Of course not. The Greek gods were once a fact. Not anymore!
Shitty shitty BANG BANG! — Nosferatu
So... A fact is only true when embedded in a frame. Gods frames are absent now. Xenophanes assured that. The MFer... — Nosferatu
Not for me. My gods reside outside the universe. Maybe they can interact with us by means of hidden variables (a fact!), but I would be very disappointed if they did! — Nosferatu
This reminds me of Pickering: "Constructing Quarks". — Nosferatu
One GOD is all that's left. Luckily there are some Aboriginals left. They know. — Nosferatu
It's prominent on my disordered shell. I used the book for my scription: "forms of realism". I was surprised to find it on the table at the professor's (Radder) office. — Nosferatu
I delivered it... — Nosferatu
Don't underestimate Radder. He has his very own take on reality. Even wrote a book about it. It couldn't prevent his public demise though. — Nosferatu
Excuse me? — Nosferatu
I love your constitution — Nosferatu
Ohoooh. My wife just woke up. Now that's a philosophical problem! I look for the link. — Nosferatu
I agree that a fact is a statement. You aver it's a true statement but you have no standard for truth. — tim wood
Is that avatar of yours dr. Strangelove? "Wollt euch den totalen Krieg? Mhihihih..." Great movie! All of Kubrick. — Nosferatu
perhaps you are asking when a statement ought be believed. There is no general answer to that question. — Banno
...determine... — Olivier5
Janus and Banno are arguing from the point of view of God, while you and I are arguing from a pragmatic human POV. Hence the disagreement. The moment they realize that they are not God, they will understand that facts can only be established by us humans via some evidence... — Olivier5
The moment they realize that they are not God, they will understand that facts can only be established by us humans via some evidence... — Olivier5
If you don't acknowledge that some of what are generally taken to be facts may in fact not be [facts], then I don't know what else to say to you except "keep digging". — Janus
Yep; that's exactly why empiricism tries to militarise the term, as can be seen in this thread. Athena may have. a desire to take advantage of that process in her discussions with her nephew. Denying a distinction between belief and truth might look like a good move, but it plays into the hands of those who would peddle bullshit; identifying bullshit relies on identifying a difference between what is true and what someone believes. — Banno
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