the least useful consisting of a paradoxical ‘relation’ of six-dimensional ‘meaningfulness’, and the most dynamic - and potentially confusing - a combination of ‘object’, ‘event’ and ‘potential’ (a differentiated triadic structure of 3-4-5). — Possibility
IIT is an interesting theoretical approach, but is firmly grounded in Cartesian dualism, and based on an assumption that it’s even possible to qualify consciousness as a consolidated event and then isolate it as a stable evaluation applicable to any interaction. — Possibility
You provide me with expressions of your consciousness, that contain integrated information about it, whilst rubbishing me and IIT, all the while your expressions prove you wrong. You have got to laugh? — Pop
Then when you stop laughing, you have got to come on board. Information is the way to link things. Think about it. — Pop
Information refers loosely to the variability in any interaction. — Possibility
"our model challenges prominent theories on philosophy of mind, which assume that consciousness is a continuous stream." - Time Slices: What Is the Duration of a Percept? — Pop
Why does it have to pertain to interactions? There's 8nformation associated with a particular photon whether it I teracts with anything else or not, right? — frank
You can predict information, sure - but until that photon interacts, you’re talking about potential information. — Possibility
This is the problem with talking about ‘information’ as if it has one qualitative definition. I could be referring to the object, event or potential when I use the term ‘information’ - how would you know? — Possibility
What do you think causes the information to integrate. You have described a process that might recognize a pattern and shunt it to an area that might symbolize it. But what do you think causes this to occur? — Pop
even though no answer can be given for “what is not information?” — Possibility
I gave you the obvious criticisms of ITT that were made even when Tononi first started going down that route. I remember the rubbishing and even some laughter during the coffee breaks at neuroscience conferences in the mid-1990s. — apokrisis
The reason information theory is useful to humans is that it allows us to atomise the notion of form just as classical mechanics allowed us to atomise the notion of masses and forces - or material and efficient causes — apokrisis
Wayfarer put me on to some excellent stuff from the Royal Society, — Pop
What do you think causes the information to integrate? — Pop
So, in the hypothetical scenario in which there exists only one thing, this lonely thing would be in its entirety pure information, is this correct.? — Daniel
Feldman Barrett’s constructionist theory, in which consciousness is constructed as an ongoing predictive event from incomplete, potential and affected ‘information’. — Possibility
I'm surprised how poorly understood the concept of integrated information is, given some of the queries, perhaps this needs a thread on it's own? — Pop
Information is excellent for this, but I don't yet fully understand it. There is a lot to understand. I feel there is quite a lot of "new" philosophical meat on offer, but perhaps this is just new to me. — Pop
This conclusion aligns with the Zeilinger paper posted earlier. And I think this is the broad direction understanding is headed towards. — Pop
Genes and proteins are not produced by spontaneous processes in living systems. They are produced by molecular machines that physically stick their subunits together and are therefore manufactured molecules, i.e.molecular artefacts. This in turn means that all biological structures are manufactured, and therefore that the whole of life is artefact-making
What is the source of order in the universe? That which integrates the Universe integrates us! — Pop
For the past decade or so, Friston has devoted much of his time and effort to developing an idea he calls the free energy principle. (Friston refers to his neuroimaging research as a day job, the way a jazz musician might refer to his shift at the local public library.) With this idea, Friston believes he has identified nothing less than the organizing principle of all life, and all intelligence as well. “If you are alive,” he sets out to answer, “what sorts of behaviors must you show?”
First the bad news: The free energy principle is maddeningly difficult to understand. So difficult, in fact, that entire rooms of very, very smart people have tried and failed to grasp it. A Twitter account2 with 3,000 followers exists simply to mock its opacity, and nearly every person I spoke with about it, including researchers whose work depends on it, told me they didn’t fully comprehend it.
what is required for information to be able to describe. — Daniel
It bears resemblance to the idea of the Logos, the Tao, Dharma - a principle of organisation which can only be discerned in its effects, never in its essence. — Wayfarer
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