reached by some very odd movement with the stick. Pretty much everyone is going to mess up their clutches and that's with the threat of death in the air. Gendering habits occur much younger than those habits. They are deeply built in. I think a benefit of the doubt is in order. I mean, express irritation if you feel irritation. I am not saying everyone just has to suck it up. But this is very basic cultural habits and people are going to make repeated mistakes. And some of those people my even be much stronger allies than others who make the shift more easily.How much does the continuous usage of the incorrect pronouns suggest a large amount of transphobia and xenophobia within society, even if the circumstance, is unintentional, but continuous? — Bradaction
standing out in some way, good or bad. Being perceived as an individual was earned, not demanded. — James Riley
It makes me a bit leary, but this is why, I think, there's often an unholy confluence of old school socialists and right-leaning Hoover style rugged-individualists... Neither make good consumers. — Isaac
Gender-Neutrality is the lack of gendered terms, and given that these terms aren't gendered they would not need to be removed. — Bradaction
Perhaps over time it will come to be accepted. You're really young. Perhaps if you had a better understanding of what gay people have had to go through to get where they are today, it would give you a better perspective. — T Clark
Also, in the 'about' section the person is saying that they are 17 years old, and if this is true, then it may be an extremely difficult time. Of course, this is a philosophy forum and not a psychology self-help resource, but at the same time, I think that some sensitivity is important — Jack Cummins
Would a genderqueer person be diagnosed with gender dysphoria? It seems to me they wouldn't. — T Clark
So this is specifically about those "people who claim to be in support of the LGBTQIA+", but who don't get the pronouns right?As someone who identifies as non-binary, and understands that Gender is separate to Sex, it is astounding to me how people who claim to be in support of the LGBTQIA+ community continue to misgender and use incorrect pronouns. What is most concerning about this, is that it seems to be a systematic denial and refusal to accept Gender non-conforming people into society. — Bradaction
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