I think physical stuff is all there is. Including thoughts, imagination, etc. If certain configurations of physical stuff lead to mind, then physical stuff is richer than we initially think. — Manuel
So, the only thing I can say, other than I don't really know, is that physical stuff has exquisite malleability given certain parameters. — Manuel
So if it's already a potential in matter, why postulate something "extra — Manuel
1) Intuition has nothing to do with common sense. Intuition is the ability to understand something instinctively, without the need for conscious reasoning.I have in mind our ordinary commonsense intuitions in which we think of ourselves as having a mind and a body. — Manuel
But it is exactly about belief that I'm talking. And what I discribed shows a big conflict in one's beliefs: a body w/o spirit and then spirit leaving the body. We don't know which belief of the two is stronger. This is not important. What is important is that there is a possibility they actually believe there's a spirit which is connected to a body. Isn't that right?This is very closely related to one's beliefs. — Manuel
This might also be the case, i.e. the belief about the spirit leaving the body is not real or strong, but it is just an emotional reaction to the loss. Yet, this doesn't change what I am describing above and have also described earlier.this is a way of coping and behaving — Manuel
This is quite reasonable, since we have no sound evidences about the truth of that.Much like I don't think a person is anywhere before they are born. — Manuel
Ok, I am not my body. — Richard B
I see. So, you are just spreading venom with your baseless criticism and also in wasting people's time.I don’t see any profit in repeating anything. — Mww
Nothing. An exclamation mark can indicate a lot of things other than "bad"!What's so bad about being your body (you put an exclamation mark behind your statement that we're not our body!)? — Thunderballs
(Wow! I think I have overdone it! — Alkis Piskas
Yes, you can say that. Something like "Linsten guys!" ... But not as if I was dictating it or something. It is so evident to me that I am not a body that I tried to pass this belief to others who believe they are bodies. But this has a story behind it.It is there to pay attention? — Thunderballs
I knew a guy once, maybe 30-40 years before you were even born, — Mww
OK about the mind, but do you need intuition or even thinking to just observe your body and be aware of the fact that you have a body and of your body itself? — Alkis Piskas
What is important is that there is a possibility they actually believe there's a spirit which is connected to a body. Isn't that right? — Alkis Piskas
I agree. There's certainly no substantial issue, since people live with the same beliefs confortably for eons! Lucky ones, they don't care about philosophical issues! :grin:beyond that, I don't see any substantial issue, unless someone wants to speak of dualism, which is fine. — Manuel
What is important is that there is a possibility they actually believe there's a spirit which is connected to a body. — Alkis Piskas
and its doctrine of no-self. — praxis
As to bodies not having an unchanging essence, neither do selves (or even souls) require an existentially unchanging essence in order to be — javra
The butterfly tattoe on my left arm is a pretty unchanging essence. — Thunderballs
I’m pretty sure that most Buddhists don’t claim to be their bodies. — praxis
You may be referring to the tattoos overall form, but given sufficient time that too will change. — javra
… like pointing out that water is not dry. — javra
Except when it's not (as when frozen), of course. :razz: — praxis
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